Off Season Tidbits

[quote="JohnnyFan" post=359897]Boo......liked it better with the center court, overhead scoreboard. It made it look like a "real" arena.

With Carnesecca, it's a constant battle to hide from the high school gym look.[/quote]
When I spoke with Mike Cragg at Media Day, he was very pumped up about this new look.
 
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[quote="NCJohnnie" post=359849]Paultzman wrote: Brewster Academy grad Justin Simon (10 pts & 6 rebs) blows by defender for slam - via @ESPN App es.pn/2IFxP6E
12 Oct 2019 02:05

Don't count Justin out of getting a little time in NBA. Size, athleticism & work ethic are ideal, if only someone can work with him on his open jump shot, he is there. Stranger things have happened.[/quote]. NC Johnnie, agree with everything you said about Simon, except the last part about his shooting . Justin played for Sean Miller at Arizona , a very good shooter in his days at Pitt and Chris Mullin here, one of the great shooters of all time and neither could help Justin shoot the rock over those 4 years . It’s too bad , his BB DNA just doesn’t include a jump shot . At this point in his career , he’s not going to get it either . I hope , like you , that his other abilities might get him a spot on somebody’s bench . BTW, any one know how Ponds is doing ?
 
SLYFOXX1968 wrote: NC Johnnie, agree with everything you said about Simon, except the last part about his shooting . Justin played for Sean Miller at Arizona , a very good shooter in his days at Pitt and Chris Mullin here, one of the great shooters of all time and neither could help Justin shoot the rock over those 4 years . It’s too bad , his BB DNA just doesn’t include a jump shot . At this point in his career , he’s not going to get it either . I hope , like you , that his other abilities might get him a spot on somebody’s bench . BTW, any one know how Ponds is doing ?

Ponds sat first exhibition with quad injury, got 12, 5 and 3 minutes PT in next three. Their final two exhibition games are Wednesday & Friday. He's in a tough spot with Harden, Westbrook & Gordon all starting and Austin Rivers and the other rookie Clemons ahead of him. Needs to go light it up in G league which is probably where Justin winds up as well to start the season.
 
Thanks to all posters who've given insights on yesterday's open practice. Very helpful.
Good and surprising news about David Caraher's performance. He may well provide some needed scoring for us this year and Julian Champagnie's performance also a very nice surprise.
It's probably not looking good for Steere's waiver but here's hoping Rasheem Dunn gets his waiver.
 
[quote="Chicago Days" post=359942]Thanks to all posters who've given insights on yesterday's open practice. Very helpful.
Good and surprising news about David Caraher's performance. He may well provide some needed scoring for us this year and Julian Champagnie's performance also a very nice surprise.
It's probably not looking good for Steere's waiver but here's hoping Rasheem Dunn gets his waiver.[/quote]

We have 2 stars and a good pg as Dunn will get his waiver, so in essence 3 of our starting spots are filled with very high and good talent. The other 2 spots will be filled by committee and no doubt 10 players will play regularly. This will be a very challenging season but the CMA train has left the station and will continue to pick up speed. We are headed in the right direction.
 
[quote="redmannorth" post=359943][quote="Chicago Days" post=359942]Thanks to all posters who've given insights on yesterday's open practice. Very helpful.
Good and surprising news about David Caraher's performance. He may well provide some needed scoring for us this year and Julian Champagnie's performance also a very nice surprise.
It's probably not looking good for Steere's waiver but here's hoping Rasheem Dunn gets his waiver.[/quote]

We have 2 stars and a good pg as Dunn will get his waiver, so in essence 3 of our starting spots are filled with very high and good talent. The other 2 spots will be filled by committee and no doubt 10 players will play regularly. This will be a very challenging season but the CMA train has left the station and will continue to pick up speed. We are headed in the right direction.[/quote]

I also think that--once cleared to play--Steere will have a positive impact, butI'm not wearing rose-colored glasses, RMN. You're right that this season will be challenging and also that "we're headed in the right direction."
 
Thank you, all, for the updates. Glad to hear Carraher can shoot it and that Champagnie is a pleasant surprise.

My least favorite update was hearing Steere likes to play outside (Where have I seen this episode before?).

I am happy we brought in Dunn, but have much greater expectations for Greg Williams.
 
A different kind of court
By: Bernadette Starzee October 14, 2019


Red Ties: St. John’s alumni from Forchelli Deegan Terrana mingled with St. John’s athletic and academic leaders. (From left) Mike Cragg, John Clarke, Joseph Cuomo, John Terrana, Paul Pressey, James Ricca, Michael Simons and Robert Renda. (Photo courtesy of Forchelli Deegan Terrana)
The St. John’s University basketball program has a new coaching and athletic staff, and the team wanted to get the word out to the Long Island business community. Program leaders asked attorneys at Forchelli Deegan Terrana for help.
Joseph Cuomo and Robert Renda, who are alumni of both the undergraduate program and law school at St. John’s in Queens, are avid fans of the school’s storied men’s basketball team, which is one of the winningest college basketball teams in history.

Full article;
https://libn.com/2019/10/14/a-different-kind-of-court/
 
I have zero doubt that Caraher can shoot it when open. Unfortunately, we've seen this type of player before with Hooper, Borgault, Freudenberg etc. they come in as specialists but rarely are quick enough to keep up at this level and it's very tough for them to get open. I totally acknowledge I have a negative bias on this because of the other similar players I mentioned. I'm sure he will get better and better and truly hope he does, but I'm going to remain very cautiously optimistic with him. He looked like he was in slow motion playing with the other guys at tip off last year. Hope he can succeed where the other guys failed.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=360031]I have zero doubt that Caraher can shoot it when open. Unfortunately, we've seen this type of player before with Hooper, Borgault, Freudenberg etc. they come in as specialists but rarely are quick enough to keep up at this level and it's very tough for them to get open. I totally acknowledge I have a negative bias on this because of the other similar players I mentioned. I'm sure he will get better and better and truly hope he does, but I'm going to remain very cautiously optimistic with him. He looked like he was in slow motion playing with the other guys at tip off last year. Hope he can succeed where the other guys failed.[/quote]

I thought a couple posters who saw the STH practice Sunday raved about how Caraher could shoot 'all over the court' and also when under pressure and that he also had a nice touch underneath,
The weight loss and muscle gain may have unleashed his potential for Big East play.
 
[quote="Chicago Days" post=360033][quote="Mike Zaun" post=360031]I have zero doubt that Caraher can shoot it when open. Unfortunately, we've seen this type of player before with Hooper, Borgault, Freudenberg etc. they come in as specialists but rarely are quick enough to keep up at this level and it's very tough for them to get open. I totally acknowledge I have a negative bias on this because of the other similar players I mentioned. I'm sure he will get better and better and truly hope he does, but I'm going to remain very cautiously optimistic with him. He looked like he was in slow motion playing with the other guys at tip off last year. Hope he can succeed where the other guys failed.[/quote]

I thought a couple posters who saw the STH practice Sunday raved about how Caraher could shoot 'all over the court' and also when under pressure and that he also had a nice touch underneath,
The weight loss and muscle gain may have unleashed his potential for Big East play.[/quote]

I was there Sunday and David does have nice shot and touch and he is coachable. When taken aside by CMA after a bad outlet pass, he didn't make the mistake the next opportunity he had. He is not a starter (yet) but will be a good off the bench player which we need with CMA's system. PS--he also had a propensity to pull up the legs of his shorts as did our former coach (something those of us who saw him play will remember).
 
Just a Monte-like “other side” post. I just don’t understand how posters can look at a practice, a mix tape, or a small sample size of a player and draw conclusions as to their worth, potential, contribution. We have not seen the vast majority of the players play nor the coaches coach; how they will react to game conditions, a crowd, referees, a scoreboard. How they will play under end of game pressure. Who shines in practice and wilts with the lights on. Who understands and performs their role and who goes off the reservation. We will be playing a team game not five one on ones. I have no idea what kind of team we will have, I really don’t, but if we can get a certain amount of easy baskets off our defense I think we COULD be much better than many think. Defense and intelligent play can take you a long way with two unselfish scorers on a team.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=360031]I have zero doubt that Caraher can shoot it when open. Unfortunately, we've seen this type of player before with Hooper, Borgault, Freudenberg etc. they come in as specialists but rarely are quick enough to keep up at this level and it's very tough for them to get open. I totally acknowledge I have a negative bias on this because of the other similar players I mentioned. I'm sure he will get better and better and truly hope he does, but I'm going to remain very cautiously optimistic with him. He looked like he was in slow motion playing with the other guys at tip off last year. Hope he can succeed where the other guys failed.[/quote]

Difference is at least Caraher was rookie of the year in his prior conference. It says he can play at least a bit.
 
[quote="MCNPA" post=360040][quote="Mike Zaun" post=360031]I have zero doubt that Caraher can shoot it when open. Unfortunately, we've seen this type of player before with Hooper, Borgault, Freudenberg etc. they come in as specialists but rarely are quick enough to keep up at this level and it's very tough for them to get open. I totally acknowledge I have a negative bias on this because of the other similar players I mentioned. I'm sure he will get better and better and truly hope he does, but I'm going to remain very cautiously optimistic with him. He looked like he was in slow motion playing with the other guys at tip off last year. Hope he can succeed where the other guys failed.[/quote]

Difference is at least Caraher was rookie of the year in his prior conference. It says he can play at least a bit.[/quote]
I've thought that as well and while a lower level of competition--he did excel as a freshman. Plus, I recall that he was a Butler-commit before their coach fled to greener pastures.
 
[quote="Chicago Days" post=360041][quote="MCNPA" post=360040][quote="Mike Zaun" post=360031]I have zero doubt that Caraher can shoot it when open. Unfortunately, we've seen this type of player before with Hooper, Borgault, Freudenberg etc. they come in as specialists but rarely are quick enough to keep up at this level and it's very tough for them to get open. I totally acknowledge I have a negative bias on this because of the other similar players I mentioned. I'm sure he will get better and better and truly hope he does, but I'm going to remain very cautiously optimistic with him. He looked like he was in slow motion playing with the other guys at tip off last year. Hope he can succeed where the other guys failed.[/quote]

Difference is at least Caraher was rookie of the year in his prior conference. It says he can play at least a bit.[/quote]
I've thought that as well and while a lower level of competition--he did excel as a freshman. Plus, I recall that he was a Butler-commit before their coach fled to greener pastures.[/quote]

We have a few kids who are under skilled . I’m more worried about them. This kid is a basketball player, even if he’s not the quickest in the world. He has some skills and can shoot.
 
My initial thought once I heard that Dunn could play the point was that we'd go with him and Williams in the backcourt, and Heron, Figueroa, and Steere in the front court once second semester rolls around.

But I recently went from thinking Caraher would never do anything here due to foot speed to not being shocked if he starts at SF, with Williams coming off bench. Amazing what losing 25 pounds will do for someone's outlook.
 
[quote="Logen" post=360038]Just a Monte-like “other side” post. I just don’t understand how posters can look at a practice, a mix tape, or a small sample size of a player and draw conclusions as to their worth, potential, contribution. We have not seen the vast majority of the players play nor the coaches coach; how they will react to game conditions, a crowd, referees, a scoreboard. How they will play under end of game pressure. Who shines in practice and wilts with the lights on. Who understands and performs their role and who goes off the reservation. We will be playing a team game not five one on ones. I have no idea what kind of team we will have, I really don’t, but if we can get a certain amount of easy baskets off our defense I think we COULD be much better than many think. Defense and intelligent play can take you a long way with two unselfish scorers on a team.[/quote]

Starting to think like me? Ya know, there may be hope for you after all Logen :)
 
[quote="Monte" post=360047][quote="Logen" post=360038]Just a Monte-like “other side” post. I just don’t understand how posters can look at a practice, a mix tape, or a small sample size of a player and draw conclusions as to their worth, potential, contribution. We have not seen the vast majority of the players play nor the coaches coach; how they will react to game conditions, a crowd, referees, a scoreboard. How they will play under end of game pressure. Who shines in practice and wilts with the lights on. Who understands and performs their role and who goes off the reservation. We will be playing a team game not five one on ones. I have no idea what kind of team we will have, I really don’t, but if we can get a certain amount of easy baskets off our defense I think we COULD be much better than many think. Defense and intelligent play can take you a long way with two unselfish scorers on a team.[/quote]

Starting to think like me? Ya know, there may be hope for you after all Logen :)[/quote]

Nah, probably still a lost cause!! :p ;) :p ;) ;)
 
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