Off Season Tidbits

[quote="Paultzman" post=400317]David Cain could pass the rock, shame it took so long for him to get minutes;[/quote]
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Jason Buchanan was also a pretty good player.

Apparently Coach C thought that Jason was a better player.
 
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[quote="otis" post=400636][quote="Paultzman" post=400317]David Cain could pass the rock, shame it took so long for him to get minutes;[/quote]
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Jason Buchanan was also a pretty good player.

Apparently Coach C thought that Jason was a better player.[/quote]

Cain didn't show much his first two full years, but by mid junior year, ht had turned the corner. Jason was a senior that year and it was probably Jason B's. worst stretch.
 
[quote="SJU85" post=400857][quote="otis" post=400636][quote="Paultzman" post=400317]David Cain could pass the rock, shame it took so long for him to get minutes;[/quote]
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Jason Buchanan was also a pretty good player.

Apparently Coach C thought that Jason was a better player.[/quote]

Cain didn't show much his first two full years, but by mid junior year, ht had turned the corner. Jason was a senior that year and it was probably Jason B's. worst stretch.[/quote]


It was so weird.
As good a senior season as Cain had in 93 is as disappointing a season as Buchanan had in 92.
And they were totally different players.
Cain was deceptively fast, had great floor vision but couldn't shoot beyond 15" and (until his senior year) was a turnover machine.
Buchanan was really a 2G thrust into the PG spot, couldn't really penetrate and was extremely conservative with the ball, which Louie loved, and had a decent outside J (except for Sr year).
 
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[quote="MainMan" post=400858]
Cain was deceptively fast, had great floor vision but couldn't shoot beyond 15" and (until his senior year) was a turnover machine.
Buchanan was really a 2G thrust into the PG spot, couldn't really penetrate and was extremely conservative with the ball, which Louie loved, and had a decent outside J (except for Sr year).[/quote]

accurate
 
[quote="Paul Massell" post=400862][quote="MainMan" post=400858]
Cain was deceptively fast, had great floor vision but couldn't shoot beyond 15" and (until his senior year) was a turnover machine.
Buchanan was really a 2G thrust into the PG spot, couldn't really penetrate and was extremely conservative with the ball, which Louie loved, and had a decent outside J (except for Sr year).[/quote]

accurate[/quote]

I thought Cain turned the corner midway through his junior year (people in my section referred to him as "David turnover"), but even with that change, I don't know who saw what he did as a Senior coming, not based on his history. And you are so right about JB's senior year, I don't think anyone saw him being that bad either (good freshman year, so-so sophomore year but Boo was back and running the point, really good junior year and what the hell happened(?) senior year).
 
[quote="SJU85" post=400864][quote="Paul Massell" post=400862][quote="MainMan" post=400858]
Cain was deceptively fast, had great floor vision but couldn't shoot beyond 15" and (until his senior year) was a turnover machine.
Buchanan was really a 2G thrust into the PG spot, couldn't really penetrate and was extremely conservative with the ball, which Louie loved, and had a decent outside J (except for Sr year).[/quote]

accurate[/quote]

I thought Cain turned the corner midway through his junior year (people in my section referred to him as "David turnover"), but even with that change, I don't know who saw what he did as a Senior coming, not based on his history. And you are so right about JB's senior year, I don't think anyone saw him being that bad either (good freshman year, so-so sophomore year but Boo was back and running the point, really good junior year and what the hell happened(?) senior year).[/quote]

I've never seen a team depend so much on one player (including Marcus Hatten) as that 92 team depended on Malik for everything.
A large part of it was Buchanan's regression, Werdann getting hurt, Sproling still playing scared and no one really stepping up to replace Billy Singleton.
Such a disappointment from the Elite 8 run the prior year.
 
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[quote="MainMan" post=400865][quote="SJU85" post=400864][quote="Paul Massell" post=400862][quote="MainMan" post=400858]
Cain was deceptively fast, had great floor vision but couldn't shoot beyond 15" and (until his senior year) was a turnover machine.
Buchanan was really a 2G thrust into the PG spot, couldn't really penetrate and was extremely conservative with the ball, which Louie loved, and had a decent outside J (except for Sr year).[/quote]

accurate[/quote]

I thought Cain turned the corner midway through his junior year (people in my section referred to him as "David turnover"), but even with that change, I don't know who saw what he did as a Senior coming, not based on his history. And you are so right about JB's senior year, I don't think anyone saw him being that bad either (good freshman year, so-so sophomore year but Boo was back and running the point, really good junior year and what the hell happened(?) senior year).[/quote]

I've never seen a team depend so much on one player (including Marcus Hatten) as that 92 team depended on Malik for everything.
A large part of it was Buchanan's regression, Werdann getting hurt, Sproling still playing scared and no one really stepping up to replace Billy Singleton.
Such a disappointment from the Elite 8 run the prior year.[/quote]

HUGE disappointment :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:
 
[quote="MainMan" post=400858][quote="SJU85" post=400857][quote="otis" post=400636][quote="Paultzman" post=400317]David Cain could pass the rock, shame it took so long for him to get minutes;[/quote]
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Jason Buchanan was also a pretty good player.

Apparently Coach C thought that Jason was a better player.[/quote]

Cain didn't show much his first two full years, but by mid junior year, ht had turned the corner. Jason was a senior that year and it was probably Jason B's. worst stretch.[/quote]


It was so weird.
As good a senior season as Cain had in 93 is as disappointing a season as Buchanan had in 92.
And they were totally different players.
Cain was deceptively fast, had great floor vision but couldn't shoot beyond 15" and (until his senior year) was a turnover machine.
Buchanan was really a 2G thrust into the PG spot, couldn't really penetrate and was extremely conservative with the ball, which Louie loved, and had a decent outside J (except for Sr year).[/quote]

Buchanan was absolutely not a two guard. In fact, he struggled mightily when he was forced to play that position his Sophomore year when Boo Harvey resumed the position.
 
[quote="MainMan" post=400865][quote="SJU85" post=400864][quote="Paul Massell" post=400862][quote="MainMan" post=400858]
Cain was deceptively fast, had great floor vision but couldn't shoot beyond 15" and (until his senior year) was a turnover machine.
Buchanan was really a 2G thrust into the PG spot, couldn't really penetrate and was extremely conservative with the ball, which Louie loved, and had a decent outside J (except for Sr year).[/quote]

accurate[/quote]

I thought Cain turned the corner midway through his junior year (people in my section referred to him as "David turnover"), but even with that change, I don't know who saw what he did as a Senior coming, not based on his history. And you are so right about JB's senior year, I don't think anyone saw him being that bad either (good freshman year, so-so sophomore year but Boo was back and running the point, really good junior year and what the hell happened(?) senior year).[/quote]

I've never seen a team depend so much on one player (including Marcus Hatten) as that 92 team depended on Malik for everything.
A large part of it was Buchanan's regression, Werdann getting hurt, Sproling still playing scared and no one really stepping up to replace Billy Singleton.
Such a disappointment from the Elite 8 run the prior year.[/quote]

Every time the Johnnies were on TV during that time, the announcers made reference to Sproling once scoring 74 points in a high school game in Colorado.

It seemed like he scored about 74 points in his entire career at St John's. He was never able to live up to the hype in college.
 
[quote="MarkRedman" post=401027][quote="MainMan" post=400865][quote="SJU85" post=400864][quote="Paul Massell" post=400862][quote="MainMan" post=400858]
Cain was deceptively fast, had great floor vision but couldn't shoot beyond 15" and (until his senior year) was a turnover machine.
Buchanan was really a 2G thrust into the PG spot, couldn't really penetrate and was extremely conservative with the ball, which Louie loved, and had a decent outside J (except for Sr year).[/quote]

accurate[/quote]

I thought Cain turned the corner midway through his junior year (people in my section referred to him as "David turnover"), but even with that change, I don't know who saw what he did as a Senior coming, not based on his history. And you are so right about JB's senior year, I don't think anyone saw him being that bad either (good freshman year, so-so sophomore year but Boo was back and running the point, really good junior year and what the hell happened(?) senior year).[/quote]

I've never seen a team depend so much on one player (including Marcus Hatten) as that 92 team depended on Malik for everything.
A large part of it was Buchanan's regression, Werdann getting hurt, Sproling still playing scared and no one really stepping up to replace Billy Singleton.
Such a disappointment from the Elite 8 run the prior year.[/quote]

Every time the Johnnies were on TV during that time, the announcers made reference to Sproling once scoring 74 points in a high school game in Colorado.

It seemed like he scored about 74 points in his entire career at St John's. He was never able to live up to the hype in college.[/quote]

He was billed as a great three point shooter but never lived up to that. I also thought James Scott was a disappointment (played on the Lopez teams). If memory serves me correctly, there was a lot of hype surround him coming out of JC.
 
[quote="Boo Harvey" post=401026][quote="MainMan" post=400858][quote="SJU85" post=400857][quote="otis" post=400636][quote="Paultzman" post=400317]David Cain could pass the rock, shame it took so long for him to get minutes;[/quote]
-----------------

Jason Buchanan was also a pretty good player.

Apparently Coach C thought that Jason was a better player.[/quote]

Cain didn't show much his first two full years, but by mid junior year, ht had turned the corner. Jason was a senior that year and it was probably Jason B's. worst stretch.[/quote]


It was so weird.
As good a senior season as Cain had in 93 is as disappointing a season as Buchanan had in 92.
And they were totally different players.
Cain was deceptively fast, had great floor vision but couldn't shoot beyond 15" and (until his senior year) was a turnover machine.
Buchanan was really a 2G thrust into the PG spot, couldn't really penetrate and was extremely conservative with the ball, which Louie loved, and had a decent outside J (except for Sr year).[/quote]

Buchanan was absolutely not a two guard. In fact, he struggled mightily when he was forced to play that position his Sophomore year when Boo Harvey resumed the position.[/quote]
Wasn’t a very good point guard
 
He was good his freshmen’s year and very good his junior year. It’s the other two years that were the problem including his sophomore year where he played the two.
 
Fellow Redmen.comer abd all around great dude and friend Panther hanging out with his godson and fellow Johnny Lamont Hamilton [attachment=1663]E1D515C4-A69D-4AFD-8F9B-6944C8E55FCC.jpeg[/attachment]
 
[quote="mjmaherjr" post=401078]Fellow Redmen.comer abd all around great dude and friend Panther hanging out with his godson and fellow Johnny Lamont Hamilton [attachment=1663]E1D515C4-A69D-4AFD-8F9B-6944C8E55FCC.jpeg[/attachment][/quote]

The fact Lamont and his wife go to visit almost 20 years after playing for Panther in high school is clear evidence of the deep respect they have for him.
Just wonderful to see. Much respect.
 
[quote="redmannorth" post=401083][quote="mjmaherjr" post=401078]Fellow Redmen.comer abd all around great dude and friend Panther hanging out with his godson and fellow Johnny Lamont Hamilton [attachment=1663]E1D515C4-A69D-4AFD-8F9B-6944C8E55FCC.jpeg[/attachment][/quote]

The fact Lamont and his wife go to visit almost 20 years after playing for Panther in high school is clear evidence of the deep respect they have for him.
Just wonderful to see. Much respect.[/quote] absolutely !! And being totally serious if I had kids ( I don’t think I do lol ) but no joke if they played hoops or if I wanted them to have a real role model other than my dad then it would be Panther. I mainly Know him from here and private convos but I’m a people person and I know people and he is the guy
 
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[quote="mjmaherjr" post=401091][quote="redmannorth" post=401083][quote="mjmaherjr" post=401078]Fellow Redmen.comer abd all around great dude and friend Panther hanging out with his godson and fellow Johnny Lamont Hamilton [attachment=1663]E1D515C4-A69D-4AFD-8F9B-6944C8E55FCC.jpeg[/attachment][/quote]

The fact Lamont and his wife go to visit almost 20 years after playing for Panther in high school is clear evidence of the deep respect they have for him.
Just wonderful to see. Much respect.[/quote] absolutely !! And being totally serious if I had kids ( I don’t think I do lol ) but no joke if they played hoops or if I wanted them to have a real role model other than my dad then it would be Panther. I mainly Know him from here and private convos but I’m a people person and I know people and he is the guy[/quote]



I had the pleasure of meeting Panther at the Orlando Tournament. What a fine gentleman he is and a great representative for St. John's.
 
I really wished Lamont had played on more competitive teams instead of sandwiched in the Bermuda Triangle of the late Jarvis/early Norm years.
 
[quote="MainMan" post=401099]I really wished Lamont had played on more competitive teams instead of sandwiched in the Bermuda Triangle of the late Jarvis/early Norm years.[/quote]
Really wish he made that point blank wide open layup against St. Francis that would have won the game the night they dedicated the court and arena to Lou Carnesecca. He along with Showtime Hill did have their moments though.
 
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