Nov 8, 2016 - The lesser of two evils?

[Spocky Ramone]

[I just think there was a 0 % chance he chose those countries because he didnt do business in them

"The seven Muslim-majority countries targeted in President Trump's executive order on immigration were initially identified as "countries of concern" under the Obama administration."

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/29/politics/how-the-trump-administration-chose-the-7-countries/

Oh, then it's ok then...

 

[Spocky Ramone]

I really hate this topic. I know that I can filter it out but it is easier for me to hit recent topics and with a lot of time to kill, I like reading everything, but prefer reading about lobster rolls, bets people make, and even where people are sending their kids to high school and college. I even prefer reading about Fun's view of politics in his game write ups because there is some humor and hot women to look at. I enjoy when JSJ, Beast of the East, Monte and others post articles about the university, business and education which can be civilly discussed.

I know that others enjoy posting about Donald and Hillary and at times I have been lured in but I wish we would enough games and sign enough recruits to keep people focused on what makes this website great, a distraction from the real world and it's angry arguments.

So carry on as I am just one person and the board is much bigger then me but as it is hard enough to have civility when debating Mussini and Ellison it is nearly impossible when debating Hillary and Donald.

Not a lobster roll but how about Lobster Ceviche and some grilled lobster tails I had in Cuba a couple of weeks ago


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I'm shocked to see a beer in the last picture!

 

[JohnnyFan]

So, yesterday I had the pleasure of meeting a few more Redmen.comers. As expected, a seemingly great bunch of guys with whom I would share many laughs. I would also imagine that any poster taking the time to torture themselves in this thread is likely well informed and recognizes that CNN, MSNBC, and Fox are all full of $4it! and are undeniably driven by a definitive political agenda.

I also recognize that neither side is going to change their mind (yet). So my hope, is that conservatives can begin to assess Trump in terms of Trump; and not in terms if Hillary or Bill or Obama. I disliked Hillary as a candidate and voted for her strictly from a "Never [strike]Hitler[/strike] Trump" perspective.

So, I ask......what is the purpose of cutting out key military and intelligence officials from the National Security Council? I have my own ideas, but I would love if someone else could weigh-in, without countering with Bill, Barack, Hillary, Herman, Jah, or Valerie. It's not about them anymore.

I voted for him but I agree with you on this and I'll admit I don't really like the fact that he did that and thought it was strange. I don't care so much that he brings Bannon into this but I don't know why he pulled them out even if they say they can still attend for meetings that pertain them

On a separate note since you mentioned the media ( and I agree with you they all have an agenda ) the thing that drives me crazy sometimes with them was this past weekend with the travel ban thing.

Trump does what he does and the next thing I see is the media and then some of my friends who hate Trump all suggesting that he chose those 7 because his company didnt do business with. them

The media failed to mention though that there are something like 50 freaking countries with large muslim populations and only a handful I think he does have business ties in and that out of those 7 countries on the list ( which was the exact list from a couple of years ago ) I'm not even sure that US companies are allowed to do business with at least 5 of them.

And if anyone were to think about it rationally if Trump is alienating certain Muslim countries then other Muslims are going to get pissed off from countries not affected by the ban because they are going to think it's an attack on all of them and then that's going to hurtt the marketability of the Trump brand anyway. So in essence Trump is hurting his own brand worldwide by his decision

I could get on board with enhanced vetting. However, whether you want to admit it or not, Trump's roll out here was very poor. He admittedly did not consult the Department of Homeland Security or the Justice Department. He did not brief republican lawmakers, who could have been allies in winning public/media support. I think Trump needs to understand that, despite being president, he does need to collaborate. For now, the guy couldn't operate in a more divisive manner if he tried.

I totally agree he could and should have handled it better. I just think there was a 0 % chance he chose those countries because he didnt do business in them

I agree with you. I don't think his businesses were a motive. But here it is again, by defiantly refusing to disclose his tax returns, he opens himself up for this stuff. Trump's my-way-or-the-highway approach helped him win the election. However, it will also create enormous headwinds while governing.

Now, I will REALLY blow your mind......I don't think I have ever tried a lobster roll.

 

[mjmaherjr]

So, yesterday I had the pleasure of meeting a few more Redmen.comers. As expected, a seemingly great bunch of guys with whom I would share many laughs. I would also imagine that any poster taking the time to torture themselves in this thread is likely well informed and recognizes that CNN, MSNBC, and Fox are all full of $4it! and are undeniably driven by a definitive political agenda.

I also recognize that neither side is going to change their mind (yet). So my hope, is that conservatives can begin to assess Trump in terms of Trump; and not in terms if Hillary or Bill or Obama. I disliked Hillary as a candidate and voted for her strictly from a "Never [strike]Hitler[/strike] Trump" perspective.

So, I ask......what is the purpose of cutting out key military and intelligence officials from the National Security Council? I have my own ideas, but I would love if someone else could weigh-in, without countering with Bill, Barack, Hillary, Herman, Jah, or Valerie. It's not about them anymore.

I voted for him but I agree with you on this and I'll admit I don't really like the fact that he did that and thought it was strange. I don't care so much that he brings Bannon into this but I don't know why he pulled them out even if they say they can still attend for meetings that pertain them

On a separate note since you mentioned the media ( and I agree with you they all have an agenda ) the thing that drives me crazy sometimes with them was this past weekend with the travel ban thing.

Trump does what he does and the next thing I see is the media and then some of my friends who hate Trump all suggesting that he chose those 7 because his company didnt do business with. them

The media failed to mention though that there are something like 50 freaking countries with large muslim populations and only a handful I think he does have business ties in and that out of those 7 countries on the list ( which was the exact list from a couple of years ago ) I'm not even sure that US companies are allowed to do business with at least 5 of them.

And if anyone were to think about it rationally if Trump is alienating certain Muslim countries then other Muslims are going to get pissed off from countries not affected by the ban because they are going to think it's an attack on all of them and then that's going to hurtt the marketability of the Trump brand anyway. So in essence Trump is hurting his own brand worldwide by his decision

I could get on board with enhanced vetting. However, whether you want to admit it or not, Trump's roll out here was very poor. He admittedly did not consult the Department of Homeland Security or the Justice Department. He did not brief republican lawmakers, who could have been allies in winning public/media support. I think Trump needs to understand that, despite being president, he does need to collaborate. For now, the guy couldn't operate in a more divisive manner if he tried.

I totally agree he could and should have handled it better. I just think there was a 0 % chance he chose those countries because he didnt do business in them

I agree with you. I don't think his businesses were a motive. But here it is again, by defiantly refusing to disclose his tax returns, he opens himself up for this stuff. Trump's my-way-or-the-highway approach helped him win the election. However, it will also create enormous headwinds while governing.

Now, I will REALLY blow your mind......I don't think I have ever tried a lobster roll.

what ? !!! Haven't tried a lobster roll ? !! Holy cow that might be grounds for deportation.

Sally Yates just got fired by Trump btw

 

[beast of the east]

So, yesterday I had the pleasure of meeting a few more Redmen.comers. As expected, a seemingly great bunch of guys with whom I would share many laughs. I would also imagine that any poster taking the time to torture themselves in this thread is likely well informed and recognizes that CNN, MSNBC, and Fox are all full of $4it! and are undeniably driven by a definitive political agenda.

I also recognize that neither side is going to change their mind (yet). So my hope, is that conservatives can begin to assess Trump in terms of Trump; and not in terms if Hillary or Bill or Obama. I disliked Hillary as a candidate and voted for her strictly from a "Never [strike]Hitler[/strike] Trump" perspective.

So, I ask......what is the purpose of cutting out key military and intelligence officials from the National Security Council? I have my own ideas, but I would love if someone else could weigh-in, without countering with Bill, Barack, Hillary, Herman, Jah, or Valerie. It's not about them anymore.

Our dependence upon foreign energy hasn't changed a bit.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikepat...on-foreign-oil-hits-30-year-low/#3df17fe1741f

Thanks for the correction. Of course everyone knows our own production is up. Obama, if you recall, crowed about it during the 2012 campaign. However, what he neglected to say is that in addition to killing the keystone pipeline, he denied all domestic drilling permits during his term. The increased production was, as the article pointed out, the result of technology, but also because of the Bush issued permits. What I really intended to say is that we haven't really decreased our dependence upon fossil fuels in favor alternative energy sources, a big Obama initiative. Expect to see Trump issue more drilling permits and also I believe we will see fracking in the US, further decreasing our dependence upon petroleum.

 

[monte]

So, yesterday I had the pleasure of meeting a few more Redmen.comers. As expected, a seemingly great bunch of guys with whom I would share many laughs. I would also imagine that any poster taking the time to torture themselves in this thread is likely well informed and recognizes that CNN, MSNBC, and Fox are all full of $4it! and are undeniably driven by a definitive political agenda.

I also recognize that neither side is going to change their mind (yet). So my hope, is that conservatives can begin to assess Trump in terms of Trump; and not in terms if Hillary or Bill or Obama. I disliked Hillary as a candidate and voted for her strictly from a "Never [strike]Hitler[/strike] Trump" perspective.

So, I ask......what is the purpose of cutting out key military and intelligence officials from the National Security Council? I have my own ideas, but I would love if someone else could weigh-in, without countering with Bill, Barack, Hillary, Herman, Jah, or Valerie. It's not about them anymore.

I voted for him but I agree with you on this and I'll admit I don't really like the fact that he did that and thought it was strange. I don't care so much that he brings Bannon into this but I don't know why he pulled them out even if they say they can still attend for meetings that pertain them

On a separate note since you mentioned the media ( and I agree with you they all have an agenda ) the thing that drives me crazy sometimes with them was this past weekend with the travel ban thing.

Trump does what he does and the next thing I see is the media and then some of my friends who hate Trump all suggesting that he chose those 7 because his company didnt do business with. them

The media failed to mention though that there are something like 50 freaking countries with large muslim populations and only a handful I think he does have business ties in and that out of those 7 countries on the list ( which was the exact list from a couple of years ago ) I'm not even sure that US companies are allowed to do business with at least 5 of them.

And if anyone were to think about it rationally if Trump is alienating certain Muslim countries then other Muslims are going to get pissed off from countries not affected by the ban because they are going to think it's an attack on all of them and then that's going to hurtt the marketability of the Trump brand anyway. So in essence Trump is hurting his own brand worldwide by his decision

I could get on board with enhanced vetting. However, whether you want to admit it or not, Trump's roll out here was very poor. He admittedly did not consult the Department of Homeland Security or the Justice Department. He did not brief republican lawmakers, who could have been allies in winning public/media support. I think Trump needs to understand that, despite being president, he does need to collaborate. For now, the guy couldn't operate in a more divisive manner if he tried.

I totally agree he could and should have handled it better. I just think there was a 0 % chance he chose those countries because he didnt do business in them

I agree with you. I don't think his businesses were a motive. But here it is again, by defiantly refusing to disclose his tax returns, he opens himself up for this stuff. Trump's my-way-or-the-highway approach helped him win the election. However, it will also create enormous headwinds while governing.

Now, I will REALLY blow your mind......I don't think I have ever tried a lobster roll.

what ? !!! Haven't tried a lobster roll ? !! Holy cow that might be grounds for deportation.

Sally Yates just got fired by Trump btw

Well deserved. No room for insubordination anywhere, let alone at that level of Goverment.

 

[beast of the east]

So, yesterday I had the pleasure of meeting a few more Redmen.comers. As expected, a seemingly great bunch of guys with whom I would share many laughs. I would also imagine that any poster taking the time to torture themselves in this thread is likely well informed and recognizes that CNN, MSNBC, and Fox are all full of $4it! and are undeniably driven by a definitive political agenda.

I also recognize that neither side is going to change their mind (yet). So my hope, is that conservatives can begin to assess Trump in terms of Trump; and not in terms if Hillary or Bill or Obama. I disliked Hillary as a candidate and voted for her strictly from a "Never [strike]Hitler[/strike] Trump" perspective.

So, I ask......what is the purpose of cutting out key military and intelligence officials from the National Security Council? I have my own ideas, but I would love if someone else could weigh-in, without countering with Bill, Barack, Hillary, Herman, Jah, or Valerie. It's not about them anymore.

I voted for him but I agree with you on this and I'll admit I don't really like the fact that he did that and thought it was strange. I don't care so much that he brings Bannon into this but I don't know why he pulled them out even if they say they can still attend for meetings that pertain them

On a separate note since you mentioned the media ( and I agree with you they all have an agenda ) the thing that drives me crazy sometimes with them was this past weekend with the travel ban thing.

Trump does what he does and the next thing I see is the media and then some of my friends who hate Trump all suggesting that he chose those 7 because his company didnt do business with. them

The media failed to mention though that there are something like 50 freaking countries with large muslim populations and only a handful I think he does have business ties in and that out of those 7 countries on the list ( which was the exact list from a couple of years ago ) I'm not even sure that US companies are allowed to do business with at least 5 of them.

And if anyone were to think about it rationally if Trump is alienating certain Muslim countries then other Muslims are going to get pissed off from countries not affected by the ban because they are going to think it's an attack on all of them and then that's going to hurtt the marketability of the Trump brand anyway. So in essence Trump is hurting his own brand worldwide by his decision

I could get on board with enhanced vetting. However, whether you want to admit it or not, Trump's roll out here was very poor. He admittedly did not consult the Department of Homeland Security or the Justice Department. He did not brief republican lawmakers, who could have been allies in winning public/media support. I think Trump needs to understand that, despite being president, he does need to collaborate. For now, the guy couldn't operate in a more divisive manner if he tried.

I totally agree he could and should have handled it better. I just think there was a 0 % chance he chose those countries because he didnt do business in them

I agree with you. I don't think his businesses were a motive. But here it is again, by defiantly refusing to disclose his tax returns, he opens himself up for this stuff. Trump's my-way-or-the-highway approach helped him win the election. However, it will also create enormous headwinds while governing.

Now, I will REALLY blow your mind......I don't think I have ever tried a lobster roll.

what ? !!! Haven't tried a lobster roll ? !! Holy cow that might be grounds for deportation.

Sally Yates just got fired by Trump btw

Well deserved. No room for insubordination anywhere, let alone at that level of Goverment.

If you noticed, Schumer couldn't contain the smile on his face as he announced Yates was fired and defended her record. No crocodile tears then for Chuckie. I believe in a Rasmussen survey, 60% of Americans support the temporary restrictions on travel, but to watch the mainstream media, you would believe the response is 100% the other way.

Bobby G. should stay out of politics. Any student who hails from affected countries can stay put for 3 months - especially since school is in session.

 

[monte]

So, yesterday I had the pleasure of meeting a few more Redmen.comers. As expected, a seemingly great bunch of guys with whom I would share many laughs. I would also imagine that any poster taking the time to torture themselves in this thread is likely well informed and recognizes that CNN, MSNBC, and Fox are all full of $4it! and are undeniably driven by a definitive political agenda.

I also recognize that neither side is going to change their mind (yet). So my hope, is that conservatives can begin to assess Trump in terms of Trump; and not in terms if Hillary or Bill or Obama. I disliked Hillary as a candidate and voted for her strictly from a "Never [strike]Hitler[/strike] Trump" perspective.

So, I ask......what is the purpose of cutting out key military and intelligence officials from the National Security Council? I have my own ideas, but I would love if someone else could weigh-in, without countering with Bill, Barack, Hillary, Herman, Jah, or Valerie. It's not about them anymore.

I voted for him but I agree with you on this and I'll admit I don't really like the fact that he did that and thought it was strange. I don't care so much that he brings Bannon into this but I don't know why he pulled them out even if they say they can still attend for meetings that pertain them

On a separate note since you mentioned the media ( and I agree with you they all have an agenda ) the thing that drives me crazy sometimes with them was this past weekend with the travel ban thing.

Trump does what he does and the next thing I see is the media and then some of my friends who hate Trump all suggesting that he chose those 7 because his company didnt do business with. them

The media failed to mention though that there are something like 50 freaking countries with large muslim populations and only a handful I think he does have business ties in and that out of those 7 countries on the list ( which was the exact list from a couple of years ago ) I'm not even sure that US companies are allowed to do business with at least 5 of them.

And if anyone were to think about it rationally if Trump is alienating certain Muslim countries then other Muslims are going to get pissed off from countries not affected by the ban because they are going to think it's an attack on all of them and then that's going to hurtt the marketability of the Trump brand anyway. So in essence Trump is hurting his own brand worldwide by his decision

I could get on board with enhanced vetting. However, whether you want to admit it or not, Trump's roll out here was very poor. He admittedly did not consult the Department of Homeland Security or the Justice Department. He did not brief republican lawmakers, who could have been allies in winning public/media support. I think Trump needs to understand that, despite being president, he does need to collaborate. For now, the guy couldn't operate in a more divisive manner if he tried.

I totally agree he could and should have handled it better. I just think there was a 0 % chance he chose those countries because he didnt do business in them

I agree with you. I don't think his businesses were a motive. But here it is again, by defiantly refusing to disclose his tax returns, he opens himself up for this stuff. Trump's my-way-or-the-highway approach helped him win the election. However, it will also create enormous headwinds while governing.

Now, I will REALLY blow your mind......I don't think I have ever tried a lobster roll.

what ? !!! Haven't tried a lobster roll ? !! Holy cow that might be grounds for deportation.

Sally Yates just got fired by Trump btw

Well deserved. No room for insubordination anywhere, let alone at that level of Goverment.

If you noticed, Schumer couldn't contain the smile on his face as he announced Yates was fired and defended her record. No crocodile tears then for Chuckie. I believe in a Rasmussen survey, 60% of Americans support the temporary restrictions on travel, but to watch the mainstream media, you would believe the response is 100% the other way.

Bobby G. should stay out of politics. Any student who hails from affected countries can stay put for 3 months - especially since school is in session.

Many on the left mistake a "right" for a "privilege". Being permitted in to this country if you do not have proper documentation is not a "right", it's a "privilege". But of course so many on the left, and so many in the left-controlled media, are trying to portray it that way. Is this being handled as well as it could be? Probably not. Is this being handled as poorly as some would want us to believe? Definitely not!

 

[logen]

I believe many here are completely missing the point. This is not really an American issue between Conservative and Liberal, Republican or Democrat, etc. At play is whether countries keep their national identities or relinquish that identity to the globalist movement. The left in this country over the last few decades have slowly and methodically taken over the education system and the media and obviously have done it t least as effectively in Europe. That is our reality; the left camethisclose to getting Clinton elected, opening our borders, continuing policies of making people dependent on the government and forever changing us as a one party country. Trump's election blew up their reality, which was that they were THERE and the biggest domino, the US, was going to fall. That is why DC has to be cleaned out if we are to survive as a Republic, many of the Republicans in Washington are as invested in the globalist movement as are Democrats. So there is no logic, no common sense, no objectivity to the resistance to Trump; he and all the "deplorables" are the enemy and every effort must be made to create roadblocks to his success, taint all that he does. Trump is doing all that he said he would do, the policies that got him elected, more so than any President I can remember. But that doesn't matter to the opposition, because the rule of law or the democratic process means nothing to them.

 

[fuchsia]

So, yesterday I had the pleasure of meeting a few more Redmen.comers. As expected, a seemingly great bunch of guys with whom I would share many laughs. I would also imagine that any poster taking the time to torture themselves in this thread is likely well informed and recognizes that CNN, MSNBC, and Fox are all full of $4it! and are undeniably driven by a definitive political agenda.

I also recognize that neither side is going to change their mind (yet). So my hope, is that conservatives can begin to assess Trump in terms of Trump; and not in terms if Hillary or Bill or Obama. I disliked Hillary as a candidate and voted for her strictly from a "Never [strike]Hitler[/strike] Trump" perspective.

So, I ask......what is the purpose of cutting out key military and intelligence officials from the National Security Council? I have my own ideas, but I would love if someone else could weigh-in, without countering with Bill, Barack, Hillary, Herman, Jah, or Valerie. It's not about them anymore.

I voted for him but I agree with you on this and I'll admit I don't really like the fact that he did that and thought it was strange. I don't care so much that he brings Bannon into this but I don't know why he pulled them out even if they say they can still attend for meetings that pertain them

On a separate note since you mentioned the media ( and I agree with you they all have an agenda ) the thing that drives me crazy sometimes with them was this past weekend with the travel ban thing.

Trump does what he does and the next thing I see is the media and then some of my friends who hate Trump all suggesting that he chose those 7 because his company didnt do business with. them

The media failed to mention though that there are something like 50 freaking countries with large muslim populations and only a handful I think he does have business ties in and that out of those 7 countries on the list ( which was the exact list from a couple of years ago ) I'm not even sure that US companies are allowed to do business with at least 5 of them.

And if anyone were to think about it rationally if Trump is alienating certain Muslim countries then other Muslims are going to get pissed off from countries not affected by the ban because they are going to think it's an attack on all of them and then that's going to hurtt the marketability of the Trump brand anyway. So in essence Trump is hurting his own brand worldwide by his decision

I could get on board with enhanced vetting. However, whether you want to admit it or not, Trump's roll out here was very poor. He admittedly did not consult the Department of Homeland Security or the Justice Department. He did not brief republican lawmakers, who could have been allies in winning public/media support. I think Trump needs to understand that, despite being president, he does need to collaborate. For now, the guy couldn't operate in a more divisive manner if he tried.

I totally agree he could and should have handled it better. I just think there was a 0 % chance he chose those countries because he didnt do business in them

I agree with you. I don't think his businesses were a motive. But here it is again, by defiantly refusing to disclose his tax returns, he opens himself up for this stuff. Trump's my-way-or-the-highway approach helped him win the election. However, it will also create enormous headwinds while governing.

Now, I will REALLY blow your mind......I don't think I have ever tried a lobster roll.

what ? !!! Haven't tried a lobster roll ? !! Holy cow that might be grounds for deportation.

Sally Yates just got fired by Trump btw

Well deserved. No room for insubordination anywhere, let alone at that level of Goverment.

If you noticed, Schumer couldn't contain the smile on his face as he announced Yates was fired and defended her record. No crocodile tears then for Chuckie. I believe in a Rasmussen survey, 60% of Americans support the temporary restrictions on travel, but to watch the mainstream media, you would believe the response is 100% the other way.

Bobby G. should stay out of politics. Any student who hails from affected countries can stay put for 3 months - especially since school is in session.

Beastie, I disagree. Life happens and a STJ student being put in to a class of people with diminished rights based on faith or country of origin is of direct concern to President Gempesaw. Parents get sick, families have economic crises. Kid sisters drive their Fiat in to a ditch. There are real people affected who are members of the STJ community.

 

[monte]

So, yesterday I had the pleasure of meeting a few more Redmen.comers. As expected, a seemingly great bunch of guys with whom I would share many laughs. I would also imagine that any poster taking the time to torture themselves in this thread is likely well informed and recognizes that CNN, MSNBC, and Fox are all full of $4it! and are undeniably driven by a definitive political agenda.

I also recognize that neither side is going to change their mind (yet). So my hope, is that conservatives can begin to assess Trump in terms of Trump; and not in terms if Hillary or Bill or Obama. I disliked Hillary as a candidate and voted for her strictly from a "Never [strike]Hitler[/strike] Trump" perspective.

So, I ask......what is the purpose of cutting out key military and intelligence officials from the National Security Council? I have my own ideas, but I would love if someone else could weigh-in, without countering with Bill, Barack, Hillary, Herman, Jah, or Valerie. It's not about them anymore.

I voted for him but I agree with you on this and I'll admit I don't really like the fact that he did that and thought it was strange. I don't care so much that he brings Bannon into this but I don't know why he pulled them out even if they say they can still attend for meetings that pertain them

On a separate note since you mentioned the media ( and I agree with you they all have an agenda ) the thing that drives me crazy sometimes with them was this past weekend with the travel ban thing.

Trump does what he does and the next thing I see is the media and then some of my friends who hate Trump all suggesting that he chose those 7 because his company didnt do business with. them

The media failed to mention though that there are something like 50 freaking countries with large muslim populations and only a handful I think he does have business ties in and that out of those 7 countries on the list ( which was the exact list from a couple of years ago ) I'm not even sure that US companies are allowed to do business with at least 5 of them.

And if anyone were to think about it rationally if Trump is alienating certain Muslim countries then other Muslims are going to get pissed off from countries not affected by the ban because they are going to think it's an attack on all of them and then that's going to hurtt the marketability of the Trump brand anyway. So in essence Trump is hurting his own brand worldwide by his decision

I could get on board with enhanced vetting. However, whether you want to admit it or not, Trump's roll out here was very poor. He admittedly did not consult the Department of Homeland Security or the Justice Department. He did not brief republican lawmakers, who could have been allies in winning public/media support. I think Trump needs to understand that, despite being president, he does need to collaborate. For now, the guy couldn't operate in a more divisive manner if he tried.

I totally agree he could and should have handled it better. I just think there was a 0 % chance he chose those countries because he didnt do business in them

I agree with you. I don't think his businesses were a motive. But here it is again, by defiantly refusing to disclose his tax returns, he opens himself up for this stuff. Trump's my-way-or-the-highway approach helped him win the election. However, it will also create enormous headwinds while governing.

Now, I will REALLY blow your mind......I don't think I have ever tried a lobster roll.

what ? !!! Haven't tried a lobster roll ? !! Holy cow that might be grounds for deportation.

Sally Yates just got fired by Trump btw

Well deserved. No room for insubordination anywhere, let alone at that level of Goverment.

If you noticed, Schumer couldn't contain the smile on his face as he announced Yates was fired and defended her record. No crocodile tears then for Chuckie. I believe in a Rasmussen survey, 60% of Americans support the temporary restrictions on travel, but to watch the mainstream media, you would believe the response is 100% the other way.

Bobby G. should stay out of politics. Any student who hails from affected countries can stay put for 3 months - especially since school is in session.

Beastie, I disagree. Life happens and a STJ student being put in to a class of people with diminished rights based on faith or country of origin is of direct concern to President Gempesaw. Parents get sick, families have economic crises. Kid sisters drive their Fiat in to a ditch. There are real people affected who are members of the STJ community.

I hear you Fuschia, and there are certainly some glitches that need to be worked out, but is this something that is effecting a large segment of the student body? So much so that the President found the need to take a public position on a national security matter? Or is he just jumping on the bandwagon based on misinformation, as so many others have done? Sure as hell sounds like selective criticism to me. My guess is that there would be no such statement issued if it were anyone but Trump implementing this.

 

[beast of the east]

So, yesterday I had the pleasure of meeting a few more Redmen.comers. As expected, a seemingly great bunch of guys with whom I would share many laughs. I would also imagine that any poster taking the time to torture themselves in this thread is likely well informed and recognizes that CNN, MSNBC, and Fox are all full of $4it! and are undeniably driven by a definitive political agenda.

I also recognize that neither side is going to change their mind (yet). So my hope, is that conservatives can begin to assess Trump in terms of Trump; and not in terms if Hillary or Bill or Obama. I disliked Hillary as a candidate and voted for her strictly from a "Never [strike]Hitler[/strike] Trump" perspective.

So, I ask......what is the purpose of cutting out key military and intelligence officials from the National Security Council? I have my own ideas, but I would love if someone else could weigh-in, without countering with Bill, Barack, Hillary, Herman, Jah, or Valerie. It's not about them anymore.

I voted for him but I agree with you on this and I'll admit I don't really like the fact that he did that and thought it was strange. I don't care so much that he brings Bannon into this but I don't know why he pulled them out even if they say they can still attend for meetings that pertain them

On a separate note since you mentioned the media ( and I agree with you they all have an agenda ) the thing that drives me crazy sometimes with them was this past weekend with the travel ban thing.

Trump does what he does and the next thing I see is the media and then some of my friends who hate Trump all suggesting that he chose those 7 because his company didnt do business with. them

The media failed to mention though that there are something like 50 freaking countries with large muslim populations and only a handful I think he does have business ties in and that out of those 7 countries on the list ( which was the exact list from a couple of years ago ) I'm not even sure that US companies are allowed to do business with at least 5 of them.

And if anyone were to think about it rationally if Trump is alienating certain Muslim countries then other Muslims are going to get pissed off from countries not affected by the ban because they are going to think it's an attack on all of them and then that's going to hurtt the marketability of the Trump brand anyway. So in essence Trump is hurting his own brand worldwide by his decision

I could get on board with enhanced vetting. However, whether you want to admit it or not, Trump's roll out here was very poor. He admittedly did not consult the Department of Homeland Security or the Justice Department. He did not brief republican lawmakers, who could have been allies in winning public/media support. I think Trump needs to understand that, despite being president, he does need to collaborate. For now, the guy couldn't operate in a more divisive manner if he tried.

I totally agree he could and should have handled it better. I just think there was a 0 % chance he chose those countries because he didnt do business in them

I agree with you. I don't think his businesses were a motive. But here it is again, by defiantly refusing to disclose his tax returns, he opens himself up for this stuff. Trump's my-way-or-the-highway approach helped him win the election. However, it will also create enormous headwinds while governing.

Now, I will REALLY blow your mind......I don't think I have ever tried a lobster roll.

what ? !!! Haven't tried a lobster roll ? !! Holy cow that might be grounds for deportation.

Sally Yates just got fired by Trump btw

Well deserved. No room for insubordination anywhere, let alone at that level of Goverment.

If you noticed, Schumer couldn't contain the smile on his face as he announced Yates was fired and defended her record. No crocodile tears then for Chuckie. I believe in a Rasmussen survey, 60% of Americans support the temporary restrictions on travel, but to watch the mainstream media, you would believe the response is 100% the other way.

Bobby G. should stay out of politics. Any student who hails from affected countries can stay put for 3 months - especially since school is in session.

Beastie, I disagree. Life happens and a STJ student being put in to a class of people with diminished rights based on faith or country of origin is of direct concern to President Gempesaw. Parents get sick, families have economic crises. Kid sisters drive their Fiat in to a ditch. There are real people affected who are members of the STJ community.

That's a really good point, Fuchsia, and I agree with it. Once we get a better way to determine who is here to be part of our fabric and who is here to be a productive member of communities and society as a whole, policies will follow

What would the left's opinion on immigration be if Latinos came here and voted Republican or if Muslims by and large voted Republican? Much different I believe

 

[logen]

So, yesterday I had the pleasure of meeting a few more Redmen.comers. As expected, a seemingly great bunch of guys with whom I would share many laughs. I would also imagine that any poster taking the time to torture themselves in this thread is likely well informed and recognizes that CNN, MSNBC, and Fox are all full of $4it! and are undeniably driven by a definitive political agenda.

I also recognize that neither side is going to change their mind (yet). So my hope, is that conservatives can begin to assess Trump in terms of Trump; and not in terms if Hillary or Bill or Obama. I disliked Hillary as a candidate and voted for her strictly from a "Never [strike]Hitler[/strike] Trump" perspective.

So, I ask......what is the purpose of cutting out key military and intelligence officials from the National Security Council? I have my own ideas, but I would love if someone else could weigh-in, without countering with Bill, Barack, Hillary, Herman, Jah, or Valerie. It's not about them anymore.

I voted for him but I agree with you on this and I'll admit I don't really like the fact that he did that and thought it was strange. I don't care so much that he brings Bannon into this but I don't know why he pulled them out even if they say they can still attend for meetings that pertain them

On a separate note since you mentioned the media ( and I agree with you they all have an agenda ) the thing that drives me crazy sometimes with them was this past weekend with the travel ban thing.

Trump does what he does and the next thing I see is the media and then some of my friends who hate Trump all suggesting that he chose those 7 because his company didnt do business with. them

The media failed to mention though that there are something like 50 freaking countries with large muslim populations and only a handful I think he does have business ties in and that out of those 7 countries on the list ( which was the exact list from a couple of years ago ) I'm not even sure that US companies are allowed to do business with at least 5 of them.

And if anyone were to think about it rationally if Trump is alienating certain Muslim countries then other Muslims are going to get pissed off from countries not affected by the ban because they are going to think it's an attack on all of them and then that's going to hurtt the marketability of the Trump brand anyway. So in essence Trump is hurting his own brand worldwide by his decision

I could get on board with enhanced vetting. However, whether you want to admit it or not, Trump's roll out here was very poor. He admittedly did not consult the Department of Homeland Security or the Justice Department. He did not brief republican lawmakers, who could have been allies in winning public/media support. I think Trump needs to understand that, despite being president, he does need to collaborate. For now, the guy couldn't operate in a more divisive manner if he tried.

I totally agree he could and should have handled it better. I just think there was a 0 % chance he chose those countries because he didnt do business in them

I agree with you. I don't think his businesses were a motive. But here it is again, by defiantly refusing to disclose his tax returns, he opens himself up for this stuff. Trump's my-way-or-the-highway approach helped him win the election. However, it will also create enormous headwinds while governing.

Now, I will REALLY blow your mind......I don't think I have ever tried a lobster roll.

what ? !!! Haven't tried a lobster roll ? !! Holy cow that might be grounds for deportation.

Sally Yates just got fired by Trump btw

Well deserved. No room for insubordination anywhere, let alone at that level of Goverment.

If you noticed, Schumer couldn't contain the smile on his face as he announced Yates was fired and defended her record. No crocodile tears then for Chuckie. I believe in a Rasmussen survey, 60% of Americans support the temporary restrictions on travel, but to watch the mainstream media, you would believe the response is 100% the other way.

Bobby G. should stay out of politics. Any student who hails from affected countries can stay put for 3 months - especially since school is in session.

Beastie, I disagree. Life happens and a STJ student being put in to a class of people with diminished rights based on faith or country of origin is of direct concern to President Gempesaw. Parents get sick, families have economic crises. Kid sisters drive their Fiat in to a ditch. There are real people affected who are members of the STJ community.

I hear you Fuschia, and there are certainly some glitches that need to be worked out, but is this something that is effecting a large segment of the student body? So much so that the President found the need to take a public position on a national security matter? Or is he just jumping on the bandwagon based on misinformation, as so many others have done? Sure as hell sounds like selective criticism to me. My guess is that there would be no such statement issued if it were anyone but Trump implementing this.

Utter nonsense, anyone with reason to be in the country and can be properly vetted are inconvenienced by being detained until the vetting is complete. Media completely ignores the fact that that has been overwhelmingly the case to date. The scariest thing to me is the supposed intelligent people in positions of authority that have seemingly lost there capacity for objective independent reasoning for themselves. Brainwashing at its finest.

 

[beast of the east]

I believe many here are completely missing the point. This is not really an American issue between Conservative and Liberal, Republican or Democrat, etc. At play is whether countries keep their national identities or relinquish that identity to the globalist movement. The left in this country over the last few decades have slowly and methodically taken over the education system and the media and obviously have done it t least as effectively in Europe. That is our reality; the left camethisclose to getting Clinton elected, opening our borders, continuing policies of making people dependent on the government and forever changing us as a one party country. Trump's election blew up their reality, which was that they were THERE and the biggest domino, the US, was going to fall. That is why DC has to be cleaned out if we are to survive as a Republic, many of the Republicans in Washington are as invested in the globalist movement as are Democrats. So there is no logic, no common sense, no objectivity to the resistance to Trump; he and all the "deplorables" are the enemy and every effort must be made to create roadblocks to his success, taint all that he does. Trump is doing all that he said he would do, the policies that got him elected, more so than any President I can remember. But that doesn't matter to the opposition, because the rule of law or the democratic process means nothing to them.

Disagree. This is all about the parties fighting for control of the country for the next 50 years. Allow unfettered immigration from Muslim and Latino countries and the balance shifts decidedly towards Democrats. This is all about the Democratic party making their tent bigger and nothing else. Even kind hearted Democrats are being deceived thinking their is some compassion at play here. Their interest is very simple - Latinos and Muslims tend to vote Democrat, especially when first arriving here (legally)

 

[logen]

I believe many here are completely missing the point. This is not really an American issue between Conservative and Liberal, Republican or Democrat, etc. At play is whether countries keep their national identities or relinquish that identity to the globalist movement. The left in this country over the last few decades have slowly and methodically taken over the education system and the media and obviously have done it t least as effectively in Europe. That is our reality; the left camethisclose to getting Clinton elected, opening our borders, continuing policies of making people dependent on the government and forever changing us as a one party country. Trump's election blew up their reality, which was that they were THERE and the biggest domino, the US, was going to fall. That is why DC has to be cleaned out if we are to survive as a Republic, many of the Republicans in Washington are as invested in the globalist movement as are Democrats. So there is no logic, no common sense, no objectivity to the resistance to Trump; he and all the "deplorables" are the enemy and every effort must be made to create roadblocks to his success, taint all that he does. Trump is doing all that he said he would do, the policies that got him elected, more so than any President I can remember. But that doesn't matter to the opposition, because the rule of law or the democratic process means nothing to them.

Disagree. This is all about the parties fighting for control of the country for the next 50 years. Allow unfettered immigration from Muslim and Latino countries and the balance shifts decidedly towards Democrats. This is all about the Democratic party making their tent bigger and nothing else. Even kind hearted Democrats are being deceived thinking their is some compassion at play here. Their interest is very simple - Latinos and Muslims tend to vote Democrat, especially when first arriving here (legally)

I guess I didn't do a very good job of writing because obviously you did not understand my post, "opening our borders, continuing policies of making people dependent on the government and forever changing us as a one party country." What do you think I meant by that? "Allow unfettered immigration from Muslim and Latino countries and the balance shifts decidedly towards Democrats." same point, different wording. The only difference is I believe the control of the US is only the first, admittedly HUGE, step to the leftist movement creating a "global government." My point about this not being Republicans vs. Democrats was alluding to a bigger leftist goal than just control of this country.

 

[beast of the east]

I believe many here are completely missing the point. This is not really an American issue between Conservative and Liberal, Republican or Democrat, etc. At play is whether countries keep their national identities or relinquish that identity to the globalist movement. The left in this country over the last few decades have slowly and methodically taken over the education system and the media and obviously have done it t least as effectively in Europe. That is our reality; the left camethisclose to getting Clinton elected, opening our borders, continuing policies of making people dependent on the government and forever changing us as a one party country. Trump's election blew up their reality, which was that they were THERE and the biggest domino, the US, was going to fall. That is why DC has to be cleaned out if we are to survive as a Republic, many of the Republicans in Washington are as invested in the globalist movement as are Democrats. So there is no logic, no common sense, no objectivity to the resistance to Trump; he and all the "deplorables" are the enemy and every effort must be made to create roadblocks to his success, taint all that he does. Trump is doing all that he said he would do, the policies that got him elected, more so than any President I can remember. But that doesn't matter to the opposition, because the rule of law or the democratic process means nothing to them.

Disagree. This is all about the parties fighting for control of the country for the next 50 years. Allow unfettered immigration from Muslim and Latino countries and the balance shifts decidedly towards Democrats. This is all about the Democratic party making their tent bigger and nothing else. Even kind hearted Democrats are being deceived thinking their is some compassion at play here. Their interest is very simple - Latinos and Muslims tend to vote Democrat, especially when first arriving here (legally)

I guess I didn't do a very good job of writing because obviously you did not understand my post, "opening our borders, continuing policies of making people dependent on the government and forever changing us as a one party country." What do you think I meant by that? "Allow unfettered immigration from Muslim and Latino countries and the balance shifts decidedly towards Democrats." same point, different wording. The only difference is I believe the control of the US is only the first, admittedly HUGE, step to the leftist movement creating a "global government." My point about this not being Republicans vs. Democrats was alluding to a bigger leftist goal than just control of this country.

Sorry, I thought you were heading in the direction of the xenophobia and contempt that exists in France for anything not french.

I forgot for a second - in these forums we are almost in lockstep.

 

[JohnnyFan]

I believe many here are completely missing the point. This is not really an American issue between Conservative and Liberal, Republican or Democrat, etc. At play is whether countries keep their national identities or relinquish that identity to the globalist movement. The left in this country over the last few decades have slowly and methodically taken over the education system and the media and obviously have done it t least as effectively in Europe. That is our reality; the left camethisclose to getting Clinton elected, opening our borders, continuing policies of making people dependent on the government and forever changing us as a one party country. Trump's election blew up their reality, which was that they were THERE and the biggest domino, the US, was going to fall. That is why DC has to be cleaned out if we are to survive as a Republic, many of the Republicans in Washington are as invested in the globalist movement as are Democrats. So there is no logic, no common sense, no objectivity to the resistance to Trump; he and all the "deplorables" are the enemy and every effort must be made to create roadblocks to his success, taint all that he does. Trump is doing all that he said he would do, the policies that got him elected, more so than any President I can remember. But that doesn't matter to the opposition, because the rule of law or the democratic process means nothing to them.

Disagree. This is all about the parties fighting for control of the country for the next 50 years. Allow unfettered immigration from Muslim and Latino countries and the balance shifts decidedly towards Democrats. This is all about the Democratic party making their tent bigger and nothing else. Even kind hearted Democrats are being deceived thinking their is some compassion at play here. Their interest is very simple - Latinos and Muslims tend to vote Democrat, especially when first arriving here (legally)

I guess I didn't do a very good job of writing because obviously you did not understand my post, "opening our borders, continuing policies of making people dependent on the government and forever changing us as a one party country." What do you think I meant by that? "Allow unfettered immigration from Muslim and Latino countries and the balance shifts decidedly towards Democrats." same point, different wording. The only difference is I believe the control of the US is only the first, admittedly HUGE, step to the leftist movement creating a "global government." My point about this not being Republicans vs. Democrats was alluding to a bigger leftist goal than just control of this country.

Sorry, I thought you were heading in the direction of the xenophobia and contempt that exists in France for anything not french. .

That's what Bannon is for.

 

[beast of the east]

I really hate this topic. I know that I can filter it out but it is easier for me to hit recent topics and with a lot of time to kill, I like reading everything, but prefer reading about lobster rolls, bets people make, and even where people are sending their kids to high school and college. I even prefer reading about Fun's view of politics in his game write ups because there is some humor and hot women to look at. I enjoy when JSJ, Beast of the East, Monte and others post articles about the university, business and education which can be civilly discussed.

I know that others enjoy posting about Donald and Hillary and at times I have been lured in but I wish we would enough games and sign enough recruits to keep people focused on what makes this website great, a distraction from the real world and it's angry arguments.

So carry on as I am just one person and the board is much bigger then me but as it is hard enough to have civility when debating Mussini and Ellison it is nearly impossible when debating Hillary and Donald.

Not a lobster roll but how about Lobster Ceviche and some grilled lobster tails I had in Cuba a couple of weeks ago


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I hired an worked with a cuban immigrant who had come directly from cuba to work for us. One of my hesitations to visiting cuba is that she had said that the best of everything was reserved for tourists. Cubans were not allowed to ride in air conditioned cabs, not allowed to buy coconut (or any)ice cream on the streets, and food is in very short supply. The government rations food, giving cubans 15 days of food per month, and they have to find a way to stretch it and find or grow food. Things we take for granted, like supermarkets stocked to the hilt with food, do not exist there. So, while i can appreciate the food you show, id have a hard time enjoying it there knowing it is not available to Cubans.

I wonder if your first hand observations were different

 

[mjmaherjr]

I really hate this topic. I know that I can filter it out but it is easier for me to hit recent topics and with a lot of time to kill, I like reading everything, but prefer reading about lobster rolls, bets people make, and even where people are sending their kids to high school and college. I even prefer reading about Fun's view of politics in his game write ups because there is some humor and hot women to look at. I enjoy when JSJ, Beast of the East, Monte and others post articles about the university, business and education which can be civilly discussed.

I know that others enjoy posting about Donald and Hillary and at times I have been lured in but I wish we would enough games and sign enough recruits to keep people focused on what makes this website great, a distraction from the real world and it's angry arguments.

So carry on as I am just one person and the board is much bigger then me but as it is hard enough to have civility when debating Mussini and Ellison it is nearly impossible when debating Hillary and Donald.

Not a lobster roll but how about Lobster Ceviche and some grilled lobster tails I had in Cuba a couple of weeks ago


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I hired an worked with a cuban immigrant who had come directly from cuba to work for us. One of my hesitations to visiting cuba is that she had said that the best of everything was reserved for tourists. Cubans were not allowed to ride in air conditioned cabs, not allowed to buy coconut (or any)ice cream on the streets, and food is in very short supply. The government rations food, giving cubans 15 days of food per month, and they have to find a way to stretch it and find or grow food. Things we take for granted, like supermarkets stocked to the hilt with food, do not exist there. So, while i can appreciate the food you show, id have a hard time enjoying it there knowing it is not available to Cubans.

I wonder if your first hand observations were different

It's different to a certain extent there now but your friend isn't too far off on a couple of things. I don't know about coconut but Cubans can definitely buy ice cream on the street because it was so hot while we were there we stopped at a sidewalk ice cream stand that locals had told us about because we saw them eating ice cream

They do have food ration cards with certain types of food that they get real cheap ( or I think in some cases for free ) you wont see big grocery stores like you do here

Cubans can ride in whatever cabs they want but cabs are expensive ( basically like NY prices ) because the cost of gas is expensive there and because of the embargo it's just like in the pictures you see that like half the cars are from the 50's. Most Cubans take the local busses which are air conditioned because they are really really inexpensive.

We got picked up from the airport in a looking brand new 1951 Chevy ( I think Deluxe was the model name ). Locals call them Frankenstein cars because they might look brand new or in really good condition on the outside but under the hood they will use whatever parts they can find to keep the car running.

They use 2 currencies. One mainly that tourists use and 1 that locals use to buy their goods.

Here is the biggest difference that has happened in the last few years which will change locals lives exponentially for the better. A few years ago I'm assuming this happened under Fidel's brother but the government started letting people open up restaurants in their own houses. Or in buildings. These are called Paladar's. The govt lets the people keep their earnings from the Paladar. So while the Cuban govt owns most of the regular restaurants there is s huge burgeoning industry of people opening up Paladar's. Paladar's are going to be a lot more expensive than Cuban Govt owned restaurants and they buy a lot of their food imported or on a black market type thing but all the money you spend is going to the restaurant owner and workers. We only ate at Paladar's the entire time there unless we ate in Cuban's homes with whom we were staying

As far as staying in Cuba the govt owns all the hotels or has joint partnerships with outside companies. BUT and I have to give Obama credit for this and this is going to change cuba forever for the better over the past few years the govt there has let people open up B&B's in their houses. They are called Casa Particulars. Now because of Obama you now have airbnb there to make it much easier for people especially americans. The govt lets the hosts keep all the money. So while a hotel might cost $400 a night and even then some hotels are infamous for overbooking and then you end up scrambling to find a place but with Airbnb we stayed with local families and were paying max $35 a night. Then they will make you huge breakfast for $5 if you want and dinner in their house for $8-$10. And the places we stayed in were fantastic. I cant say enough good things about the familes we stayed with ( we stayed with 3 different families over 9 days in Havana and 1 family in Vinales which is in western Cuba where the tobacco is grown for the cigars

The 1 thing is salaries are low for the govt. The first family we stayed with was mother,father and daughter all professors and the fiancée of the daughter engineer. They were definitely a little bit more wealthy I guess you can say ( there house was great and you can tell they take great pride in taking care of it ) but the thing with Cuba is on their same block you might see a bunch of houses that are run down also but it's perfectly safe and I cant say enough how nice everyone is especially to americans. Cubans all hang out in the front of their houses with the doors open and people literally just walk across the street to their neighbors uninvited and just to talk and socialize. It's pretty much like an open door policy with neighbors. Super friendly

To give you an example of Salaries the last family we stayed with was in Old Havana. They are both early 40's and both doctors. Their salaries are something like $100 a month each. They have 3 bedrooms in their house ( all with their own bathrooms ) which they rent now for $35 a night so they are making $105 a night total not including what they make if you eat breakfast or dinner there. I was joking around with them telling them now they will be Dr Airbnb's

These families literally just started on airbnb a few months ago and we were the first americans to stay with 3 of the families. They were so nice literally all of us were choked up when we left 2 of the families.

What you do see is people doing 2nd jobs etc. Our driver for 2 of the days in Havana was a dentist and he drives tourists on the side because he makes more money doing that than being a dentist.

Our private driver from Havana to Vinales is an engineer. Same thing. he makes more money driving tourists in his spare time than he does being an engineer

The 2 things that suck are the internet there and the credit card situation. To get internet you have to go buy a card which works for an hour only at wifi spots. So internet really is non existant in homes. You will literally see 500 Cubans in a park at night in a wifi spot all looking at their phones and internet. Also they don't take US credit cards there because of the embargo so you have to carry s sh!tload of money there and then convert it as you need. Luckily with airbnb you can book your stays ahead of time here and use your credit card so your housing is fully paid for

All in all it was one of our top 5 favorite vacations. Not so much for sightseeing but because we had such an awesome time with the local Cubans and other than some govt owned bars we know all the money we spent at restaurants and housing went directly to the locals

I'd recommend for anyone to go. I wouldn't even hesitate to go back in the next year if I saw a good airfare since jetblue and delta fly direct now from JFK

 

[logen]

I believe many here are completely missing the point. This is not really an American issue between Conservative and Liberal, Republican or Democrat, etc. At play is whether countries keep their national identities or relinquish that identity to the globalist movement. The left in this country over the last few decades have slowly and methodically taken over the education system and the media and obviously have done it t least as effectively in Europe. That is our reality; the left camethisclose to getting Clinton elected, opening our borders, continuing policies of making people dependent on the government and forever changing us as a one party country. Trump's election blew up their reality, which was that they were THERE and the biggest domino, the US, was going to fall. That is why DC has to be cleaned out if we are to survive as a Republic, many of the Republicans in Washington are as invested in the globalist movement as are Democrats. So there is no logic, no common sense, no objectivity to the resistance to Trump; he and all the "deplorables" are the enemy and every effort must be made to create roadblocks to his success, taint all that he does. Trump is doing all that he said he would do, the policies that got him elected, more so than any President I can remember. But that doesn't matter to the opposition, because the rule of law or the democratic process means nothing to them.

Disagree. This is all about the parties fighting for control of the country for the next 50 years. Allow unfettered immigration from Muslim and Latino countries and the balance shifts decidedly towards Democrats. This is all about the Democratic party making their tent bigger and nothing else. Even kind hearted Democrats are being deceived thinking their is some compassion at play here. Their interest is very simple - Latinos and Muslims tend to vote Democrat, especially when first arriving here (legally)

I guess I didn't do a very good job of writing because obviously you did not understand my post, "opening our borders, continuing policies of making people dependent on the government and forever changing us as a one party country." What do you think I meant by that? "Allow unfettered immigration from Muslim and Latino countries and the balance shifts decidedly towards Democrats." same point, different wording. The only difference is I believe the control of the US is only the first, admittedly HUGE, step to the leftist movement creating a "global government." My point about this not being Republicans vs. Democrats was alluding to a bigger leftist goal than just control of this country.

Sorry, I thought you were heading in the direction of the xenophobia and contempt that exists in France for anything not french.

I forgot for a second - in these forums we are almost in lockstep.

The key being in these forums