Pitino and Iona

[quote="BrooklynRed" post=382077]Rick should have stayed in the NBA where the players get their own strippers and the sneaker companies pay the players in the open. When he is successful at Iona, he will be going on to a Major college. As Iona is using him to advance their profile, Rick is using them to get his next job on a BIG stage.[/quote]
Some of you people are so high and mighty. Especially as st John's violated rules and PAID keita under Jarvis. And I wouldn't be surprised if there were others so dont throw stones at Pitino when you live in a glass house. I wish we had him. I'm tired of losing for 20 years
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=382084]We are not a win at any cost program, never have been and hopefully never will be.

I'd rather have our record playing by the rules than the stuff Rick allowed in his programs that we know about, no less the things we don't.

If Rick doesn't understand why St. John's didn't call him, that's really one reason why he'd never fit in here[/quote]

Win at any cost? How about winning. When I attended ski in the 60's we had the 3rd most wins. I think only kansas and kentucky had more. Oh how the mighty have fallen. I would have taken Pitino in a second. We blew it last year. We mind as well join the Atlantic 10
 
Yes, it is true that a lot of schools probably pay players so Pitino is no better or worse that other coaches.

However, anyone who would have sex with a supposed friend and subordinate's wife on a table in a restaurant has absolutely no moral integrity and should not be placed in a position where he is a Role Model to young men.

I have absolutely no idea how any rational thinking person can defend Pitino's behavior in this instance. If he was your friend, and she was your wife, would you want him coaching your son???
 
[quote="MCNPA" post=382089]Let’s not pretend his “greatness” on the sidelines wasn’t in a huge way augmented by his cheating. His UK and Louisville teams were all with purchased talent, lots of McD’s AA’s. Talent wins ball games and Pitino is one of the best cheaters of all time who got nabbed.
One needs to look at Panther’s comments as a guy who has been around nyc basketball for a long time. This master tactician was propped up for most of his coaching years on booster-bought top talent.[/quote]

Disagree with your premise but that’s not that point. Notwithstanding his tarnished reputation, Pitino is a legend. Even at Iona he’ll have no trouble recruiting top players. Kids will want to play for him. He has a track a track record of sending kids to the NBA and, with few exceptions, that’s all that matters to kids.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=382084]We are not a win at any cost program, never have been and hopefully never will be.

I'd rather have our record playing by the rules than the stuff Rick allowed in his programs that we know about, no less the things we don't.

If Rick doesn't understand why St. John's didn't call him, that's really one reason why he'd never fit in here[/quote]

Iona is not a win at all cost school either.

Give me a break with this nonsense.
 
[quote="Boo Harvey" post=382094][quote="MCNPA" post=382089]Let’s not pretend his “greatness” on the sidelines wasn’t in a huge way augmented by his cheating. His UK and Louisville teams were all with purchased talent, lots of McD’s AA’s. Talent wins ball games and Pitino is one of the best cheaters of all time who got nabbed.
One needs to look at Panther’s comments as a guy who has been around nyc basketball for a long time. This master tactician was propped up for most of his coaching years on booster-bought top talent.[/quote]

Disagree with your premise but that’s not that point. Notwithstanding his tarnished reputation, Pitino is a legend. Even at Iona he’ll have no trouble recruiting top players. Kids will want to play for him. He has a track a track record of sending kids to the NBA and, with few exceptions, that’s all that matters to kids.[/quote]

Yes. Totally slanderous to say he bought all of his kids btw.

Go look at his 2010-11 Louisville team that went 12-6 lost BE Tourney final and got a 4 seed in NCAAs. Seriously go look at that roster. It is straight up one of the great coaching jobs you will ever see.
 
[quote="panther2" post=382093]Yes, it is true that a lot of schools probably pay players so Pitino is no better or worse that other coaches.

However, anyone who would have sex with a supposed friend and subordinate's wife on a table in a restaurant has absolutely no moral integrity and should not be placed in a position where he is a Role Model to young men.

I have absolutely no idea how any rational thinking person can defend Pitino's behavior in this instance. If he was your friend, and she was your wife, would you want him coaching your son???[/quote]

The moral argument to me is stronger than the cheating stuff. And most schools would have fired that coach with cause. The only reason he survived is because he is Rick Pitino and he is a legend.

The "defending" him is nonsense. That is a straw man argument no one is defending him. Choosing to give him another shot while you and others would not is not the equivalent of defending his prior bad acts.
 
[quote="fordham96" post=382098][quote="Beast of the East" post=382084]We are not a win at any cost program, never have been and hopefully never will be.

I'd rather have our record playing by the rules than the stuff Rick allowed in his programs that we know about, no less the things we don't.

If Rick doesn't understand why St. John's didn't call him, that's really one reason why he'd never fit in here[/quote]

Iona is not a win at all cost school either.

Give me a break with this nonsense.[/quote]

They are now.
 
[quote="fordham96" post=382102][quote="panther2" post=382093]Yes, it is true that a lot of schools probably pay players so Pitino is no better or worse that other coaches.

However, anyone who would have sex with a supposed friend and subordinate's wife on a table in a restaurant has absolutely no moral integrity and should not be placed in a position where he is a Role Model to young men.

I have absolutely no idea how any rational thinking person can defend Pitino's behavior in this instance. If he was your friend, and she was your wife, would you want him coaching your son???[/quote]

The moral argument to me is stronger than the cheating stuff. And most schools would have fired that coach with cause. The only reason he survived is because he is Rick Pitino and he is a legend.

The "defending" him is nonsense. That is a straw man argument no one is defending him. Choosing to give him another shot while you and others would not is not the equivalent of defending his prior bad acts.[/quote]


Another reason that I feel he does not deserve another shot, is what he allowed to happen to Andre McGee who started as a GA at Louisville. He was the GA and DOB while the stripper stuff was going on. No way does he have the money to finance this. Pitino claiming ignorance just does not fly.

I am not against giving someone a second or even third chance, when they own their behavior. Pitino has not done this. Allowing him to coach college basketball again, just reinforces that his behavior is acceptable as long as he wins.
 
[quote="fordham96" post=382098][quote="Beast of the East" post=382084]We are not a win at any cost program, never have been and hopefully never will be.

I'd rather have our record playing by the rules than the stuff Rick allowed in his programs that we know about, no less the things we don't.

If Rick doesn't understand why St. John's didn't call him, that's really one reason why he'd never fit in here[/quote]

Iona is not a win at all cost school either.

Give me a break with this nonsense.[/quote]

It's not nonsense to say st. John's, nor likely any big conference program, would hire him.

Iona will take heat. They are hiring him because they would never have chance to hire a guy like that unless he was severely tarnished, which Pitino is.

Even with Cluess' anazing success they weren't a nationally ranked team.

They are making a deal with the devil to get there and they know it.
 
[quote="tom bradley" post=381948]Come on we kept him close to home!!! Look for Iona to move to AAC !! 4 years final 4 team!! Done the right way!! I tried but some idiots in the admin didnt want someone larger than they were!![/quote]

Pitino will be celebrating his new job with a dinner and dessert at an Italian restaurant

I'm married...so I'll skip the "dessert".
 
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Mullin/Anderson are great faces for the team. Guys you could root for. Pitino isn't in that category. That being said...Anderson will never get us to a final four. Iona will get there with Pitino coaching.

Our task of luring quality recruits here have taken two hits...Pitino and allowing slimeball UCONN into the conference. They've burned us before (Henefeld/Wiggins to name two) and they'll do it again.
 
This is a done deal. We could argue forever about whether or not he deserves this chance, whether Iona made a deal with the devil, whether or not he should mentoring young men, etc etc. The reality is he is now Iona’s head coach.

The biggest question on my mind, and concern, quite honestly, is: Will he get Iona to a Final Four before us? Like him or not, agree with this hire or not, he will be a force to be reckoned with here.
 
[quote="panther2" post=382111][quote="fordham96" post=382102][quote="panther2" post=382093]Yes, it is true that a lot of schools probably pay players so Pitino is no better or worse that other coaches.

However, anyone who would have sex with a supposed friend and subordinate's wife on a table in a restaurant has absolutely no moral integrity and should not be placed in a position where he is a Role Model to young men.

I have absolutely no idea how any rational thinking person can defend Pitino's behavior in this instance. If he was your friend, and she was your wife, would you want him coaching your son???[/quote]

The moral argument to me is stronger than the cheating stuff. And most schools would have fired that coach with cause. The only reason he survived is because he is Rick Pitino and he is a legend.

The "defending" him is nonsense. That is a straw man argument no one is defending him. Choosing to give him another shot while you and others would not is not the equivalent of defending his prior bad acts.[/quote]


Another reason that I feel he does not deserve another shot, is what he allowed to happen to Andre McGee who started as a GA at Louisville. He was the GA and DOB while the stripper stuff was going on. No way does he have the money to finance this. Pitino claiming ignorance just does not fly.

I am not against giving someone a second or even third chance, when they own their behavior. Pitino has not done this. Allowing him to coach college basketball again, just reinforces that his behavior is acceptable as long as he wins.[/quote]

Agree Panther, but if he owned everything he’s done, then he’d likely be in jail and divorced, amongst other things. He’d also never sniff a college coaching job again. Besides, usually the only time the high and mIghty admit wrongdoing is for their own benefit. So chances of Rick even saying “I made some mistakes” is probably pretty slim. So far I’m thrilled with what CMA has brought to this program. I still say we made the right hire.
 
[quote="Monte" post=382122][quote="panther2" post=382111][quote="fordham96" post=382102][quote="panther2" post=382093]Yes, it is true that a lot of schools probably pay players so Pitino is no better or worse that other coaches.

However, anyone who would have sex with a supposed friend and subordinate's wife on a table in a restaurant has absolutely no moral integrity and should not be placed in a position where he is a Role Model to young men.

I have absolutely no idea how any rational thinking person can defend Pitino's behavior in this instance. If he was your friend, and she was your wife, would you want him coaching your son???[/quote]

The moral argument to me is stronger than the cheating stuff. And most schools would have fired that coach with cause. The only reason he survived is because he is Rick Pitino and he is a legend.

The "defending" him is nonsense. That is a straw man argument no one is defending him. Choosing to give him another shot while you and others would not is not the equivalent of defending his prior bad acts.[/quote]


Another reason that I feel he does not deserve another shot, is what he allowed to happen to Andre McGee who started as a GA at Louisville. He was the GA and DOB while the stripper stuff was going on. No way does he have the money to finance this. Pitino claiming ignorance just does not fly.

I am not against giving someone a second or even third chance, when they own their behavior. Pitino has not done this. Allowing him to coach college basketball again, just reinforces that his behavior is acceptable as long as he wins.[/quote]

Agree Panther, but if he owned everything he’s done, then he’d likely be in jail and divorced, amongst other things. He’d also never sniff a college coaching job again. Besides, usually the only time the high and mIghty admit wrongdoing is for their own benefit. So chances of Rick even saying “I made some mistakes” is probably pretty slim. So far I’m thrilled with what CMA has brought to this program. I still say we made the right hire.[/quote]

He just named Simon Cowas an assistant.
 
[quote="panther2" post=382093]Yes, it is true that a lot of schools probably pay players so Pitino is no better or worse that other coaches.

However, anyone who would have sex with a supposed friend and subordinate's wife on a table in a restaurant has absolutely no moral integrity and should not be placed in a position where he is a Role Model to young men.

I have absolutely no idea how any rational thinking person can defend Pitino's behavior in this instance. If he was your friend, and she was your wife, would you want him coaching your son???[/quote]
Not defending his behavior just correcting a fact. Women involved in restaurant incident was not married to his assistant at time of incident.
 
[quote="MCNPA" post=382089]Let’s not pretend his “greatness” on the sidelines wasn’t in a huge way augmented by his cheating. His UK and Louisville teams were all with purchased talent, lots of McD’s AA’s. Talent wins ball games and Pitino is one of the best cheaters of all time who got nabbed.
One needs to look at Panther’s comments as a guy who has been around nyc basketball for a long time. This master tactician was propped up for most of his coaching years on booster-bought top talent.[/quote]
Actually this is somewhat of a misconception as RP is more known for doing more with less than most blue blood program ala Bob Knight at Indiana.
 
[quote="bamafan" post=382127][quote="MCNPA" post=382089]Let’s not pretend his “greatness” on the sidelines wasn’t in a huge way augmented by his cheating. His UK and Louisville teams were all with purchased talent, lots of McD’s AA’s. Talent wins ball games and Pitino is one of the best cheaters of all time who got nabbed.
One needs to look at Panther’s comments as a guy who has been around nyc basketball for a long time. This master tactician was propped up for most of his coaching years on booster-bought top talent.[/quote]
Actually this is somewhat of a misconception as RP is more known for doing more with less than most blue blood program ala Bob Knight at Indiana.[/quote]

That's the thing they seem to forget.
 
[quote="newsman13" post=382117]Mullin/Anderson are great faces for the team. Guys you could root for. Pitino isn't in that category. That being said...Anderson will never get us to a final four. Iona will get there with Pitino coaching.

Our task of luring quality recruits here have taken two hits...Pitino and allowing slimeball UCONN into the conference. They've burned us before (Henefeld/Wiggins to name two) and they'll do it again.[/quote]

You named 2 guys in the last 50 years. There was also Sid Wilson. Didn’t remember them stealing Henefeld from us, and anyhow Higgins didn’t amount to anything. And didn’t we grab Harkless from them? Something tells me it’s not going to be so easy to pry kids from CMA. I’m not particularly worried. We’ll get our kids.
 
[quote="Monte" post=382129][quote="newsman13" post=382117]Mullin/Anderson are great faces for the team. Guys you could root for. Pitino isn't in that category. That being said...Anderson will never get us to a final four. Iona will get there with Pitino coaching.

Our task of luring quality recruits here have taken two hits...Pitino and allowing slimeball UCONN into the conference. They've burned us before (Henefeld/Wiggins to name two) and they'll do it again.[/quote]

You named 2 guys in the last 50 years. There was also Sid Wilson. Didn’t remember them stealing Henefeld from us, and anyhow Higgins didn’t amount to anything. And didn’t we grab Harkless from them? Something tells me it’s not going to be so easy to pry kids from CMA. I’m not particularly worried. We’ll get our kids.[/quote]

Agree Monte, when it comes to getting our kids. But IMHO, UCONN is still a slimeball school. ;-)
 
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