I agree w Jack. when Sanchez was in ,their bigs killed us on the inside. Gift played ok D , but you can always count on him to bobble the ball and the opposing team ending up w it. It was Evident how Valuable Co was. We played very sloppy. But a win is a win, and w each passing game our tourney hopes are becoming more realistic.
Official Seton Hall Game Thread
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The fact that obekpa got two early fouls played a big factor in us going down early. It's amazing he went from being an offensive liability to the go to guy with the game on the line.
So, with all the criticism of Lavin for the non-development of players early in the season, does he now get credit for the development of CO? And not directed at you, Jack.
Just askin'.....
So, with all the criticism of Lavin for the non-development of players early in the season, does he now get credit for the development of CO? And not directed at you, Jack.
Just askin'.....
I was discussing this very thing with my dad, he said he doesn't know who has been working with obekpa, but whoever has deserves a lot of credit. And props to Chris for taking what he has learned and utilizing it in a game, some players don't do that.
If it was Lavin who worked with obekpa, I give him a lot of credit.
@DickieV: St John 's started 0-5 in Big East take a look now - have won 6/7 in league play - making a STRONG run 4 The big dance - @SJUCoachLavin
No, I want him to stand completely still on the three point line with his hands out expecting a pass. I'm mean, there is only an 89% chance he'll miss the shot if he's passed the ball. If he doesn't shoot, he can use his awesome handle to drive to the basket. It's a win-win.
Something crazy happens when a player drives...other defenders tend to vacate their place on the floor to "help." When they do, space opens up, and "slashing" wing types are expected to find good angles to the basket for either a pass or an offensive rebound. Here is a video of SJU v. Duke from 98/99. Fast forward to 7:18 through 7:48, then go to 51:54 to see the difference between Postell and Dom. If you really want to experience Postell...go to the 1:04:26 mark. Funny how he doesn't sit on the perimeter while his teammates drive? It makes it pretty easy to see why he had 108 offensive rebounds that year and Dom has TWELVE for us this year...why Postell had a rebounding pct. of 11.4 and Dom is at 2.4 this year.
Ummm...they were in a 2-3 zone defense. You do know what that is, right? Whether Dom moves or not, the wing in the 2-3 is going to rotate to the man driving with the ball. Also, this notion of Dom being defended is cute and all, but the reality is that Dom hasn't been defended for weeks. He gets token respect once in a while where his man is 5-7 feet off him. A lot of times they could care less about him. He's the last guy in the country you have to worry about back-dooring you...he doesn't cut, screen, or even move.
Are you picturing Dom running into the way of the player driving? I'm not sure how else you could see this. When a player drives baseline, someone should always cut to the paint. When someone drives from the wing, it's always a good idea to get to the weakside tin...especially if you lose your man. We don't need Dom to be a safety valve. We have three top 50 guards and Phil Greene.
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Awesome pass, fantastic win! These guys now know how to close under pressure. Bring on Georgetown!
It's funny because it isn't 100% consensus, but a lot of coaches love the bounce pass, because to get it by defenders it's naturally a lot lower. It also bounces up to the recipient making it easy to catch and shoot. Some coaches like an aerial pass, the old fashioned chest pass, because it gets there faster. Obviously the circumstance should rule. In this case, the bounce pass was perfectly executed.
Teammates are going to begin to realize that if they cut and get open, then Rysheed will find them. That, along with his exuberance, was the change the Magic Johnson brought to the Lakers. If you are open, if you cut, you'd better be ready for a pass, because he will find you.
BTW that should have been an intentional foul. There was no play on the ball just an intentional shove on the back.
From wiki (not the best source)
In basketball, a flagrant foul is a serious personal foul. A foul is considered flagrant when it involves excessive or violent contact which could injure the fouled player. It is distinct from an intentional foul, which is a tactic permitted within the game as long as the foul is not considered flagrant.
obviously intentional fouls are committed all the time to extend games but when a guy is going up for a layup or dunk and is shoved in the back that is different then fouling a guy in the backcourt and Obepka did take a pretty good fall.
According to the NCAA rule book, a Flagrant 1 foul occurs when a player "swings an elbow and makes non-excessive contact with an opponent above the shoulders."
so for future reference you don't need to make a play on the ball when a guy is going up for a dunk? A push in the back is fine?
Just let it go! We won the game. People on this board will find a reason to complain about anything!! They called a foul, what more did you want? There is no way a ref is going to call an intentional foul in favor of the road team in a tied game with 1.5seconds left. Also, because of where the ref who made the call was positioned, he was seeing Obekpa going up and then his man on his back. There is a good chance that he didn't even see the push in the back. The only ref that could have seen it was the one out on the perimeter, and he certainly wasn't going to overturn his buddy.
http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebask.../94006/time-for-the-seasons-closing-arguments
St. John’s could have been the biggest winner of the night simply by avoiding a bad loss. The Red Storm are trying to make a late charge into the NCAA tournament. They’ve won seven of their past eight games with the only loss a 63-60 heartbreaker to Creighton.
Their 68-67 win at Seton Hall came down to a 40.7 percent free throw shooter giving them the lead with 2.1 seconds left.
Center Chris Obekpa not only delivered the game-winning point in the clutch, he then swatted the ensuing inbounds pass that ran the clock down to 0.1 seconds, ensuring the Pirates would not have enough time to get a shot off.
St. John’s first win at Seton Hall since Feb. 15, 1998 came with great timing. It allowed the Red Storm to pull to .500 in the Big East and, more important, keeps their tournament hopes alive.
St. John’s could have been the biggest winner of the night simply by avoiding a bad loss. The Red Storm are trying to make a late charge into the NCAA tournament. They’ve won seven of their past eight games with the only loss a 63-60 heartbreaker to Creighton.
Their 68-67 win at Seton Hall came down to a 40.7 percent free throw shooter giving them the lead with 2.1 seconds left.
Center Chris Obekpa not only delivered the game-winning point in the clutch, he then swatted the ensuing inbounds pass that ran the clock down to 0.1 seconds, ensuring the Pirates would not have enough time to get a shot off.
St. John’s first win at Seton Hall since Feb. 15, 1998 came with great timing. It allowed the Red Storm to pull to .500 in the Big East and, more important, keeps their tournament hopes alive.
beast of the east
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I was taken to task when I said it didn't feel good right after the game. I had a knot in my stomach. I agree we played poorly and came away with a W, and that's what good teams do when they don't play well. Good post.
Too bad, but from what I've read in a number of threads on this forum, insider information has it that both guys involved in this play -- CO and Lawrence -- will be transferring at the end of year. Hmm. Keep wondering where they'll both end up.
WTF?
Sarcasm, TIS, sarcasm.
beast of the east
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So, with all the criticism of Lavin for the non-development of players early in the season, does he now get credit for the development of CO? And not directed at you, Jack.
Just askin'.....
I was discussing this very thing with my dad, he said he doesn't know who has been working with obekpa, but whoever has deserves a lot of credit. And props to Chris for taking what he has learned and utilizing it in a game, some players don't do that.
If it was Lavin who worked with obekpa, I give him a lot of credit.
As was noted very early in the season, Obekpa's improvement offensively was appreciable vs. grade B competition. As the season progressed, when we played top notch front lines, he looked pretty ineffective offensively. He still looks very mechanical, and shows an awful lot of ball when he goes up, the reason his own shots get blocked by agile defensive players once or twice a game. But all in all, a vast improvement, and I think he will continue develop to the point where he is a reasonable option even against competent front lines.
JackofVirginia
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I have to give a lot of credit to Lavin. After each game whether he wins or loses he always looks to say something to the opposing coach. Watch most coaches like Thompson who can't be bothered.
MBoutchatski
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I could def see why that would annoy coaches, especially after they lost. Playing college baseball the last thing i wanted to do after a loss was shake the hands of the opposing team and have a convo.
JackofVirginia
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What happened to slapping the ball before throwing the out of bounds pass?
beast of the east
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I'm telling you something, for the guys here who want a win at all costs coach. After reading about his assistant coach deal, I can't even stand to look at the guy without getting disgusted. I want to win badly here, but I don't want a dirty coach on the sideline.
