Nov 8, 2016 - The lesser of two evils?

[fuchsia]

Do you guys realize what a bunch of whiny ass sore losers you sound like? Now you know how we felt for the last 8 years under "not our president". Except we sucked it up and waited our turn, instead of crying. If this country survived the last 8 years, we'll surely survive the next 8.

I want every president to succeed regardless of party affiliation if it benefits the 90% of the population that are not multimillionaires. So far very few presidents have succeeded. With all due respect this president has yet to show any real interest in other than the 10% he identifies with and represents. His tax plan would do away with the deduction of property taxes and most State and local deductions. The ripple effect would punish most middle class homeowners.
That said, the amount of horse shit piling up in this White House would make it very unlikely that this president will have a second term. In other words "Sarà un miracolo se questo idiota dura quattro anni e non 8 anni".

Just to be clear, I wanted Obama to succeed in the same way that I want Trump and every elected official to succeed. I did not vote for him, but I supported him as soon as he was elected. Not withstanding my OP, while I grew to dislike his politics immensely (guess that makes me racist) I never considered him to be "not my president". In the same way that I don't consider Diblasio to be "not my mayor", in spite of the fact that I think he's a horrible mayor. However there is a large segment of the left who want Trump to fail, even if it is to the detriment of our country. Those people are un-American fools IMO, and can go F themselves.

Its because you aren't part of the resistance

Beastie, one of the books I always keep within arms length is Rollo May's "Love and Will" published in 1969. He writes at length about people who build their adult identities around resistance, and thus are dependent on the continuing presence of that which they claim to be resisting as the key to holding on to themselves. Resistance is a dead end for the Democrats and I suspect it doesn't even work as an interim approach until they come up with at least one new idea.

 

[fun]

:lol: Yes maybe he should. Here's the skinny on Trump: he's a pathological liar. He lied to be president. Yes 'they' all do, but not like him. He campaigned on a 'populist' platform of draining the swamp and throwing out illegal drug dealers & rapists / keeping out Muslim migrants/refugees, making Obamacare better and cheaper for 'everybody', at one point, raising taxes for households making >$250K (later dropped), bringing back Mfg jobs, retaining coal mining jobs, vetoing NAFTA, rescinding Transpacific Treaty (did that), clamping down on China, launching a $1trn infrastructure policy, implementing tax 'reform' cutting corporate and high bracket rates, and making life better for the 'forgotten' Americans.
Trump as not 'drained the swamp', he's flooded it.
Not only has nothing major been done, but the steps he has attempted (HC, tax 'reform', aid to families, children, the elderly) have either been punitive to his 'base' (and most middle class and working class citizens), or have been ill-prepared (a 1/2 of a -page tax 'plan' that benefited the mega wealthy).
His cabinet and senior appointments are primarily multi-millionaires and/or integral to the Washington DC Lobby network.
Trump is weakening our ties with NATO and our major European Allies--unprecedented moves that benefit Putin--that thug nd murderer.
His travel ban was hastily drawn, is likely unconstitutional, but also is full of conflicts in the nations it protected (Saudi Arabia!!! Egypt!).
Each day he is president is one more day he violates the Emoluments Clause in the Constitution.
Trump is a disaster for the country--yes, far worse than ANYONE who preceded him.
The man is a disgrace and an embarrassment to the country.
This is not sour grapes. This is the truth.

 

[ErickTheRed]

Boo hoo chi days, here's the skinny.....after eight years of BO and you can take that literally and figuratively the dems couldn't put up a decent candidate, if you think DJT is a liar what the hell do you think Hillary was? Face the facts the dems have gone way to far left and lost their base. You are now a party that has absolutely no direction other then to blame DJT for everything, much like BO did with bush for eight years.

 

[monte]

:lol: Yes maybe he should. Here's the skinny on Trump: he's a pathological liar. He lied to be president. Yes 'they' all do, but not like him. He campaigned on a 'populist' platform of draining the swamp and throwing out illegal drug dealers & rapists / keeping out Muslim migrants/refugees, making Obamacare better and cheaper for 'everybody', at one point, raising taxes for households making >$250K (later dropped), bringing back Mfg jobs, retaining coal mining jobs, vetoing NAFTA, rescinding Transpacific Treaty (did that), clamping down on China, launching a $1trn infrastructure policy, implementing tax 'reform' cutting corporate and high bracket rates, and making life better for the 'forgotten' Americans.
Trump as not 'drained the swamp', he's flooded it.
Not only has nothing major been done, but the steps he has attempted (HC, tax 'reform', aid to families, children, the elderly) have either been punitive to his 'base' (and most middle class and working class citizens), or have been ill-prepared (a 1/2 of a -page tax 'plan' that benefited the mega wealthy).
His cabinet and senior appointments are primarily multi-millionaires and/or integral to the Washington DC Lobby network.
Trump is weakening our ties with NATO and our major European Allies--unprecedented moves that benefit Putin--that thug nd murderer.
His travel ban was hastily drawn, is likely unconstitutional, but also is full of conflicts in the nations it protected (Saudi Arabia!!! Egypt!).
Each day he is president is one more day he violates the Emoluments Clause in the Constitution.
Trump is a disaster for the country--yes, far worse than ANYONE who preceded him.
The man is a disgrace and an embarrassment to the country.
This is not sour grapes. This is the truth.

I mean this in all seriousness: If one or both of my kids behaved that way after an election-any election-I would know that I completely failed as a parent.

 

[Class of 72]

:lol: Yes maybe he should. Here's the skinny on Trump: he's a pathological liar. He lied to be president. Yes 'they' all do, but not like him. He campaigned on a 'populist' platform of draining the swamp and throwing out illegal drug dealers & rapists / keeping out Muslim migrants/refugees, making Obamacare better and cheaper for 'everybody', at one point, raising taxes for households making >$250K (later dropped), bringing back Mfg jobs, retaining coal mining jobs, vetoing NAFTA, rescinding Transpacific Treaty (did that), clamping down on China, launching a $1trn infrastructure policy, implementing tax 'reform' cutting corporate and high bracket rates, and making life better for the 'forgotten' Americans.
Trump as not 'drained the swamp', he's flooded it.
Not only has nothing major been done, but the steps he has attempted (HC, tax 'reform', aid to families, children, the elderly) have either been punitive to his 'base' (and most middle class and working class citizens), or have been ill-prepared (a 1/2 of a -page tax 'plan' that benefited the mega wealthy).
His cabinet and senior appointments are primarily multi-millionaires and/or integral to the Washington DC Lobby network.
Trump is weakening our ties with NATO and our major European Allies--unprecedented moves that benefit Putin--that thug nd murderer.
His travel ban was hastily drawn, is likely unconstitutional, but also is full of conflicts in the nations it protected (Saudi Arabia!!! Egypt!).
Each day he is president is one more day he violates the Emoluments Clause in the Constitution.
Trump is a disaster for the country--yes, far worse than ANYONE who preceded him.
The man is a disgrace and an embarrassment to the country.
This is not sour grapes. This is the truth.

Not a Trump or Hillary supporter but that was HILARIOUS!
Reminded me of the faces of St. John's fans on selection Sunday.

 

[JohnnyFan]

Boo hoo chi days, here's the skinny.....after eight years of BO and you can take that literally and figuratively the dems couldn't put up a decent candidate, if you think DJT is a liar what the hell do you think Hillary was? Face the facts the dems have gone way to far left and lost their base. You are now a party that has absolutely no direction other then to blame DJT for everything, much like BO did with bush for eight years.

You're right, the Republican politicians are better. They took the high road when BO was in office. They would never spend 8 years blaming and obstructing. I remember it just like you.

 

[ErickTheRed]

Johnny, do you remember how many BOs cabinate appointees were put through the non sense the dems have put Trumps? Guess you have a short term memory problem.

 

[JohnnyFan]

Johnny, do you remember how many BOs cabinate appointees were put through the non sense the dems have put Trumps? Guess you have a short term memory problem.

Both democrats and republicans practice the same garbage. If you actually think either side has a conscious or that one side is more responsible than the other, then the joke is on you.

 

[beast of the east]

Question: Are communists, or those espousing sharing the wealth, allowed to become fabulously wealthy in process of espousing those views, and in process, sharing little of their own new found wealth?

If that's the litmus test, few far left liberals are communist. Then again, neither are most communist world leaders

I don't care if they are communists, socialists, Democrats, Republicans or fascist, all I want is that damn swamp in D.C. drained. So far Trump has not done that and we are in a political quagmire. I am pretty sure my fascist candidate Bernie Sanders would have started draining the swamp by now. Heck, even Mussolini was more of a change maker except for aligning with Nazi Germany.
One of the good things Mussolini did was drain the swamps. Maybe Trump should shave his head.

[/quote]

Are you really sure Sanders would have drained the swamp? Even after being conspired against by the dnc and clinton he aligned with her for political gain. F the millions of college students who saw him as a hope, his ridiculous free tuition and all. He had a real opprtunity to come out against the status wuo cheating dnc, but instead he disappointed his base by being a complicit political hack

 

[beast of the east]

Johnny, do you remember how many BOs cabinate appointees were put through the non sense the dems have put Trumps? Guess you have a short term memory problem.

Not to mention bad Obama ran as a Washington outsider then loaded his cabinet and appoint these with the status quo

 

[Class of 72]

Question: Are communists, or those espousing sharing the wealth, allowed to become fabulously wealthy in process of espousing those views, and in process, sharing little of their own new found wealth?

If that's the litmus test, few far left liberals are communist. Then again, neither are most communist world leaders

I don't care if they are communists, socialists, Democrats, Republicans or fascist, all I want is that damn swamp in D.C. drained. So far Trump has not done that and we are in a political quagmire. I am pretty sure my fascist candidate Bernie Sanders would have started draining the swamp by now. Heck, even Mussolini was more of a change maker except for aligning with Nazi Germany.
One of the good things Mussolini did was drain the swamps. Maybe Trump should shave his head.

Are you really sure Sanders would have drained the swamp? Even after being conspired against by the dnc and clinton he aligned with her for political gain. F the millions of college students who saw him as a hope, his ridiculous free tuition and all. He had a real opprtunity to come out against the status wuo cheating dnc, but instead he disappointed his base by being a complicit political hack[/quote]

No I'm not sure of very much when it comes to politics. It's sad when our political parties have become polar opposites and both are very divisive. There was nothing ridiculous about free tuition for "public" tax supported schools. Public schools are free. In most states college tuition at state schools are a fraction of what they charge non residents. They are practically free now with the various grants and other assistance. In states like California they offer education on par with the best privates. Bernie has dedicated outlets to fight the "status quo" unlike Hillary who was just a "political hack". What's done is done and I hope for the best and like our coach I hope Trump learns quickly while on the job.

 

[ErickTheRed]

Sanders lackies live in fantasy world if they believed he would of been any different.

 

[JohnnyFan]

Johnny, do you remember how many BOs cabinate appointees were put through the non sense the dems have put Trumps? Guess you have a short term memory problem.

Not to mention bad Obama ran as a Washington outsider then loaded his cabinet and appoint these with the status quo

Imagine a world where people detested Obama and Clinton so much that they were unable to see (or admit) that incompetence of a different kind was unfolding right before their eyes.

 

[Wolfie]

Love ya, Johnny Fan!

 

[Wolfie]

ETR...you some Nordic Viking Raider type, hey?!? Probably a Raiders fan?!!!!? You're 1000% incorrect. My FACTS are da troot! Trump is a buffoon, dramatically weakening the Western Alliance to benefit Thug Putin, a traitor to his working class base, a pathological liar (check it ETR: he makes Hillary look like Joan of Arc!), a megalomaniac, and a very very (HIS words!) dangerous demagogue.
But kumbaya and mazel tov to ya.
Let's Go Redmen!!!

 

[ErickTheRed]

Actually, negative on your stereotype of the name.......puerto rican, and once again prove my point thank you very much

 

[ErickTheRed]

Enjoy the fantasy island you live on Chi day

 

[beast of the east]

Question: Are communists, or those espousing sharing the wealth, allowed to become fabulously wealthy in process of espousing those views, and in process, sharing little of their own new found wealth?

If that's the litmus test, few far left liberals are communist. Then again, neither are most communist world leaders

I don't care if they are communists, socialists, Democrats, Republicans or fascist, all I want is that damn swamp in D.C. drained. So far Trump has not done that and we are in a political quagmire. I am pretty sure my fascist candidate Bernie Sanders would have started draining the swamp by now. Heck, even Mussolini was more of a change maker except for aligning with Nazi Germany.
One of the good things Mussolini did was drain the swamps. Maybe Trump should shave his head.

Are you really sure Sanders would have drained the swamp? Even after being conspired against by the dnc and clinton he aligned with her for political gain. F the millions of college students who saw him as a hope, his ridiculous free tuition and all. He had a real opprtunity to come out against the status wuo cheating dnc, but instead he disappointed his base by being a complicit political hack

No I'm not sure of very much when it comes to politics. It's sad when our political parties have become polar opposites and both are very divisive. There was nothing ridiculous about free tuition for "public" tax supported schools. Public schools are free. In most states college tuition at state schools are a fraction of what they charge non residents. They are practically free now with the various grants and other assistance. In states like California they offer education on par with the best privates. Bernie has dedicated outlets to fight the "status quo" unlike Hillary who was just a "political hack". What's done is done and I hope for the best and like our coach I hope Trump learns quickly while on the job.[/quote]

I never got the free tuition thing since state colleges are already heavily subsidized by tax dollars and the cost for tuition a fraction of a private education. States such as mn and wi even reciprocate, providing in state tuition rates to each other's residents. My point to current students was, "who do you think will be paying for this if Sander's plan went into effect?" Well, them of course. It was just another entitlement, aimed at securing votes.

 

[monte]

Question: Are communists, or those espousing sharing the wealth, allowed to become fabulously wealthy in process of espousing those views, and in process, sharing little of their own new found wealth?

If that's the litmus test, few far left liberals are communist. Then again, neither are most communist world leaders

I don't care if they are communists, socialists, Democrats, Republicans or fascist, all I want is that damn swamp in D.C. drained. So far Trump has not done that and we are in a political quagmire. I am pretty sure my fascist candidate Bernie Sanders would have started draining the swamp by now. Heck, even Mussolini was more of a change maker except for aligning with Nazi Germany.
One of the good things Mussolini did was drain the swamps. Maybe Trump should shave his head.

Are you really sure Sanders would have drained the swamp? Even after being conspired against by the dnc and clinton he aligned with her for political gain. F the millions of college students who saw him as a hope, his ridiculous free tuition and all. He had a real opprtunity to come out against the status wuo cheating dnc, but instead he disappointed his base by being a complicit political hack

No I'm not sure of very much when it comes to politics. It's sad when our political parties have become polar opposites and both are very divisive. There was nothing ridiculous about free tuition for "public" tax supported schools. Public schools are free. In most states college tuition at state schools are a fraction of what they charge non residents. They are practically free now with the various grants and other assistance. In states like California they offer education on par with the best privates. Bernie has dedicated outlets to fight the "status quo" unlike Hillary who was just a "political hack". What's done is done and I hope for the best and like our coach I hope Trump learns quickly while on the job.

I never got the free tuition thing since state colleges are already heavily subsidized by tax dollars and the cost for tuition a fraction of a private education. States such as mn and wi even reciprocate, providing in state tuition rates to each other's residents. My point to current students was, "who do you think will be paying for this if Sander's plan went into effect?" Well, them of course. It was just another entitlement, aimed at securing votes.[/quote]

Nothing is "free". Eventually the bill comes due, and someone will be left holding the bag. It's like a giant pyramid scheme. But guys like Bernie don't give a damn since they'll be long gone(likely dead) before the shit hits the fan. Those benefiting don't give a damn. Like you said, there is already plenty of financial support available for college education to families that cannot afford it. In NY State there's TAP, amongst other programs, which cover a large chuck of SUNY(8K +) or CUNY(6k+) tuition. But of course there are never enough handout for many of those on the left.

 

[beast of the east]

Question: Are communists, or those espousing sharing the wealth, allowed to become fabulously wealthy in process of espousing those views, and in process, sharing little of their own new found wealth?

If that's the litmus test, few far left liberals are communist. Then again, neither are most communist world leaders

I don't care if they are communists, socialists, Democrats, Republicans or fascist, all I want is that damn swamp in D.C. drained. So far Trump has not done that and we are in a political quagmire. I am pretty sure my fascist candidate Bernie Sanders would have started draining the swamp by now. Heck, even Mussolini was more of a change maker except for aligning with Nazi Germany.
One of the good things Mussolini did was drain the swamps. Maybe Trump should shave his head.

Are you really sure Sanders would have drained the swamp? Even after being conspired against by the dnc and clinton he aligned with her for political gain. F the millions of college students who saw him as a hope, his ridiculous free tuition and all. He had a real opprtunity to come out against the status wuo cheating dnc, but instead he disappointed his base by being a complicit political hack

No I'm not sure of very much when it comes to politics. It's sad when our political parties have become polar opposites and both are very divisive. There was nothing ridiculous about free tuition for "public" tax supported schools. Public schools are free. In most states college tuition at state schools are a fraction of what they charge non residents. They are practically free now with the various grants and other assistance. In states like California they offer education on par with the best privates. Bernie has dedicated outlets to fight the "status quo" unlike Hillary who was just a "political hack". What's done is done and I hope for the best and like our coach I hope Trump learns quickly while on the job.

I never got the free tuition thing since state colleges are already heavily subsidized by tax dollars and the cost for tuition a fraction of a private education. States such as mn and wi even reciprocate, providing in state tuition rates to each other's residents. My point to current students was, "who do you think will be paying for this if Sander's plan went into effect?" Well, them of course. It was just another entitlement, aimed at securing votes.

Nothing is "free". Eventually the bill comes due, and someone will be left holding the bag. It's like a giant pyramid scheme. But guys like Bernie don't give a damn since they'll be long gone(likely dead) before the shit hits the fan. Those benefiting don't give a damn. Like you said, there is already plenty of financial support available for college education to families that cannot afford it. In NY State there's TAP, amongst other programs, which cover a large chuck of SUNY(8K +) or CUNY(6k+) tuition. But of course there are never enough handout for many of those on the left.[/quote/]/

I heard a left wing activist on TV last week railing that Trump and the Republicans were stealing what is theirs. Aggressively arrogant that they deserved free stuff from the government, not as a hand up, but as a hand out. I believe handouts have in them an inherent bias against the recipient. When you create multi generational cycles of poverty and single parent families, you are telling people that they are incapable of breaking free from that and that they should spend their lives nursing on the government's teat.