Nov 8, 2016 - The lesser of two evils?

[Class of 72]

Question: Are communists, or those espousing sharing the wealth, allowed to become fabulously wealthy in process of espousing those views, and in process, sharing little of their own new found wealth?

If that's the litmus test, few far left liberals are communist. Then again, neither are most communist world leaders

I don't care if they are communists, socialists, Democrats, Republicans or fascist, all I want is that damn swamp in D.C. drained. So far Trump has not done that and we are in a political quagmire. I am pretty sure my fascist candidate Bernie Sanders would have started draining the swamp by now. Heck, even Mussolini was more of a change maker except for aligning with Nazi Germany.
One of the good things Mussolini did was drain the swamps. Maybe Trump should shave his head.

Are you really sure Sanders would have drained the swamp? Even after being conspired against by the dnc and clinton he aligned with her for political gain. F the millions of college students who saw him as a hope, his ridiculous free tuition and all. He had a real opprtunity to come out against the status wuo cheating dnc, but instead he disappointed his base by being a complicit political hack

No I'm not sure of very much when it comes to politics. It's sad when our political parties have become polar opposites and both are very divisive. There was nothing ridiculous about free tuition for "public" tax supported schools. Public schools are free. In most states college tuition at state schools are a fraction of what they charge non residents. They are practically free now with the various grants and other assistance. In states like California they offer education on par with the best privates. Bernie has dedicated outlets to fight the "status quo" unlike Hillary who was just a "political hack". What's done is done and I hope for the best and like our coach I hope Trump learns quickly while on the job.

I never got the free tuition thing since state colleges are already heavily subsidized by tax dollars and the cost for tuition a fraction of a private education. States such as mn and wi even reciprocate, providing in state tuition rates to each other's residents. My point to current students was, "who do you think will be paying for this if Sander's plan went into effect?" Well, them of course. It was just another entitlement, aimed at securing votes.

Nothing is "free". Eventually the bill comes due, and someone will be left holding the bag. It's like a giant pyramid scheme. But guys like Bernie don't give a damn since they'll be long gone(likely dead) before the shit hits the fan. Those benefiting don't give a damn. Like you said, there is already plenty of financial support available for college education to families that cannot afford it. In NY State there's TAP, amongst other programs, which cover a large chuck of SUNY(8K +) or CUNY(6k+) tuition. But of course there are never enough handout for many of those on the left.[/quote]

Monte, I agree that nothing is free. However, as I said in my post, they are now practically free (excluding Room & Board) when financial support is factored into the equation. As you may know, here in New York State, beginning next school year students can take advantage of The Excelsior Scholarship.
Under this program, more than 940,000 middle-class families and individuals making up to $125,000 per year will qualify to attend college tuition-free at all CUNY and SUNY two- and four-year colleges in New York State.
This is similar to the Sanders proposal but fairer to the tax payers and better for the State.
I firmly believe tuition should be tied to income. Families earning over a quarter million $ should be able to afford the full cost of the already low state tuition. Like the free tuition at our military service academies, students will be required to work in New York for the length of their scholarship, thereby giving something back.
Remember, the very brightest students tend to attend college for free on academic scholarships. Athletes, regardless of I.Q., get free rides. Free tuition for low income and most of the middle class is not that far fetched as some make it to be.
Even subsidizing our health care system can be easily increased to European standards if our bloated military budget was reduced and redirected to health care. As in education, this would help mostly the poor and many middle class citizens while the well-to-do can continue to afford expensive health insurance and go to the best doctors and private hospitals.
If illegal immigrants can utilize our schools and health care for free, why shouldn't most lower income Americans?

 

[logen]

Question: Are communists, or those espousing sharing the wealth, allowed to become fabulously wealthy in process of espousing those views, and in process, sharing little of their own new found wealth?

If that's the litmus test, few far left liberals are communist. Then again, neither are most communist world leaders

I don't care if they are communists, socialists, Democrats, Republicans or fascist, all I want is that damn swamp in D.C. drained. So far Trump has not done that and we are in a political quagmire. I am pretty sure my fascist candidate Bernie Sanders would have started draining the swamp by now. Heck, even Mussolini was more of a change maker except for aligning with Nazi Germany.
One of the good things Mussolini did was drain the swamps. Maybe Trump should shave his head.

Are you really sure Sanders would have drained the swamp? Even after being conspired against by the dnc and clinton he aligned with her for political gain. F the millions of college students who saw him as a hope, his ridiculous free tuition and all. He had a real opprtunity to come out against the status wuo cheating dnc, but instead he disappointed his base by being a complicit political hack

No I'm not sure of very much when it comes to politics. It's sad when our political parties have become polar opposites and both are very divisive. There was nothing ridiculous about free tuition for "public" tax supported schools. Public schools are free. In most states college tuition at state schools are a fraction of what they charge non residents. They are practically free now with the various grants and other assistance. In states like California they offer education on par with the best privates. Bernie has dedicated outlets to fight the "status quo" unlike Hillary who was just a "political hack". What's done is done and I hope for the best and like our coach I hope Trump learns quickly while on the job.

I never got the free tuition thing since state colleges are already heavily subsidized by tax dollars and the cost for tuition a fraction of a private education. States such as mn and wi even reciprocate, providing in state tuition rates to each other's residents. My point to current students was, "who do you think will be paying for this if Sander's plan went into effect?" Well, them of course. It was just another entitlement, aimed at securing votes.

Nothing is "free". Eventually the bill comes due, and someone will be left holding the bag. It's like a giant pyramid scheme. But guys like Bernie don't give a damn since they'll be long gone(likely dead) before the shit hits the fan. Those benefiting don't give a damn. Like you said, there is already plenty of financial support available for college education to families that cannot afford it. In NY State there's TAP, amongst other programs, which cover a large chuck of SUNY(8K +) or CUNY(6k+) tuition. But of course there are never enough handout for many of those on the left.[/quote/]/

I heard a left wing activist on TV last week railing that Trump and the Republicans were stealing what is theirs. Aggressively arrogant that they deserved free stuff from the government, not as a hand up, but as a hand out. I believe handouts have in them an inherent bias against the recipient. When you create multi generational cycles of poverty and single parent families, you are telling people that they are incapable of breaking free from that and that they should spend their lives nursing on the government's teat.

" I believe handouts have in them an inherent bias against the recipient. When you create multi generational cycles of poverty and single parent families, you are telling people that they are incapable of breaking free from that and that they should spend their lives nursing on the government's teat."
That is in a nutshell the philosophy of the left; they want ALL non-elitist people on the "government teat" because then they have you. They have NO and never had ANY intention of helping anyone except by giving them free "stuff" to make them totally dependent and therefore totally controllable. I am still waiting for one Obama supporter to name ONE thing he did for the poor in this country except make them more dependent under the guise of income re-distribution.

 

[ras]

Question: Are communists, or those espousing sharing the wealth, allowed to become fabulously wealthy in process of espousing those views, and in process, sharing little of their own new found wealth?

If that's the litmus test, few far left liberals are communist. Then again, neither are most communist world leaders

I don't care if they are communists, socialists, Democrats, Republicans or fascist, all I want is that damn swamp in D.C. drained. So far Trump has not done that and we are in a political quagmire. I am pretty sure my fascist candidate Bernie Sanders would have started draining the swamp by now. Heck, even Mussolini was more of a change maker except for aligning with Nazi Germany.
One of the good things Mussolini did was drain the swamps. Maybe Trump should shave his head.

Are you really sure Sanders would have drained the swamp? Even after being conspired against by the dnc and clinton he aligned with her for political gain. F the millions of college students who saw him as a hope, his ridiculous free tuition and all. He had a real opprtunity to come out against the status wuo cheating dnc, but instead he disappointed his base by being a complicit political hack

No I'm not sure of very much when it comes to politics. It's sad when our political parties have become polar opposites and both are very divisive. There was nothing ridiculous about free tuition for "public" tax supported schools. Public schools are free. In most states college tuition at state schools are a fraction of what they charge non residents. They are practically free now with the various grants and other assistance. In states like California they offer education on par with the best privates. Bernie has dedicated outlets to fight the "status quo" unlike Hillary who was just a "political hack". What's done is done and I hope for the best and like our coach I hope Trump learns quickly while on the job.

I never got the free tuition thing since state colleges are already heavily subsidized by tax dollars and the cost for tuition a fraction of a private education. States such as mn and wi even reciprocate, providing in state tuition rates to each other's residents. My point to current students was, "who do you think will be paying for this if Sander's plan went into effect?" Well, them of course. It was just another entitlement, aimed at securing votes.

Nothing is "free". Eventually the bill comes due, and someone will be left holding the bag. It's like a giant pyramid scheme. But guys like Bernie don't give a damn since they'll be long gone(likely dead) before the shit hits the fan. Those benefiting don't give a damn. Like you said, there is already plenty of financial support available for college education to families that cannot afford it. In NY State there's TAP, amongst other programs, which cover a large chuck of SUNY(8K +) or CUNY(6k+) tuition. But of course there are never enough handout for many of those on the left.[/quote/]/

I heard a left wing activist on TV last week railing that Trump and the Republicans were stealing what is theirs. Aggressively arrogant that they deserved free stuff from the government, not as a hand up, but as a hand out. I believe handouts have in them an inherent bias against the recipient. When you create multi generational cycles of poverty and single parent families, you are telling people that they are incapable of breaking free from that and that they should spend their lives nursing on the government's teat.

Ive argued the same thing. People are living longer and retiring later in life. I figure an 18 year old will retire at about 75 years old. A see the life span being 100 years old then. Say they graduate college at 22 years old and they got free college. They will then have to pay extra taxes from 22 years old to 75 years old to subsidize the current college students. The way I have it figured ,the "free college" is going to cost them a lot of money over the years.

 

[Spocky Ramone]

hi

Question: Are communists, or those espousing sharing the wealth, allowed to become fabulously wealthy in process of espousing those views, and in process, sharing little of their own new found wealth?

If that's the litmus test, few far left liberals are communist. Then again, neither are most communist world leaders

I don't care if they are communists, socialists, Democrats, Republicans or fascist, all I want is that damn swamp in D.C. drained. So far Trump has not done that and we are in a political quagmire. I am pretty sure my fascist candidate Bernie Sanders would have started draining the swamp by now. Heck, even Mussolini was more of a change maker except for aligning with Nazi Germany.
One of the good things Mussolini did was drain the swamps. Maybe Trump should shave his head.

Are you really sure Sanders would have drained the swamp? Even after being conspired against by the dnc and clinton he aligned with her for political gain. F the millions of college students who saw him as a hope, his ridiculous free tuition and all. He had a real opprtunity to come out against the status wuo cheating dnc, but instead he disappointed his base by being a complicit political hack

No I'm not sure of very much when it comes to politics. It's sad when our political parties have become polar opposites and both are very divisive. There was nothing ridiculous about free tuition for "public" tax supported schools. Public schools are free. In most states college tuition at state schools are a fraction of what they charge non residents. They are practically free now with the various grants and other assistance. In states like California they offer education on par with the best privates. Bernie has dedicated outlets to fight the "status quo" unlike Hillary who was just a "political hack". What's done is done and I hope for the best and like our coach I hope Trump learns quickly while on the job.

I never got the free tuition thing since state colleges are already heavily subsidized by tax dollars and the cost for tuition a fraction of a private education. States such as mn and wi even reciprocate, providing in state tuition rates to each other's residents. My point to current students was, "who do you think will be paying for this if Sander's plan went into effect?" Well, them of course. It was just another entitlement, aimed at securing votes.

Nothing is "free". Eventually the bill comes due, and someone will be left holding the bag. It's like a giant pyramid scheme. But guys like Bernie don't give a damn since they'll be long gone(likely dead) before the shit hits the fan. Those benefiting don't give a damn. Like you said, there is already plenty of financial support available for college education to families that cannot afford it. In NY State there's TAP, amongst other programs, which cover a large chuck of SUNY(8K +) or CUNY(6k+) tuition. But of course there are never enough handout for many of those on the left.

Monte, I agree that nothing is free. However, as I said in my post, they are now practically free (excluding Room & Board) when financial support is factored into the equation. As you may know, here in New York State, beginning next school year students can take advantage of The Excelsior Scholarship.
Under this program, more than 940,000 middle-class families and individuals making up to $125,000 per year will qualify to attend college tuition-free at all CUNY and SUNY two- and four-year colleges in New York State.
This is similar to the Sanders proposal but fairer to the tax payers and better for the State.
I firmly believe tuition should be tied to income. Families earning over a quarter million $ should be able to afford the full cost of the already low state tuition. Like the free tuition at our military service academies, students will be required to work in New York for the length of their scholarship, thereby giving something back.
Remember, the very brightest students tend to attend college for free on academic scholarships. Athletes, regardless of I.Q., get free rides. Free tuition for low income and most of the middle class is not that far fetched as some make it to be.
Even subsidizing our health care system can be easily increased to European standards if our bloated military budget was reduced and redirected to health care. As in education, this would help mostly the poor and many middle class citizens while the well-to-do can continue to afford expensive health insurance and go to the best doctors and private hospitals.
If illegal immigrants can utilize our schools and health care for free, why shouldn't most lower income Americans?[/quote]

Those who turn their swords into plowshares will till the land for those who do not.

And I submit that your thought process for the last sentence is fundamentally incorrect.

 

[fuchsia]

Question: Are communists, or those espousing sharing the wealth, allowed to become fabulously wealthy in process of espousing those views, and in process, sharing little of their own new found wealth?

If that's the litmus test, few far left liberals are communist. Then again, neither are most communist world leaders

I don't care if they are communists, socialists, Democrats, Republicans or fascist, all I want is that damn swamp in D.C. drained. So far Trump has not done that and we are in a political quagmire. I am pretty sure my fascist candidate Bernie Sanders would have started draining the swamp by now. Heck, even Mussolini was more of a change maker except for aligning with Nazi Germany.
One of the good things Mussolini did was drain the swamps. Maybe Trump should shave his head.

Are you really sure Sanders would have drained the swamp? Even after being conspired against by the dnc and clinton he aligned with her for political gain. F the millions of college students who saw him as a hope, his ridiculous free tuition and all. He had a real opprtunity to come out against the status wuo cheating dnc, but instead he disappointed his base by being a complicit political hack

No I'm not sure of very much when it comes to politics. It's sad when our political parties have become polar opposites and both are very divisive. There was nothing ridiculous about free tuition for "public" tax supported schools. Public schools are free. In most states college tuition at state schools are a fraction of what they charge non residents. They are practically free now with the various grants and other assistance. In states like California they offer education on par with the best privates. Bernie has dedicated outlets to fight the "status quo" unlike Hillary who was just a "political hack". What's done is done and I hope for the best and like our coach I hope Trump learns quickly while on the job.

I never got the free tuition thing since state colleges are already heavily subsidized by tax dollars and the cost for tuition a fraction of a private education. States such as mn and wi even reciprocate, providing in state tuition rates to each other's residents. My point to current students was, "who do you think will be paying for this if Sander's plan went into effect?" Well, them of course. It was just another entitlement, aimed at securing votes.

Nothing is "free". Eventually the bill comes due, and someone will be left holding the bag. It's like a giant pyramid scheme. But guys like Bernie don't give a damn since they'll be long gone(likely dead) before the shit hits the fan. Those benefiting don't give a damn. Like you said, there is already plenty of financial support available for college education to families that cannot afford it. In NY State there's TAP, amongst other programs, which cover a large chuck of SUNY(8K +) or CUNY(6k+) tuition. But of course there are never enough handout for many of those on the left.[/quote/]/

I heard a left wing activist on TV last week railing that Trump and the Republicans were stealing what is theirs. Aggressively arrogant that they deserved free stuff from the government, not as a hand up, but as a hand out. I believe handouts have in them an inherent bias against the recipient. When you create multi generational cycles of poverty and single parent families, you are telling people that they are incapable of breaking free from that and that they should spend their lives nursing on the government's teat.

Moynihan is right next to Rollo May.

 

[fun]

Actually, negative on your stereotype of the name.......puerto rican, and once again prove my point thank you very much

Now that the truth is out I hope that you will learn from your mistakes and listen to these wise Caucasians. Obviously they know what's best.

 

[fun]

Maybe Trump should shave his head

If Trump shaved his head his approval rating would go up 20 percent.

 

[Class of 72]

Maybe Trump should shave his head

If Trump shaved his head his approval rating would go up 20 percent.

Especially amongst bald men. Dildo manufacturers would see a 50% increase with Republican female buyers.

 

[monte]

Actually, negative on your stereotype of the name.......puerto rican, and once again prove my point thank you very much

Now that the truth is out I hope that you will learn from your mistakes and listen to these wise Caucasians. Obviously they know what's best.

Just so we're clear, I'm not caucasian, I'm Sicilian. We're a race unto ourselves.

 

[fun]

Actually, negative on your stereotype of the name.......puerto rican, and once again prove my point thank you very much

Now that the truth is out I hope that you will learn from your mistakes and listen to these wise Caucasians. Obviously they know what's best.

Just so we're clear, I'm not caucasian, I'm Sicilian. We're a race unto ourselves.

I wasn't referring to you or your people. See also Hopper, Dennis. I was referring to paternalistic racist middle class white folk who know what's best for minorities who have Nordic names.

 

[fun]

Maybe Trump should shave his head

If Trump shaved his head his approval rating would go up 20 percent.

Especially amongst bald men. Dildo manufacturers would see a 50% increase with Republican female buyers.

Data shows overwhelmingly that republicans are more sexually satisfied than democrats. My theory is that democrats are forced to fornicate with women who look like Lena Dunham, whereas republican men voluntarily have relations with women who look like SE Cupp. OTOH you seem attached to a retriever. Not that there's anything wrong with that, goes without saying.

 

[beast of the east]

Otto Warmbier died today. The Trump administration and SOS Tillerson worked hard to bring him home alive. Unfortunately Kerry and Obama couldnt be bothered, instead telling the Warmbiers to "be patient".

Innocent Americans are imprisoned in Iran and Cuba but Obama didnt even bother to put their release on the table in lopsided deals with those countries. Instead he chose to literally send palettes of hundreds of millions in cash to Iran under the cover of darkness, hoping it would go undetected.

Yesterday Obama crowed how lucky he is to be a dad. U unfortunately the Warmbiers today orepare for a funeral because Obama told them to be patient while he did nothing.

Lesser of two evils? Hah.

 

[Class of 72]

Maybe Trump should shave his head

If Trump shaved his head his approval rating would go up 20 percent.

Especially amongst bald men. Dildo manufacturers would see a 50% increase with Republican female buyers.

Data shows overwhelmingly that republicans are more sexually satisfied than democrats. My theory is that democrats are forced to fornicate with women who look like Lena Dunham, whereas republican men voluntarily have relations with women who look like SE Cupp. OTOH you seem attached to a retriever. Not that there's anything wrong with that, goes without saying.

Being a Johnny fan, I even taught him one of my favorite childhood games "Johnny-on-the-pony". It comes so naturally to him!

[/quote]

 

[mjmaherjr]

Otto Warmbier died today. The Trump administration and SOS Tillerson worked hard to bring him home alive. Unfortunately Kerry and Obama couldnt be bothered, instead telling the Warmbiers to "be patient".

Innocent Americans are imprisoned in Iran and Cuba but Obama didnt even bother to put their release on the table in lopsided deals with those countries. Instead he chose to literally send palettes of hundreds of millions in cash to Iran under the cover of darkness, hoping it would go undetected.

Yesterday Obama crowed how lucky he is to be a dad. U unfortunately the Warmbiers today orepare for a funeral because Obama told them to be patient while he did nothing.

Lesser of two evils? Hah.

You are definitely right on Iran and North Korea but I think you are off on Cuba. I'm pretty sure I remember a US citizen who was improsned for awhile being released finally when Obama relaxed the deal with Cuba. I forget his name but I'm almost certain I remember something like that

 

[Spocky Ramone]

Actually, negative on your stereotype of the name.......puerto rican, and once again prove my point thank you very much

Now that the truth is out I hope that you will learn from your mistakes and listen to these wise Caucasians. Obviously they know what's best.

Just so we're clear, I'm not caucasian, I'm Sicilian. We're a race unto ourselves.

I wasn't referring to you or your people. See also Hopper, Dennis. I was referring to paternalistic racist middle class white folk who know what's best for minorities who have Nordic names.

Tell me, are you lying?

 

[Class of 72]

Actually, negative on your stereotype of the name.......puerto rican, and once again prove my point thank you very much

Now that the truth is out I hope that you will learn from your mistakes and listen to these wise Caucasians. Obviously they know what's best.

Just so we're clear, I'm not caucasian, I'm Sicilian. We're a race unto ourselves.

I wasn't referring to you or your people. See also Hopper, Dennis. I was referring to paternalistic racist middle class white folk who know what's best for minorities who have Nordic names.

Tell me, are you lying?

I believe every word Fun utters on redmen.com. He is multi-ethnic and proud of it!

[/quote]

 

[beast of the east]

Maybe Trump should shave his head

If Trump shaved his head his approval rating would go up 20 percent.

Especially amongst bald men. Dildo manufacturers would see a 50% increase with Republican female buyers.

Data shows overwhelmingly that republicans are more sexually satisfied than democrats. My theory is that democrats are forced to fornicate with women who look like Lena Dunham, whereas republican men voluntarily have relations with women who look like SE Cupp. OTOH you seem attached to a retriever. Not that there's anything wrong with that, goes without saying.

Being a Johnny fan, I even taught him one of my favorite childhood games "Johnny-on-the-pony". It comes so naturally to him!

[/quote]

I love your contributions, but given the chance you will always go one step too far.

 

[Class of 72]

Maybe Trump should shave his head

If Trump shaved his head his approval rating would go up 20 percent.

Especially amongst bald men. Dildo manufacturers would see a 50% increase with Republican female buyers.

Data shows overwhelmingly that republicans are more sexually satisfied than democrats. My theory is that democrats are forced to fornicate with women who look like Lena Dunham, whereas republican men voluntarily have relations with women who look like SE Cupp. OTOH you seem attached to a retriever. Not that there's anything wrong with that, goes without saying.

Being a Johnny fan, I even taught him one of my favorite childhood games "Johnny-on-the-pony". It comes so naturally to him!

I love your contributions, but given the chance you will always go one step too far. [/quote]

Why? You don't like Johnny-on-the-pony or just ponies?

[/quote]

 

[Las Vegan]

Maybe Trump should shave his head

If Trump shaved his head his approval rating would go up 20 percent.

Especially amongst bald men. Dildo manufacturers would see a 50% increase with Republican female buyers.

Data shows overwhelmingly that republicans are more sexually satisfied than democrats. My theory is that democrats are forced to fornicate with women who look like Lena Dunham, whereas republican men voluntarily have relations with women who look like SE Cupp. OTOH you seem attached to a retriever. Not that there's anything wrong with that, goes without saying.

Being a Johnny fan, I even taught him one of my favorite childhood games "Johnny-on-the-pony". It comes so naturally to him!

[/quote]

Looks more like the Pony on Johnny.

 

[Spocky Ramone]

Maybe Trump should shave his head

If Trump shaved his head his approval rating would go up 20 percent.

Especially amongst bald men. Dildo manufacturers would see a 50% increase with Republican female buyers.

Data shows overwhelmingly that republicans are more sexually satisfied than democrats. My theory is that democrats are forced to fornicate with women who look like Lena Dunham, whereas republican men voluntarily have relations with women who look like SE Cupp. OTOH you seem attached to a retriever. Not that there's anything wrong with that, goes without saying.

Being a Johnny fan, I even taught him one of my favorite childhood games "Johnny-on-the-pony". It comes so naturally to him!

Looks more like the Pony on Johnny.[/quote]
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