Obekpa Suspended

There is a "CO was Framed" theory making the rounds.

A few Saturdays back Mrs. L emerged from Taffner dusting flour from her Chanel suit. She had baked brownies from a "special" recipe handed down from Jarvis to Norm to Mrs L. After practice, she cackled to CO "These will help your shooting, my pretty" (Okay, the "my pretty" bit might be made up).

CO could not believe his luck and wanting to help the team in any way he could, devoured the entire batch, washing them down with a gallon of 2% milk while his teammates made fun of his milk 'stache (the last bit might not be true, but it could reasonably be assumed to have happened, locker room high jinks, etc.)

24 hours later he peed in a cup and the rest is history. The Curse of Jarvis strikes!
 
Rooting for this program sometimes feels like s fool's errand. Only SJU would completely blow an opportunity to earn some great ink for the accomplishment of making the ncaa tourney this year, especially when basketball in NY is so bad.
That being said, I cannot for the life of me comprehend the absolute insane levels of selfishness and stupidity involved here. You gave your school a black eye, you let your teammates down, and you will be sitting home while they are playing on the biggest stage. All for what?! Because you couldn't not smoke weed. Unreal. I hope it was worth it.
As far as those who say that others have gotten away with it, there's other kids doing it etc. that's not the point. There are rules. One of them is, don't smoke weed. Seems pretty simple to me. Unfortunately for Obekpa, he will have to live with the consequences of his actions. Maybe next time he'll say no

Bill Walton is living with the consequences just fine thank you. Even the greatest coach of all time turned a blind eye knowing the consequences. .....for UCLA. ;)
 
Hard to turn a blind eye when they present you with a failed drug test! I smoke weed=fired. Solution? I don't smoke weed. Let's see, play in the ncaa's or hit the bong. Easy decision!
 
I'm not scanning through 32 pages, he got suspended for weed?

I'm not a Lavin apologist, but how is this his fault? If this is true, this bozo goes out and gets high before his (probable) only NCAA Tournament?? What the eff was/is he thinking?

Was the Pittsburgh strip club incident at least partly Jarvis' fault?
This is what it's come to? It's not Obekpa's fault? He smoked the weed. It was an instant gratification move on his part. I'm assuming there was no gun to his head and considering he's the only one suspended, he didn't puff it with anyone else on the team.

I wouldn't miss Lavin one bit, but blaming him for this is a mistake. CO made a stupid decision, one he'll have to live with the rest of his life.

I blame him more for the culture then for the actual act. There's been a pattern.
I don't even know what to say to this. Unless Lavin rolled it and shotgunned into his mouth or packed the bowl and said "smoke this ish or else," I'm not blaming him.

I'm sorry. People have to still be accountable for their own actions. I know society always needs a scapegoat, and God knows Lavin can be blamed for other things (or his inability to coach properly) but this is ALL Obekpa's fault.

He smoked (allegedly, I guess), he knew what was at stake, and he had his greatest game ahead of him and HE STILL DID IT. Not Lavin, OBEKPA did it. He cost himself and, probably, cost the entire team. Selfish. Point blank

Agree with everything you're saying other than to give Lavin a complete pass on this. When my kids-20 and 16 years old-do something stupid I blame them, but I also take partial blame as the parent. So maybe its just my perspective on things.

It's not only what he did, but when he did it. He gets caught doing this in June after school is over, it doesn't bother me so much. Even in April or May after the season is over. But now he has affected the outcome of their season, and that's not forgivable. If any of my kids at that age do something like that, I'm not to blame, and I certainly would hold them fully accountable - not their roommates, friends, teachers, or coaches. Put the blame where blame belongs, and you're a better parent. Take some of the blame, and you're giving them a crutch.

Beast I said pretty much the exact same thing about the timing of this in another post. FWIW while I take some of the blame when my kids screw up, I don't share that with them. If my kid(s) continually screw up then the way I see it I didn't do such a good job as parent. But as I mentioned before, maybe that's just me.

I've always said to my kids, half seriously, before you get in the car with someone who is under the influence or feel unsafe in any way, call me. No matter where I am I will come get you or make sure you are safe. On the other hand, I've told them if they ever get arrested, don't call me.

Monte, I understand what you are saying, but as parents we are only one part of our children's environment, and not responsible for their actions. You are responsible for teaching them right from wrong, for providing for them opportunities that perhaps we didn't have, and for disciplining them when they step out of line. If you are a poor example, as in do as I say but not as I do, then, yea are somewhat accountable when they do some of the things you do and it gets them in trouble. But at some point, you're not to blame. I have friends who have worked hard as parents, and have problem children - not their fault. On the other hand, almost all of my social activities revolve around my family. I rarely go to an SJU game without someone in my family, and that's the best part of it for me.

I realize you are talking your kids here so I am not being in any way flippant or disrespectful, I am commenting as a parent myself on real life not basketball.. You say you've told your kids not to call you if they get arrested but cops are people too and mistakes are made by all human beings. If your kids were arrested but are innocent of the charges wouldn't you want to be the one they turn to? Me, I feel differently, I agree almost entirely with your description of parenting in the last paragraph but I will be there for all members of my family regardless (11 brothers and sisters and countless nieces and nephews, etc.). Not saying either view is right or wrong at all; different strokes for different folks.

In no way, shape or form is this a knock on Beast, who I happen to know is a wonderful parent. But the only thing I might add is that it wouldn't matter if my kid was innocent or guilty, as pissed off at him/her as I'd be, I'd go get his/her ass out of jail. And then I'd rip him/her a new one. Actually from some of the biggest mistakes my kids have made, I've found the opportunity for some of my best teaching moments. Thankfully I haven't seen repeats of the same big mistakes twice, but there's never a shortage of new ones when it comes to teenagers :) But as you do, I do not tell anyone how to parent. There's no blueprint and no "one size fits all" method.

when I was a kid god forbid if I had gotten arrested my parents would be the last people I would call because rest assured sitting in a jail would be a much better alternative than what would have awaited me when I got home with my parents. lol
 
Is it better to vacate a win than to never have won at all? Sounds so poetic.

They should have played Obekpa, and then been ineligible for the NCAAs for the next year or so. Doesn't seem like we'd be giving up much :)

Really?
 
I was just listening to espnradio, and Kay said that SJU called the NCAA to inform them that chris has been suspended.
Yeah, SJU has to do everything the right way. Well screw the right way.

Sometimes you just gotta shutup and let other people catch a wrong doing, and just hope they don't.
Atleast we'd have a chance if Chris played vs. Duke (if we beat SD St.), there would be nothing to lose by keeping quiet, yeah if they found out after the ncaa tourny was over maybe they would vacate our wins, but we'd enjoy the game vs. Duke and have atl.east a chance. Now, (my opinion) we don't have a chance vs. Duke.

Would love to see manhattan hit 25 3pointers and play them.
 
I was just listening to espnradio, and Kay said that SJU called the NCAA to inform them that chris has been suspended.
Yeah, SJU has to do everything the right way. Well screw the right way.

Sometimes you just gotta shutup and let other people catch a wrong doing, and just hope they don't.
Atleast we'd have a chance if Chris played vs. Duke (if we beat SD St.), there would be nothing to lose by keeping quiet, yeah if they found out after the ncaa tourny was over maybe they would vacate our wins, but we'd enjoy the game vs. Duke and have atl.east a chance. Now, (my opinion) we don't have a chance vs. Duke.

Would love to see manhattan hit 25 3pointers and play them.

Umm, no.
 
I was just listening to espnradio, and Kay said that SJU called the NCAA to inform them that chris has been suspended.
Yeah, SJU has to do everything the right way. Well screw the right way.

Sometimes you just gotta shutup and let other people catch a wrong doing, and just hope they don't.
Atleast we'd have a chance if Chris played vs. Duke (if we beat SD St.), there would be nothing to lose by keeping quiet, yeah if they found out after the ncaa tourny was over maybe they would vacate our wins, but we'd enjoy the game vs. Duke and have atl.east a chance. Now, (my opinion) we don't have a chance vs. Duke.

Would love to see manhattan hit 25 3pointers and play them.

Umm, no.

Why not, other schools look the other way
 
I was just listening to espnradio, and Kay said that SJU called the NCAA to inform them that chris has been suspended.
Yeah, SJU has to do everything the right way. Well screw the right way.

Sometimes you just gotta shutup and let other people catch a wrong doing, and just hope they don't.
Atleast we'd have a chance if Chris played vs. Duke (if we beat SD St.), there would be nothing to lose by keeping quiet, yeah if they found out after the ncaa tourny was over maybe they would vacate our wins, but we'd enjoy the game vs. Duke and have atl.east a chance. Now, (my opinion) we don't have a chance vs. Duke.

Would love to see manhattan hit 25 3pointers and play them.

Umm, no.

Why not, other schools look the other way

True. And it's not ethical when they do it, and it wouldn't be ethical if we did it.
 
I'm not scanning through 32 pages, he got suspended for weed?

I'm not a Lavin apologist, but how is this his fault? If this is true, this bozo goes out and gets high before his (probable) only NCAA Tournament?? What the eff was/is he thinking?

Was the Pittsburgh strip club incident at least partly Jarvis' fault?
This is what it's come to? It's not Obekpa's fault? He smoked the weed. It was an instant gratification move on his part. I'm assuming there was no gun to his head and considering he's the only one suspended, he didn't puff it with anyone else on the team.

I wouldn't miss Lavin one bit, but blaming him for this is a mistake. CO made a stupid decision, one he'll have to live with the rest of his life.

I blame him more for the culture then for the actual act. There's been a pattern.
I don't even know what to say to this. Unless Lavin rolled it and shotgunned into his mouth or packed the bowl and said "smoke this ish or else," I'm not blaming him.

I'm sorry. People have to still be accountable for their own actions. I know society always needs a scapegoat, and God knows Lavin can be blamed for other things (or his inability to coach properly) but this is ALL Obekpa's fault.

He smoked (allegedly, I guess), he knew what was at stake, and he had his greatest game ahead of him and HE STILL DID IT. Not Lavin, OBEKPA did it. He cost himself and, probably, cost the entire team. Selfish. Point blank

Agree with everything you're saying other than to give Lavin a complete pass on this. When my kids-20 and 16 years old-do something stupid I blame them, but I also take partial blame as the parent. So maybe its just my perspective on things.

It's not only what he did, but when he did it. He gets caught doing this in June after school is over, it doesn't bother me so much. Even in April or May after the season is over. But now he has affected the outcome of their season, and that's not forgivable. If any of my kids at that age do something like that, I'm not to blame, and I certainly would hold them fully accountable - not their roommates, friends, teachers, or coaches. Put the blame where blame belongs, and you're a better parent. Take some of the blame, and you're giving them a crutch.

Beast I said pretty much the exact same thing about the timing of this in another post. FWIW while I take some of the blame when my kids screw up, I don't share that with them. If my kid(s) continually screw up then the way I see it I didn't do such a good job as parent. But as I mentioned before, maybe that's just me.

I've always said to my kids, half seriously, before you get in the car with someone who is under the influence or feel unsafe in any way, call me. No matter where I am I will come get you or make sure you are safe. On the other hand, I've told them if they ever get arrested, don't call me.

Monte, I understand what you are saying, but as parents we are only one part of our children's environment, and not responsible for their actions. You are responsible for teaching them right from wrong, for providing for them opportunities that perhaps we didn't have, and for disciplining them when they step out of line. If you are a poor example, as in do as I say but not as I do, then, yea are somewhat accountable when they do some of the things you do and it gets them in trouble. But at some point, you're not to blame. I have friends who have worked hard as parents, and have problem children - not their fault. On the other hand, almost all of my social activities revolve around my family. I rarely go to an SJU game without someone in my family, and that's the best part of it for me.

I realize you are talking your kids here so I am not being in any way flippant or disrespectful, I am commenting as a parent myself on real life not basketball.. You say you've told your kids not to call you if they get arrested but cops are people too and mistakes are made by all human beings. If your kids were arrested but are innocent of the charges wouldn't you want to be the one they turn to? Me, I feel differently, I agree almost entirely with your description of parenting in the last paragraph but I will be there for all members of my family regardless (11 brothers and sisters and countless nieces and nephews, etc.). Not saying either view is right or wrong at all; different strokes for different folks.

In no way, shape or form is this a knock on Beast, who I happen to know is a wonderful parent. But the only thing I might add is that it wouldn't matter if my kid was innocent or guilty, as pissed off at him/her as I'd be, I'd go get his/her ass out of jail. And then I'd rip him/her a new one. Actually from some of the biggest mistakes my kids have made, I've found the opportunity for some of my best teaching moments. Thankfully I haven't seen repeats of the same big mistakes twice, but there's never a shortage of new ones when it comes to teenagers :) But as you do, I do not tell anyone how to parent. There's no blueprint and no "one size fits all" method.

You are a great parent also Monte. I know this from our discussions.

Actually, and this is really good advice, from Xavier parents of one of my son's best friends, who are also criminal attorneys. If you get arrested, do not say even a word, except, I want my lawyer. - innocent, guilty, or otherwise. Speaking can never help

My kids(especially my son) heard that message from a young age.........from their aunt a former Queens ADA and now Brooklyn criminal court judge. I guess the moral of the story is "if you're gonna screw up big time, don't compound it with having a big mouth". Hahaha. When we were kids we would often be able to talk our way out of an arrest. Not any more. Just shut up!
 
speaking of relative morality perhaps in Obekpa's past, coming from Africa, marijuana use is a common practice and not blatantly wrong as in New York. Still I am sure the team emphasizes no drug use, yet it counters his culture. A dilemma for sure.

I can also assure you that I know for a fact players that played in NCAA college games high on LSD.
 
I'm not scanning through 32 pages, he got suspended for weed?

I'm not a Lavin apologist, but how is this his fault? If this is true, this bozo goes out and gets high before his (probable) only NCAA Tournament?? What the eff was/is he thinking?

Was the Pittsburgh strip club incident at least partly Jarvis' fault?
This is what it's come to? It's not Obekpa's fault? He smoked the weed. It was an instant gratification move on his part. I'm assuming there was no gun to his head and considering he's the only one suspended, he didn't puff it with anyone else on the team.

I wouldn't miss Lavin one bit, but blaming him for this is a mistake. CO made a stupid decision, one he'll have to live with the rest of his life.

I blame him more for the culture then for the actual act. There's been a pattern.
I don't even know what to say to this. Unless Lavin rolled it and shotgunned into his mouth or packed the bowl and said "smoke this ish or else," I'm not blaming him.

I'm sorry. People have to still be accountable for their own actions. I know society always needs a scapegoat, and God knows Lavin can be blamed for other things (or his inability to coach properly) but this is ALL Obekpa's fault.

He smoked (allegedly, I guess), he knew what was at stake, and he had his greatest game ahead of him and HE STILL DID IT. Not Lavin, OBEKPA did it. He cost himself and, probably, cost the entire team. Selfish. Point blank

Agree with everything you're saying other than to give Lavin a complete pass on this. When my kids-20 and 16 years old-do something stupid I blame them, but I also take partial blame as the parent. So maybe its just my perspective on things.

It's not only what he did, but when he did it. He gets caught doing this in June after school is over, it doesn't bother me so much. Even in April or May after the season is over. But now he has affected the outcome of their season, and that's not forgivable. If any of my kids at that age do something like that, I'm not to blame, and I certainly would hold them fully accountable - not their roommates, friends, teachers, or coaches. Put the blame where blame belongs, and you're a better parent. Take some of the blame, and you're giving them a crutch.

Beast I said pretty much the exact same thing about the timing of this in another post. FWIW while I take some of the blame when my kids screw up, I don't share that with them. If my kid(s) continually screw up then the way I see it I didn't do such a good job as parent. But as I mentioned before, maybe that's just me.

I've always said to my kids, half seriously, before you get in the car with someone who is under the influence or feel unsafe in any way, call me. No matter where I am I will come get you or make sure you are safe. On the other hand, I've told them if they ever get arrested, don't call me.

Monte, I understand what you are saying, but as parents we are only one part of our children's environment, and not responsible for their actions. You are responsible for teaching them right from wrong, for providing for them opportunities that perhaps we didn't have, and for disciplining them when they step out of line. If you are a poor example, as in do as I say but not as I do, then, yea are somewhat accountable when they do some of the things you do and it gets them in trouble. But at some point, you're not to blame. I have friends who have worked hard as parents, and have problem children - not their fault. On the other hand, almost all of my social activities revolve around my family. I rarely go to an SJU game without someone in my family, and that's the best part of it for me.

I realize you are talking your kids here so I am not being in any way flippant or disrespectful, I am commenting as a parent myself on real life not basketball.. You say you've told your kids not to call you if they get arrested but cops are people too and mistakes are made by all human beings. If your kids were arrested but are innocent of the charges wouldn't you want to be the one they turn to? Me, I feel differently, I agree almost entirely with your description of parenting in the last paragraph but I will be there for all members of my family regardless (11 brothers and sisters and countless nieces and nephews, etc.). Not saying either view is right or wrong at all; different strokes for different folks.

In no way, shape or form is this a knock on Beast, who I happen to know is a wonderful parent. But the only thing I might add is that it wouldn't matter if my kid was innocent or guilty, as pissed off at him/her as I'd be, I'd go get his/her ass out of jail. And then I'd rip him/her a new one. Actually from some of the biggest mistakes my kids have made, I've found the opportunity for some of my best teaching moments. Thankfully I haven't seen repeats of the same big mistakes twice, but there's never a shortage of new ones when it comes to teenagers :) But as you do, I do not tell anyone how to parent. There's no blueprint and no "one size fits all" method.

when I was a kid god forbid if I had gotten arrested my parents would be the last people I would call because rest assured sitting in a jail would be a much better alternative than what would have awaited me when I got home with my parents. lol

See if you're Italian growing up in Brooklyn the the 70's, its considered a right of passage ;)
 
I was just listening to espnradio, and Kay said that SJU called the NCAA to inform them that chris has been suspended.
Yeah, SJU has to do everything the right way. Well screw the right way.

Sometimes you just gotta shutup and let other people catch a wrong doing, and just hope they don't.
Atleast we'd have a chance if Chris played vs. Duke (if we beat SD St.), there would be nothing to lose by keeping quiet, yeah if they found out after the ncaa tourny was over maybe they would vacate our wins, but we'd enjoy the game vs. Duke and have atl.east a chance. Now, (my opinion) we don't have a chance vs. Duke.

Would love to see manhattan hit 25 3pointers and play them.

Umm, no.

Why not, other schools look the other way

True. And it's not ethical when they do it, and it wouldn't be ethical if we did it.

I'm not suggesting that they should have swept it under the rug, nor am I convinced that it came out for ethical reasons.
 
Odd tweet by @sammyalbano
@SammyAlbano: Is it true the @StJohnsBBall charter 2 Charlotte may be even lighter than the Obekpaless flite was expecting ? #sjubb @SJUCoachLavin
 
W/O obekpa:

He fouled out against Gonzaga with us down double digits, we proceeded to come back

He missed game against Creighton at MSG. We destroyed Creighton that day

He missed our win against DePaul, where DLo grabbed 10 boards and Dom grabbed 11, Amar had 4 boards

And then of course he missed the nova game

Ok?

Somebody asked what happened without Chris this season I was just answering

Positive spin: Our offense is much more efficient and up-tempo with the 4 guards and Sir'Dom. Obekpa brings very little on the offensive end. Therefore, we will score more points without him in the lineup. SDSU is challenged offensively. Therefore, what CO would have brought on the defensive end will be missed less than if we were playing against a potent offense.

While we will miss CO's rebounding, our guards are pretty good rebounders and will offset some of the impact.

Our worst showings in the last two years have been when there was some drama surrounding either Chris or Rysheed. We go into this game without having to worry about a CO meltdown. As long as Sheed is in the right frame of mind, we will be fine going into this game.

We need maximum energy and effort from Dom. Sheed will have a good game. If Phil and D'lo can hit the outside shots, we win.

Duke, on the other hand...

I agree. No chance whatsoever against Duke but if Harrison, Greene and Pointer play the way they have the past two games San Diego will just pound the ball inside and they will score at will. It is a crying shame neither Jones or Joey bring anything to the table except fouls.
once again an example of the players the staff has brought in because they couldn't get real big east players. After the first class I can only think of 2 real BE players the staff has brought in. CO and Jordan. Besides those two there were a bunch of guys we all should have asked why they were brought here. I now think it was to cover up the fact they were not getting any real players. If I missed on any besides the two I mentioned please correct me.
 
Odd tweet by @sammyalbano
@SammyAlbano: Is it true the @StJohnsBBall charter 2 Charlotte may be even lighter than the Obekpaless flite was expecting ? #sjubb @SJUCoachLavin

??? anyone?
 
Odd tweet by @sammyalbano
@SammyAlbano: Is it true the @StJohnsBBall charter 2 Charlotte may be even lighter than the Obekpaless flite was expecting ? #sjubb @SJUCoachLavin

??? anyone?

Good luck trying to interpret the musings of a grown man twittering with the likes of a tween.
 
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