NY YANKEES - 2021

Just another gut-wrenching loss tonight. I just don't see a way to the playoffs for this team. Too many issues all season long, and terrible performance against the worst team in baseball. Cleveland will be a handful this weekend, and after the Rangers, a really difficult 9 game finish.
 
As much as I hate to do it, it's time for Torres to go.  I think he will thrive in a different situation.  So that means no AL East, and no Mets, but I'll listen to anyone else.

If I do trade him and Sanchez, I want speed back.  I really believe a big reason we have hit into so many DPs this year, is that the new "deader" baseball has lead to more ground balls, and we don't have the speed guys capable of beating them out.  It would be nice to get some of that, while selling other franchises on a potential 10 year superstar.

I also wouldn't be totally averse to trading DJ.  I never liked the idea of giving him a 6 year contract (I'm big on length when it comes to contracts), but with a reasonable salary, and a reputation that apparently has not been tarnished by this bad season, we might get a nice piece in return.

I don't expect much from the return of Aaron Hicks next year (have never been a big fan of him, as a player), and I think we pretty much know that the answers lie outside the organization, so it's time to get creative.
 
Knight post=439313 said:
Cashman and Boone need to go.


 
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May (and I underline may) need to add Gettleman and Judge. Know it's early for Judge but team played with lack of discipline tonight (offsides on FG miss cost them the game). May be overreacting but two gut pushing losses by Yanks and Jints tonight. When Giants had that late INT I immediately played the scenario that wound up happening in my mind. Giants would settle for go ahead FG and leave enough time for Washington to drive down field for game winning FG though must admit I didn't foresee the double gut punch of missed FG-penalty-crushing game winning FG.
 
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Knight post=439313 said:
Cashman and Boone need to go.


 
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Don't get your hopes up.  Boone may very well be gone (there are rumblings that he may not even want to come back, but that's just rumor).  But, I wouldn't expect philosophical changes with any new manager.

I think Cashman is safe for next year, for a few reasons (none of them particularly good).  One is that he has a year to go on his contract, and I don't think Hal Steinbrenner wants to pay two men to do one job.  Second, I don't think ownership has any clue about what qualities make a good GM.  They figure they already have someone in who they respect, someone who has been loyal to the organization in the past.  Since they don't know any better, they'll stick with the person they know, and if there is a new manager next year, Cashman gets to pick him, again.

Which brings us to the big problem with this team, which is ownership.  First, this philosophy of getting as close to the luxury tax as you can, without going over it, simply hasn't worked.   It results in a good team that's not great enough to win it all, but never bad enough to accumulate a high draft pick, meaning if they sign one of the free agent SS this offseason, they'll likely lose their first round pick, since it's not top 10.  We probably can't be like the Rays, not with the amount of long-term contracts we have in the fold (Rizzo, Heaney, and Kluber are our only free agents at the end of the year), so it's time to be more like the Dodgers, and pay up.  What the Dodgers tend to do, is pay more, for less years, so while it's a luxury tax hit, it doesn't put them in long-term financial distress either.  Even if they take a huge hit on Bauer, he's only signed through 2023 anyway (and can opt out after next year, and the contract is structured in a way that he could still do it if he comes back strong next year).  Instead, we go in the other direction.  We save money by giving more years to guys like Hicks and DJ, and already, you're starting to see the burden of giving those guys long-term deals (I can't kill them for Severino.  That one made sense at the time, even though it hasn't worked out).  5 years more of each of them does not exactly excite me.

So, while the people in the manager and GM jobs may change, I don't think the organizational philosophy will, and until it does, we'll be stuck in baseball purgatory, IMO.



 
 
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game 162/147
i am at a loss (3 to 2) for words.so here is another e-voice.
Entering Thursday, New York ranked 10th in runs scored among all American League teams, a statistic that is even more pronounced when [URL]https://www.mlb.com/player/656756[/URL]]Jordan Montgomery[/url] is on the mound.Montgomery entered the game with the fourth-lowest run support average in the AL (3.64). The finale continued that trend, marking the 22nd of the southpaw’s 27 starts this season in which he received three or fewer runs of support.

so if you had monty and the under, you won.
 
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SJU61982 post=439317 said:
Knight post=439313 said:
Cashman and Boone need to go.



 
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Don't get your hopes up.  Boone may very well be gone (there are rumblings that he may not even want to come back, but that's just rumor).  But, I wouldn't expect philosophical changes with any new manager.

I think Cashman is safe for next year, for a few reasons (none of them particularly good).  One is that he has a year to go on his contract, and I don't think Hal Steinbrenner wants to pay two men to do one job.  Second, I don't think ownership has any clue about what qualities make a good GM.  They figure they already have someone in who they respect, someone who has been loyal to the organization in the past.  Since they don't know any better, they'll stick with the person they know, and if there is a new manager next year, Cashman gets to pick him, again.

Which brings us to the big problem with this team, which is ownership.  First, this philosophy of getting as close to the luxury tax as you can, without going over it, simply hasn't worked.   It results in a good team that's not great enough to win it all, but never bad enough to accumulate a high draft pick, meaning if they sign one of the free agent SS this offseason, they'll likely lose their first round pick, since it's not top 10.  We probably can't be like the Rays, not with the amount of long-term contracts we have in the fold (Rizzo, Heaney, and Kluber are our only free agents at the end of the year), so it's time to be more like the Dodgers, and pay up.  What the Dodgers tend to do, is pay more, for less years, so while it's a luxury tax hit, it doesn't put them in long-term financial distress either.  Even if they take a huge hit on Bauer, he's only signed through 2023 anyway (and can opt out after next year, and the contract is structured in a way that he could still do it if he comes back strong next year).  Instead, we go in the other direction.  We save money by giving more years to guys like Hicks and DJ, and already, you're starting to see the burden of giving those guys long-term deals (I can't kill them for Severino.  That one made sense at the time, even though it hasn't worked out).  5 years more of each of them does not exactly excite me.

So, while the people in the manager and GM jobs may change, I don't think the organizational philosophy will, and until it does, we'll be stuck in baseball purgatory, IMO.




 
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Man, we Yankee fans are a spoiled bunch.
28 straight years with a winning record.  That's a 28 year window for winning titles.   Most teams have a 3-5 year window at best and then have to blow it up and rebuild.
29 years since we had a 1st round pick higher than #13 overall so we are NEVER in a position to restock the farm system with top tier talent from the draft.
IFA rules designed to keep winning teams (Yankees) from getting the best international players every year.
Sill we have a farm system absolutely LOADED with young, high ceiling talent.

Cashman isn't the best GM in the sport but he's in the top 5.  Getting rid of him doesn't mean you are replacing him with someone better so be careful what you wish for.  

This team definitely needs an infusion of youth, left handed bats, and more pitching (like everyone else).   It doesn't need to be blown up.  

Next year:
Cole
Monty
Taillon
Sevy
Gil?

Re-sign Rizzo short term, trade voit for BP help
Trade Urshela for more BP help, move DJ to 3B and Torres to 2B.  Sign SS to keep the seat warm for Volpe/Peraza.
Find lefty hitting CF option.

Overhaul Bullpen.   Keep/Start with:
Chapman
Green
Cortes
Ridings
German

and find 4 guys internally or via trade/FA that can pitch high leverage situations at the back of the pen.  Hopefully one who can close.

I'd look for a new Manager.  Someone a little less laid back, even if he will make the same moves Boone does based on analytics.  


 
 
 
Moose's point was he should be in the rotation.  Don't know if he can repeat what he did, but I'd give him another shot at starting after this year.

 
 
SJU61982 post=439317 said:
Knight post=439313 said:
Cashman and Boone need to go.



 
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Don't get your hopes up.  Boone may very well be gone (there are rumblings that he may not even want to come back, but that's just rumor).  But, I wouldn't expect philosophical changes with any new manager.

I think Cashman is safe for next year, for a few reasons (none of them particularly good).  One is that he has a year to go on his contract, and I don't think Hal Steinbrenner wants to pay two men to do one job.  Second, I don't think ownership has any clue about what qualities make a good GM.  They figure they already have someone in who they respect, someone who has been loyal to the organization in the past.  Since they don't know any better, they'll stick with the person they know, and if there is a new manager next year, Cashman gets to pick him, again.

Which brings us to the big problem with this team, which is ownership.  First, this philosophy of getting as close to the luxury tax as you can, without going over it, simply hasn't worked.   It results in a good team that's not great enough to win it all, but never bad enough to accumulate a high draft pick, meaning if they sign one of the free agent SS this offseason, they'll likely lose their first round pick, since it's not top 10.  We probably can't be like the Rays, not with the amount of long-term contracts we have in the fold (Rizzo, Heaney, and Kluber are our only free agents at the end of the year), so it's time to be more like the Dodgers, and pay up.  What the Dodgers tend to do, is pay more, for less years, so while it's a luxury tax hit, it doesn't put them in long-term financial distress either.  Even if they take a huge hit on Bauer, he's only signed through 2023 anyway (and can opt out after next year, and the contract is structured in a way that he could still do it if he comes back strong next year).  Instead, we go in the other direction.  We save money by giving more years to guys like Hicks and DJ, and already, you're starting to see the burden of giving those guys long-term deals (I can't kill them for Severino.  That one made sense at the time, even though it hasn't worked out).  5 years more of each of them does not exactly excite me.

So, while the people in the manager and GM jobs may change, I don't think the organizational philosophy will, and until it does, we'll be stuck in baseball purgatory, IMO.




 
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Sorry, I can' t agree with you about the ownership.  Yes they do have enough resources where you would think it would not matter if they blow through luxury tax (and they have on occasion).  But the fact is they are willing to go at least near it when most teams wouldn't even some of the so-call big market teams.  The problem isn't spending, its how its spent and on whom and that falls on the GM and front office.  We've spent money and years on too many players who didn't or haven't lived up what was thought.  They have been good at finding useful pieces on the low end, but not so much on the high end.  

Passing on the international market players that had higher price tags after getting burned on Contreras didn't help no lack of minor league development of pitchers (we haven't had a homegrown starting pitcher who stayed in the rotation more than three years since Andy Pettite and the ones that showed promise (Hughes, Chamberlin) we jerked around.

That's on Cashman and his minions.
 
SJU85 post=439352 said:
Moose's point was he should be in the rotation.  Don't know if he can repeat what he did, but I'd give him another shot at starting after this year.


 
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Not me.  No chance.
I love the storyline in a year where we had a ton of injuries and were desperate for starter innings from anyone Cortes stepped up with a career year.   That doesn't change the fact that he's a gimmick starter who wouldn't be on the post season roster, let alone starting a big game if everyone was healthy.

I'd keep him in the pen as a spot starter but that's it.    But there's no way I'm rolling with him as a top 5 starter on a team with WS aspirations.  Would much rather have a young guy like Gil, Medina, Schmidt, German, etc in that 5th spot.  
 
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SJU85 post=439352 said:
Moose's point was he should be in the rotation.  Don't know if he can repeat what he did, but I'd give him another shot at starting after this year.





 
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Not me.  No chance.
I love the storyline in a year where we had a ton of injuries and were desperate for starter innings from anyone Cortes stepped up with a career year.   That doesn't change the fact that he's a gimmick starter who wouldn't be on the post season roster, let alone starting a big game if everyone was healthy.

I'd keep him in the pen as a spot starter but that's it.    But there's no way I'm rolling with him as a top 5 starter on a team with WS aspirations.  Would much rather have a young guy like Gil, Medina, Schmidt, German, etc in that 5th spot.  
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Wade Miley is 34 years old and has won 26 games over the last 2 years as a crafty gimmicky pitcher just like Cortes.  I'm not saying roll him out there as a 1-4 starter but you can do a lot worse having a bulldog like him as a 5th starter.  Oh and he's only 27 too.  Sure I want to see Gil for a full year.  And yes I want to see Medina.  Gil, Medina and Schmidt are really unproven.  German can't stay healthy.  Your rotation doesn't scare me and frankly doesnt scream WS aspirations either.  You had Monty at 2, who knows what Sevy does as your #4.  And Taillon who has been a disaster for 1st half and then lights out for a limited time.  Nasty Nestor has earned a spot to start next year.  If someone beats him great.  We have a versatile multi inning arm as well.
 
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game 162/148.
getty gallo.
#99 - ballantine blast - wow - imagine a healthy #99 for 150+ games
sign him and give him his captain bars
another stat - gallo is the 6th active al player with 35+ gettys and 100+ walks in a season 
gardy gardy gardy
getty stanton. the bronx bombers be back
gallo again.
the gallo/stanton bandwagon is now standing room only.
 
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