Norm Roberts

[quote="mjmaherjr" post=278589]The only thing I've seen Mitch do the last 2 years is put his hands on his head in disgust after someone made a mistake.[/quote]

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The problem is that Mitch was top 3 or 4 at his position during a high point for the league. 99 percent of every thing he sees out of his team is going to frustrate him.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=278625]Norm was also a better basketball player than Anthony Mason at Springfield Garden High School. He even told us so.[/quote]

because we know being a good basketball player equates to being a good coach
 
[quote="austour" post=278609][quote="we are sju" post=278543]I really wish people would stop saying Norm's name. If you say it 3 times in a row into a mirror he will appear and coach bad basketball until your eyes bleed out of your head.[/quote]

Whatever you think of Norm, and few of us think highly of him as SJU coach, he and Mahoney are Mullin's comp set right now. That's where he is. Not Louis of course, not Fran. Not even Jarvis or Lavin. Mahoney and Norm are where this staff is right now. And both Mahoney and Norm had more wins, more conference wins, and better winning percentages after 3 years.[/quote]

We Are Nostradamus prediction. Ponds returns we win 22 games. We lose the 8-9 game. Mullin announces hie is resigning because his family misses the West Coast. He goes out on a high note like Costanza. Will Brown replaces Mullin. Year 3 of Brown people start wishing Mullin was still coaching. It is the circle of ST John's basketball.
 
[quote="kranmars" post=278606]The enormity of thread's stupidity is reaching legendary status.[/quote]

The thread is stupid because i am pointing out that Norm was more successful in his first 3 years?
 
[quote="Class of 72" post=278618][quote="Redmen07" post=278555]SJU needs Pitino. I don't care if he hires hookers to recruit, pays players, sleeps with assistants wives, or if all his wins are vacated later on. Just win baby.[/quote]

I couldn't help but notice you have Bernie Fine in your avatar. I'm assuming you would volunteer your wife to "tutor" Pitino's players. I could see you exhorting her on her way to a session "JUST WIN BABY and remove your dentures".[/quote]

Win on the court at all costs! Sign me up
 
[quote="Storm Tracker" post=278636]The thread is stupid because i am pointing out that Norm was more successful in his first 3 years?[/quote]

This thread is stupid for many reasons. That's just one of them.
 
[quote="Redmen07" post=278637][quote="Class of 72" post=278618][quote="Redmen07" post=278555]SJU needs Pitino. I don't care if he hires hookers to recruit, pays players, sleeps with assistants wives, or if all his wins are vacated later on. Just win baby.[/quote]

I couldn't help but notice you have Bernie Fine in your avatar. I'm assuming you would volunteer your wife to "tutor" Pitino's players. I could see you exhorting her on her way to a session "JUST WIN BABY and remove your dentures".[/quote]

Win on the court at all costs! Sign me up[/quote]

Fine.
 
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[quote="Storm Tracker" post=278634][quote="Beast of the East" post=278625]Norm was also a better basketball player than Anthony Mason at Springfield Garden High School. He even told us so.[/quote]

because we know being a good basketball player equates to being a good coach[/quote]

Norm Roberts got hired because he wasn't Mike Jarvis and Fran Fraschilla (prima donas) who both got fired as much for their attitudes as what they did or didn't do on the court. The school got tired of both of them. It's idiotic to point out whats been said here 10000000000000 times - that Mullin's 3 year record is worse than Norms.

Despite what some people say about Mullin, he didn't lobby for the job. The school reached out to him, and he took it to restore this program - no other reason. He is separated from his wife and daughter since they decided NY wasn't the best place for her right now, and he could easily have bailed then. But he committed to doing this job and from everything people very close to him have said hates losing more than anything.

To speculate that Mullin smiled through losing and doesn't care a bit is just horseshit to be honest. In my opinion, keeping the kids positive through an 11 game losing streak and instead of folding pulled out some impressive wins was a pretty masterful job. Mike Doherty self destructed at NC when his blue chip team started losing and every kid on his squad hated him by season's end.

We need better players. period. problem number 1, 2, and 3. We need more of them. problem 1, 2, and 3. Solve that and we will win more. A lot more.

When you see the roster that Loyola could assemble, you know it's possible and you also know the competition is enormous to get the best players. If Mullin can do it, he will be here. If he can't he won't. Everything else is nonsense.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=278652][quote="Storm Tracker" post=278634][quote="Beast of the East" post=278625]Norm was also a better basketball player than Anthony Mason at Springfield Garden High School. He even told us so.[/quote]

because we know being a good basketball player equates to being a good coach[/quote]

Norm Roberts got hired because he wasn't Mike Jarvis and Fran Fraschilla (prima donas) who both got fired as much for their attitudes as what they did or didn't do on the court. The school got tired of both of them. It's idiotic to point out whats been said here 10000000000000 times - that Mullin's 3 year record is worse than Norms.

Despite what some people say about Mullin, he didn't lobby for the job. The school reached out to him, and he took it to restore this program - no other reason. He is separated from his wife and daughter since they decided NY wasn't the best place for her right now, and he could easily have bailed then. But he committed to doing this job and from everything people very close to him have said hates losing more than anything.

To speculate that Mullin smiled through losing and doesn't care a bit is just horseshit to be honest. In my opinion, keeping the kids positive through an 11 game losing streak and instead of folding pulled out some impressive wins was a pretty masterful job. Mike Doherty self destructed at NC when his blue chip team started losing and every kid on his squad hated him by season's end.

We need better players. period. problem number 1, 2, and 3. We need more of them. problem 1, 2, and 3. Solve that and we will win more. A lot more.

When you see the roster that Loyola could assemble, you know it's possible and you also know the competition is enormous to get the best players. If Mullin can do it, he will be here. If he can't he won't. Everything else is nonsense.[/quote]

Thanks for yet another know-it-all condescending post. All Hail Beast of the East.
 
I met Norm Roberts a few times and he was a nice man. It is hard to imagine him ever creating any trouble. That was why he was hired. He would keep the basketball team out of trouble and out of the spotlight. That was very important to the school president at the time as the last thing he wanted was any scrutiny of the basketball program. When you are a thief you don't go putting the lights on.

The day Norm was hired I cancelled my season tickets of fifteen years. The day he was fired I bought them back. I received a major seat upgrade so I'd say I wasn't alone in my thinking. Roberts was a signal that SJU was not even trying. So was his compensation. Whatever one thinks of Lavin and Mullin there is no indication the school itself is not trying.

Mullin may not work out. It was always a gamble but it was done so I'm hoping for the best. I could envision it working when he was hired. I still can. I can also envision it going all wrong.

I never could envision anything transpiring with Norm Roberts as coach except what transpired.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=278652][quote="Storm Tracker" post=278634][quote="Beast of the East" post=278625]Norm was also a better basketball player than Anthony Mason at Springfield Garden High School. He even told us so.[/quote]

because we know being a good basketball player equates to being a good coach[/quote]

Norm Roberts got hired because he wasn't Mike Jarvis and Fran Fraschilla (prima donas) who both got fired as much for their attitudes as what they did or didn't do on the court. The school got tired of both of them. It's idiotic to point out whats been said here 10000000000000 times - that Mullin's 3 year record is worse than Norms.

Despite what some people say about Mullin, he didn't lobby for the job. The school reached out to him, and he took it to restore this program - no other reason. He is separated from his wife and daughter since they decided NY wasn't the best place for her right now, and he could easily have bailed then. But he committed to doing this job and from everything people very close to him have said hates losing more than anything.

To speculate that Mullin smiled through losing and doesn't care a bit is just horseshit to be honest. In my opinion, keeping the kids positive through an 11 game losing streak and instead of folding pulled out some impressive wins was a pretty masterful job. Mike Doherty self destructed at NC when his blue chip team started losing and every kid on his squad hated him by season's end.

We need better players. period. problem number 1, 2, and 3. We need more of them. problem 1, 2, and 3. Solve that and we will win more. A lot more.

When you see the roster that Loyola could assemble, you know it's possible and you also know the competition is enormous to get the best players. If Mullin can do it, he will be here. If he can't he won't. Everything else is nonsense.[/quote]

Attached photo take post Jan 9 loss to Georgetown.
 
Storm Tracker, i did not find any part of Beast's post condescending at all. He just listed reasons why he think Mullin clearly cares about this job, and also listed how he thinks Mullin can turn this around.

Honestly, i understand the frustration of many of you. to be honest, if Shamorie Ponds stays in the draft I'm not sure Mullin will ever get us to an NCAA tournament. That's bad.


I understand the frustration with Mullin. i am pretty frustrated too. Butler hired some alum basketball player who went 11-24 in his only year of coaching and he somehow had Butler one shot away from maybe making the Sweet 16. Just makes me feel like this has to do with culture. We just don't have a winning culture here. We never have had a winning culture since I've been fan, and it isnt easy to just reverse it. Look at DePaul, they are just stuck in the mud, and they don't look like they will ever get out of it, even with a billion dollar arena or however much it cost.

I remember when we got killed by Gonzaga in 2011, after the game Lavin said "these seniors don't even realize what they just did for the St. John's program"

what he meant was, that group and that season was supposed to be the season that brought back the winning culture. But Lavin could not capitalize, even with talented rosters.

I don't know, I want to say Shamorie Ponds will return and be a National Player of the Year candidate and lead us back to relevancy and back to a winning culture, but who knows. Things just do not seem to go right. During the Lavin years, I was always optimistic, mostly because D'Angelo Harrison's passion and heart made me a believer. Without Ponds, Im not sure I believe we can go anywhere.

Mullins job security, his success, it might all hinge on #2, in fact i think it does
 
Just my opinion, but if we don't have a strong season this year, likely at least NCAA bid, I see Mullin walking away after the season.
 
So does Ewing . I liked hearing him say to Govan during a timeout “ you ever practice that Shot in Practice ? You don’t . Then don’t take that F ing shot in a Game !”
 
[quote="Room112" post=278672]Just my opinion, but if we don't have a strong season this year, likely at least NCAA bid, I see Mullin walking away after the season.[/quote]

I think we make tourney next year and he walks off into the sunset.
 
[quote="IDRAFT" post=278667]I met Norm Roberts a few times and he was a nice man. It is hard to imagine him ever creating any trouble. That was why he was hired. He would keep the basketball team out of trouble and out of the spotlight. That was very important to the school president at the time as the last thing he wanted was any scrutiny of the basketball program. When you are a thief you don't go putting the lights on.

The day Norm was hired I cancelled my season tickets of fifteen years. The day he was fired I bought them back. I received a major seat upgrade so I'd say I wasn't alone in my thinking. Roberts was a signal that SJU was not even trying. So was his compensation. Whatever one thinks of Lavin and Mullin there is no indication the school itself is not trying.

Mullin may not work out. It was always a gamble but it was done so I'm hoping for the best. I could envision it working when he was hired. I still can. I can also envision it going all wrong.

I never could envision anything transpiring with Norm Roberts as coach except what transpired.[/quote]

The one thing I never understood was why everyone insisted on starting Norm posts with the "he is a good guy" thing? Now I never met him but how good a guy is he? I mean does he hand out money when he meets people? Does he offer to help strangers move or give them a ride to the airport? How nice a guy was he? I was always curious about the nice guy thing. Just seemed to be weird thing to keep saying about a basketball coach.
 
[quote="we are sju" post=278678][quote="IDRAFT" post=278667]I met Norm Roberts a few times and he was a nice man. It is hard to imagine him ever creating any trouble. That was why he was hired. He would keep the basketball team out of trouble and out of the spotlight. That was very important to the school president at the time as the last thing he wanted was any scrutiny of the basketball program. When you are a thief you don't go putting the lights on.

The day Norm was hired I cancelled my season tickets of fifteen years. The day he was fired I bought them back. I received a major seat upgrade so I'd say I wasn't alone in my thinking. Roberts was a signal that SJU was not even trying. So was his compensation. Whatever one thinks of Lavin and Mullin there is no indication the school itself is not trying.

Mullin may not work out. It was always a gamble but it was done so I'm hoping for the best. I could envision it working when he was hired. I still can. I can also envision it going all wrong.

I never could envision anything transpiring with Norm Roberts as coach except what transpired.[/quote]

The one thing I never understood was why everyone insisted on starting Norm posts with the "he is a good guy" thing? Now I never met him but how good a guy is he? I mean does he hand out money when he meets people? Does he offer to help strangers move or give them a ride to the airport? How nice a guy was he? I was always curious about the nice guy thing. Just seemed to be weird thing to keep saying about a basketball coach.[/quote]

I can't speak for anyone else but I found him engaging and sincere. And he would spend time talking to you. Probably why he is an effective recruiter. Also, I suppose, there is an element of "she's got a nice personality" to it all from folks, myself included.
 
[quote="IDRAFT" post=278682][quote="we are sju" post=278678][quote="IDRAFT" post=278667]I met Norm Roberts a few times and he was a nice man. It is hard to imagine him ever creating any trouble. That was why he was hired. He would keep the basketball team out of trouble and out of the spotlight. That was very important to the school president at the time as the last thing he wanted was any scrutiny of the basketball program. When you are a thief you don't go putting the lights on.

The day Norm was hired I cancelled my season tickets of fifteen years. The day he was fired I bought them back. I received a major seat upgrade so I'd say I wasn't alone in my thinking. Roberts was a signal that SJU was not even trying. So was his compensation. Whatever one thinks of Lavin and Mullin there is no indication the school itself is not trying.

Mullin may not work out. It was always a gamble but it was done so I'm hoping for the best. I could envision it working when he was hired. I still can. I can also envision it going all wrong.

I never could envision anything transpiring with Norm Roberts as coach except what transpired.[/quote]

The one thing I never understood was why everyone insisted on starting Norm posts with the "he is a good guy" thing? Now I never met him but how good a guy is he? I mean does he hand out money when he meets people? Does he offer to help strangers move or give them a ride to the airport? How nice a guy was he? I was always curious about the nice guy thing. Just seemed to be weird thing to keep saying about a basketball coach.[/quote]

I can't speak for anyone else but I found him engaging and sincere. And he would spend time talking to you. Probably why he is an effective recruiter. Also, I suppose, there is an element of "she's got a nice personality" to it all from folks, myself included.[/quote]

Just once I would like someone to post I met Norm and he kicked me in the groin.
 
[quote="Redmen07" post=278555]SJU needs Pitino. I don't care if he hires hookers to recruit, pays players, sleeps with assistants wives, or if all his wins are vacated later on. Just win baby.[/quote]

Table sex, baby !
 
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