Nov 8, 2016 - The lesser of two evils?
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Haha ... since I am still well inundated by the flu, I will probably take a more serious and dull line than Fun. I do not know much of Kellyanne's background, her education, her socio-economic status, and her views on feminism. I think Kellyanne Conway to me is emblematic of Tea Party movement, which has been labelled by a number of observers as a women-led grassroots movement. You know the soccer moms, middle class american working women who besides playing a number of roles in US society, also control household accounts and they know when the shit is hitting the fan, threatening them, and the very fabric of their families, or their country. In a way I like the juxtaposition with the swarmy, typical, homogenized liberal feminist uniform and style, singular in their identity ... so I do not need to state the differences.
As you may recall, both the Democrats and mainstream Republicans have particularly demonized and dismissed these women (as well as the overall movement) – calling these women a bunch of sex crazed bimbos, and just plain old mean (this is where the concept of nasty women started) often espoused by the liberal feminist. Much to the demonization invented, and to the consternation of the liberal feminists thrust on these women collectivized them to spur on and claim life for themselves, on their terms, no matter who they are: pro-choice and pro-life, Christian and not, poor and rich, black, white, gay and straight. In a way, these women are an embodiment of fear for the current liberal feminist ideology, which needs straw-women enemies to beat up and belittle to feel good about itself, while instigating deep societal gender divisions as real. Do note that under Obama’s administration, organizations representing the Tea Party movement and led by women often were targeted, spied on and harassed by the FBI and the IRS (for more information see the IRS scandal, swept under the table by DoJ, and why the DoJ is also in line for reform).
Over to Fun ...
Extremely interesting, well thought out discourse. From my vantage point, the real issue is much more basic and primal; it is globalism vs. nationalism; it is rule by the elite vs. rule by the people; it is basically, was America a grand experiment damned from the beginning to fail because of the relentless urge of the few to tell the many how to live, or the many finally taking control in this country at least once and for all. We are at a serious nexus point deciding whether this country changes from a democratic republic to a socialist state with an elite ruling global government to follow.
Not in accordance with Ricardo's theory of free trade comparative advantage, which is solid but has a killer assumption, the empirical evidence simply points out against Globalism. The evidence shows the relative costs change and investments tend to run out of respective nations, depriving the citizenry and extremely benefitting the investors. It is a major misrepresentation to call Bannon's concept of economic nationalism, as white nationalism. It is simply a euphemism for anti-Globalization.
But bear in mind the Globalization is not only about trade and inter-national trade connectivity. It entails overall global governance about global rules of finance, climate, economic and social development, culture and identity. In the later, the concept of the global citizen tends to marginalize national identities towards a homogeneous whole. Yet ironically enough, as where my discussion with Fun was heading, disintegration and deep division at the sub-national identities level ... witness the isolation of the white conservative ...
Much of this thread has veered in to a level of economic analysis way beyond my skill set. However, I get the sense that much of it relates to a set of beliefs based on a zero-sum model. I think much of what is going on today involves resistance to new energy technologies that will greatly disadvantage certain energy extraction based old industries and severely disempower energy extraction based economies like those in Russia, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Venezuela, Nigeria, etc. The new energy technologies not only create new energy sources but recycle vast amounts of waste and byproduct in to energy (including CO2 and methane). Adds to extraction cost but offsets with additional return on recycled and recaptured energy producing byproducts. Vladimir may have to learn how to say please and thank you.
What you are saying, makes imminent sense but sadly enough, and you find this fact truly surprising is that fight between big oil and renewables is largely a myth, a distraction to show that the enemy is folding but have a very close look at the major renewable companies, I suggest start by googling Shell Oil and wind power or other renewables. Think about diversifying my energy business, capturing more and more of the market, while the greens adore your commitment to climate change. What im saying overall is, and this is related to Bannons concept of economic nationalism, is that the concept of a nation or nation-state is becoming almost meaningless. An infinitesimally small group of people keep consolidating power and, I believe, couldnt case less about their countries or the citizens...
As Norton opined "I'm just a hangnail on the fickle finger of fate." ... incredibly profound, and as I know your insights are Mr. Fuscia.
wouldnt you like to have a subsidy of $5 billion ... there is no way these guys lose ...
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Again, I get down to basics; to me Globalization is about one thing and one thing only, control and rule. Socialism communism, totalitarianism, fascism, call it what you want. With all due respect, all the analysis in the world is meaningless to the left's only goal; control and rule. I admire how quickly they re-grouped after losing the election but to me, it only points out how very dangerous they are. They still control the media and that is a huge thing; that combined with the desire of the vast majority of sitting congressman in both parties to block Trump, has in my mind, clearly established the battle lines. I prided myself on being Independent, I voted for Clinton once, Bush once, Obama once. But in the end they are peas of the same pod, and call me alt right, call me Conservative, call me a white nationalist, call me whatever but to me, anyone who doesn't understand we are in a war is just kidding themselves.
I call you incapable of seeing that your adversary not only has not regrouped but is reduced to whining and name calling with no new policy initiatives that will win back the voters they lost and who elected Trump. Picture a helpless child deprived of a lollypop just before dinner having a tantrum and screaming at their parent "you are a meanie". Trump's problem is not with the left. It is with the Republican power brokers who expect their wealth to be duly appreciated and preserved and their distaste for Russia to be accommodated. As I wrote just after the inauguration, when the Republican establishment demands that Trump implement a "Night of the Long Knives" what will Bannon do to stop it
I call you incapable of reading an entire thread - "the vast majority of sitting congressman in both parties to block Trump". How many of Trumps appointees have been approved? How quickly did the left tie his hands on his immigration executive order? As per the Obama / Lynch "directive" of January 3, 2017 opening up the agencies to whom SIGNET conversations would be provided from 1 to 16 knowing they could ensnare Flynn because they knew he had been taped in discussions with Russians. Increasing the agencies to whom the data was available certainly made it easier to leak and harder to trace the leaker. In which, incidentally, the only people breaking the law was the intelligence personnel who illegally taped Flynn because the law clearly states taping is for foreign nationals only but must stop when an American citizen speaks. Flynn was fired for lying to Pence, not because he did anything illegal but how was that played in the leftist controlled media? They camethisclose to their goal of having the US become a one party country and socializing the nation, have proven since the election they have no respect for free election results, the American people, or the rule of law. Trump has few allies in DC in either party, apart from his inner circle and he is going to try and dismantle an enormous machine of professional politicians and bureaucrats hell bent on preserving their way of life. It is the wise person who does not underestimate an opponent. Mock the left all you want, but underestimating them is foolish.
Yes, you wrote that after the inauguration and it's just as silly today as it was then. Trump's problem is with the left, because the left wants to delegitimize him and his policies and his base and has the power to do so. To the extent that the moneyed patrician right - the Bushes and Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell and the BBB - is dissatisfied Trump can buy them off with compromises on immigration and the military budget and otherwise tell them to piss off - which his base will love it. The Never Trump right is statistically negligible and intellectually barren and politically impotent: no one cares what Bill Kristol thinks and with good reason. But the left has the bully pulpit, in the media and in the arts and in academia. Consider: Richard Nixon did nothing that every president before him didn't do (see also Victor Lasky's It Didn't Start With Watergate); the second article of impeachment for example accused him of using the IRS to target his enemies, which when it happened under Obama elicited a yawn from the media. That incessant drum beat that Satan is afoot is the real danger to Trump, who's a benign squishy moderate on most issues. It would be suicidal for republicans to assassinate him politically, whereas the democrats - facing 10 or 20 years in the wilderness after Trump and then Pence - have absolutely nothing, zero, to lose and everything to gain.
Where I thought Fuchsia was making an important point was that the left - though highly adept and diversely powerful - is not completely free of vulnerability despite their arrogance. Coming closer to the elections, the level of arrogance must have reached orgasmic proportion with dismissive statements like "You're supporters are those dumb f*** deplorable, and we don't even fart in their general direction" ... Seeing the win from the point of view of a (white) working class movement - where the liberal top 20 per-centers were picnicking and completely aloof of what really was unfolding - the biggest FUs in the history of FUs was delivered by a class that has barely one democratic weapon at their disposal. And this i feel should give us some hope witnessing the reeling left (particularly their foot soldiers).
Season will be over by March 11 unfortunately. No March madness for us just the usual March sadness.Thanked you for your last post Ez even though once again it is game time.
im listening on podcast but can only watch a game next week BET, and I am out of the country till 11 March but possible to watch from South Africa.
In my opinion, it was his best speaking performance to date. For one hour last night, I actually felt like a sane individual was the president. For once, he did not make it about himself. He spoke for over an hour and did not even mention the fake and unfair Media, or his YUGE election victory, or his record inauguration attendance.
Of course, there was little policy detail, but that is to be expected for this type of speech. To be clear, I continue to have great disdain for the man. However, it is performances like last night that will give Republican congressmen some breathing room. Instead of having to get on TV and make excuses for him, they can sell conservative policy.
Score one for the deplorable
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