NY YANKEES - 2021
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section10 post=440127 said:
To more effectively make my point, I should note Cole's stats before and after MLB began enforcing the ban on sticky substance (June 21st). This is just 4 starts from the all-star game, so using pre and post all-star break stats is applicable (see below).
Pre- All Star Break ERA: 2.68
Post- All Star Break ERA: 4.17
Moose
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His numbers besides the last 5 games were pretty much on point. He finished 5 strikeout behind Ray for AL lead. Next closest pitcher was 20 behind him. The whole league was using sticky stuff. Did it make him better sure but he’s still the top in terms of AL pitchers.JohnnyFan post=440124 said:
well technically speaking it’s a St. John’s website with a sub topic baseball forum amongst a couple other off topic forums. Paul was about to add a Colonel Sanders KFC forum but since Sanders decommiitted looks like he made the right decision because that really would have pissed you offJeff Smith post=440136 said:
Moose post=440137 said:
I get it, but he's paid to be lights out. That big paycheck is really about games like tonight. The highest pitcher in baseball should be able to get out of the 3rd inning even when he doesn't have his best stuff. Guess I am just not much of a Gerritt Cole guy.
If healthy.....I feel Severino is our ace.
Moose
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I get it. Trust me. But to fans practically ever player is overpaid and besides the 26 players who win the World Series easy to point and say anyone didn’t earn their check for failing to come up when it counts the most. He laid a big fat egg tonight. I’ll never dispute that. But part of being an ace is also reliability and Sevy hasn’t shown that for years sadly. Also Sevy in postseason has been all over the map. From 4 shutout innings to games he can’t get out of first or third inning.JohnnyFan post=440141 said:
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To summarize:Moose post=440138 said:
We spend the basketball season agonizing over the exploits of a bunch of athletically talented young men and their (recently) wise mentors. Prior to that, we discussed shoe tying and scorer’s tables.
Off season this continues to a lesser degree. Mets talk starts in spring training and runs throughout the meaningful part of the season. It ends on July 1 when the check is cut and the season slips away. Yankee talk is the main off-season outlet of angst despite their actual record. All other sports get nominal attention (which correlates to their nominal success). Eventually a thread goes off the rails to a politically charged topic and the mods need to smack us back in line. Rinse. Repeat.
He had a stretch of about 10 mostly good starts after the sticky crackdown, and he's savvy enough, that I believe he'll adjust, eventually. He may just need a full offseason/spring training to do it.Moose post=440137 said:
The hamstring was absolutely a major issue. Cole comes across as one of those players who may have to be saved from himself. I'm sure they asked him how he felt, and I'm sure he said "fine" every time. He sounds like one of those guys who always says he's fine. He got away with it when he pitched that 1-0 game against Houston in July (when he insisted on finishing the game), but that mentality will get you eventually. That's why I never kill an athlete for telling his coach/manager that he's injured, as long as it's done the right way (the way David Wells did it in 2003 was not the right way - he should have told Torre beforehand).
Also, he was not good against Boston or Tampa this year, regardless of time of year (a couple of decent games against Boston). A lot of the individual players on those teams have terrific numbers against him, from even before his time with the Yankees, so they may just not be good matchups for him. Unfortunately, they are our two biggest rivals.
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Yankees need to shake up the front office and the manager and his staff.
Although Cashman was able to make some decent mid-season changes adding Rizzo and Gallo and pitchers Holmes and Heaney, he is responsible for the full composition of this team, including the manager.
Too many swing and miss hitters, fielders that can’t catch the ball, and base runners and fielders that have terrible judgment.
This team is weak in fundamentals.
Strongest needs: SS & Catcher.
I think the starting pitching is good for next season:
Cole, Severino, German, Montgomery and Gil.
Relievers:
Chapman, Loaisiga, Holmes, Green, Britton, Cortes, Luetge, Peralta.
On the block-Torres, Sanchez, Voit, Gallo
Cashman and Boone.
Although Cashman was able to make some decent mid-season changes adding Rizzo and Gallo and pitchers Holmes and Heaney, he is responsible for the full composition of this team, including the manager.
Too many swing and miss hitters, fielders that can’t catch the ball, and base runners and fielders that have terrible judgment.
This team is weak in fundamentals.
Strongest needs: SS & Catcher.
I think the starting pitching is good for next season:
Cole, Severino, German, Montgomery and Gil.
Relievers:
Chapman, Loaisiga, Holmes, Green, Britton, Cortes, Luetge, Peralta.
On the block-Torres, Sanchez, Voit, Gallo
Cashman and Boone.
Moose post=440138 said:
Maybe if he set up his favorites so he can go eitherhttps://redmen.com/forum/index.html orhttps://redmen.com/forum/redmentalk.html instead of going to the page that shows the most recent post (or thanks), he could avoid this part of the Site altogether.
IIRC this was pointed out before on this very thread.
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Knight post=440178 said:
I agree with some of your posts but Cashman has another year on his contract and ownership loves him so he is not going anywhere. And he loves Boone, so I doubt he is going anywhere either. His staff though is a different story.
Just about everyone would be made available if I was GM, but knowing full well some it would take a huge steal for me to deal, others won't be able to be moved due to their contract or age.
Britton won't be able to pitch at all next year and will only take up cap space (depending on what comes out of the new collective bargaining agreement) and will be put on the 60 Day IL as soon as they can do so according to the rules. We need a shortstop but I would go in a stop gap direction to give more time to see what we have Oswaldo Cabrera, Oswald Peraza and Anthony Volpe than spend big money on the big ticket shortstop free agency class. Spend that money elsewhere either through free agency or taking on salary (not salary dump pick ups but good players) for 1B (Matt Olsen would be nice) Starting Pitching and a Center Fielder.
I will pick up my thoughts in another post as to not make this one too long and hard to read if on a phone.