Norm Roberts

[quote="we are sju" post=278678]The one thing I never understood was why everyone insisted on starting Norm posts with the "he is a good guy" thing? Now I never met him but how good a guy is he? I mean does he hand out money when he meets people? Does he offer to help strangers move or give them a ride to the airport? How nice a guy was he? I was always curious about the nice guy thing. Just seemed to be weird thing to keep saying about a basketball coach.[/quote]

Because being a good guy is more important than being a good basketball coach? Probably it's anathema in a thread where some guy offered up his wife to Laurie Fine the recruits in exchange for a sweet 16 run but losing the right way is better than winning the wrong way. Maybe not for the fans, but for the players and the school and society. Rick Pitino's players learn that's cheating's fine as long as you get away with it and the best way to get away with it is to portray yourself as a victim and lie through your teeth. Lavin's players learned that failing's fine as long as you can blame someone or something else for it. I don't have kids thank god but if I did that's not what I'd teach them. By all accounts Norm was honest and hard working and sincere. Those are good character traits - if everyone was honest and hard working and sincere the world would be infinitely less of a malevolent shit hole than it is, I might even leave the house every once in a while - and especially in someone whose job it is to mold the character of impressionable young men.
 
[quote="fun" post=278686][quote="we are sju" post=278678]The one thing I never understood was why everyone insisted on starting Norm posts with the "he is a good guy" thing? Now I never met him but how good a guy is he? I mean does he hand out money when he meets people? Does he offer to help strangers move or give them a ride to the airport? How nice a guy was he? I was always curious about the nice guy thing. Just seemed to be weird thing to keep saying about a basketball coach.[/quote]

Because being a good guy is more important than being a good basketball coach? Probably it's anathema in a thread where some guy offered up his wife to Laurie Fine the recruits in exchange for a sweet 16 run but losing the right way is better than winning the wrong way. Maybe not for the fans, but for the players and the school and society. Rick Pitino's players learn that's cheating's fine as long as you get away with it and the best way to get away with it is to portray yourself as a victim and lie through your teeth. Lavin's players learned that failing's fine as long as you can blame someone or something else for it. I don't have kids thank god but if I did that's not what I'd teach them. By all accounts Norm was honest and hard working and sincere. Those are good character traits - if everyone was honest and hard working and sincere the world would be infinitely less of a malevolent shit hole than it is, I might even leave the house every once in a while - and especially in someone whose job it is to mold the character of impressionable young men.[/quote]

I get the concept. My next door neighbor is what you would call "salt of the earth". I just wouldn't want him coaching ST John's. Though he is a short 80 year old Italian man so he does have a lot in common with Louie.
My question though is how so many on here came to regard him so fondly in what were I am sure very brief encounters.
 
[quote="we are sju" post=278688]

I get the concept. My next door neighbor is what you would call "salt of the earth". I just wouldn't want him coaching ST John's. Though he is a short 80 year old Italian man so he does have a lot in common with Louie.
My question though is how so many on here came to regard him so fondly in what were I am sure very brief encounters.[/quote]

I know Norm bought pizza for some students once, and they refused to criticize him on Johnny Jungle as a result. Imagine how much they would have supported him if he had sprung for BJs like Pitino.
 
[quote="we are sju" post=278688]I get the concept. My next door neighbor is what you would call "salt of the earth". I just wouldn't want him coaching ST John's.

Nobody's advocating for Norm's coaching St John's. Everyone agrees he was somewhere between in over his head and atrocious.

My question though is how so many on here came to regard him so fondly in what were I am sure very brief encounters.
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I never met Norm and regard him fondly or as fondly as I regard anyone anyway. He seemed a decent sort who seemed to care about what he was doing and about his players and about the university. Lavin was a narcissist who cared only about himself: he said publicly he was under no pressure to win, he was happy enough to throw his players under the bus when it suited him and despite all that and his myriad other shortcomings thought the university was lucky to have him. Jarvis was a cheater - and a bad one - who recruited thugs (yeah I said it) and when accused of cheating and recruiting thugs claimed it was like being being raped by Nazis. Fran thought the university was a stepping stone to the rewards he so richly deserved. Compared to those guys Norm was Mother Teresa. Mother Teresa didn't do too good eliminating poverty despair and degradation but she was a good guy. Just like Norm.
 
[quote="fun" post=278690][quote="we are sju" post=278688]I get the concept. My next door neighbor is what you would call "salt of the earth". I just wouldn't want him coaching ST John's.

Nobody's advocating for Norm's coaching St John's. Everyone agrees he was somewhere between in over his head and atrocious.

My question though is how so many on here came to regard him so fondly in what were I am sure very brief encounters.
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I never met Norm and regard him fondly or as fondly as I regard anyone anyway. He seemed a decent sort who seemed to care about what he was doing and about his players and about the university. Lavin was a narcissist who cared only about himself: he said publicly he was under no pressure to win, he was happy enough to throw his players under the bus when it suited him and despite all that and his myriad other shortcomings thought the university was lucky to have him. Jarvis was a cheater - and a bad one - who recruited thugs (yeah I said it) and when accused of cheating and recruiting thugs claimed it was like being being raped by Nazis. Fran thought the university was a stepping stone to the rewards he so richly deserved. Compared to those guys Norm was Mother Teresa. Mother Teresa didn't do too good eliminating poverty despair and degradation but she was a good guy. Just like Norm.[/quote]

At the time people seemed more than ok with Norm coaching ST John's. Took much longer for them to turn on him than the one year Mullin was given.
 
Norm was also hired by the University to convey that good/honest guy image in the wake of previous disaster. He got the shot of his life under some tough circumstances. But who isn't under tough circumstances? He never came across to me as disingenuous so that probably explains why some people don't loathe him as much as some of the others.
 
[quote="we are sju" post=278691][quote="fun" post=278690][quote="we are sju" post=278688]I get the concept. My next door neighbor is what you would call "salt of the earth". I just wouldn't want him coaching ST John's.

Nobody's advocating for Norm's coaching St John's. Everyone agrees he was somewhere between in over his head and atrocious.

My question though is how so many on here came to regard him so fondly in what were I am sure very brief encounters.
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I never met Norm and regard him fondly or as fondly as I regard anyone anyway. He seemed a decent sort who seemed to care about what he was doing and about his players and about the university. Lavin was a narcissist who cared only about himself: he said publicly he was under no pressure to win, he was happy enough to throw his players under the bus when it suited him and despite all that and his myriad other shortcomings thought the university was lucky to have him. Jarvis was a cheater - and a bad one - who recruited thugs (yeah I said it) and when accused of cheating and recruiting thugs claimed it was like being being raped by Nazis. Fran thought the university was a stepping stone to the rewards he so richly deserved. Compared to those guys Norm was Mother Teresa. Mother Teresa didn't do too good eliminating poverty despair and degradation but she was a good guy. Just like Norm.[/quote]

At the time people seemed more than ok with Norm coaching ST John's. Took much longer for them to turn on him than the one year Mullin was given.[/quote]

In year one of Norm the program was much closer to its prior heyday. As the years go on everyone gets more impatient. Since each new coach has nothing to do with the last it makes no sense but humans are often emotional and illogical.
 
[quote="we are sju" post=278691][quote="fun" post=278690][quote="we are sju" post=278688]I get the concept. My next door neighbor is what you would call "salt of the earth". I just wouldn't want him coaching ST John's.

Nobody's advocating for Norm's coaching St John's. Everyone agrees he was somewhere between in over his head and atrocious.

My question though is how so many on here came to regard him so fondly in what were I am sure very brief encounters.
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I never met Norm and regard him fondly or as fondly as I regard anyone anyway. He seemed a decent sort who seemed to care about what he was doing and about his players and about the university. Lavin was a narcissist who cared only about himself: he said publicly he was under no pressure to win, he was happy enough to throw his players under the bus when it suited him and despite all that and his myriad other shortcomings thought the university was lucky to have him. Jarvis was a cheater - and a bad one - who recruited thugs (yeah I said it) and when accused of cheating and recruiting thugs claimed it was like being being raped by Nazis. Fran thought the university was a stepping stone to the rewards he so richly deserved. Compared to those guys Norm was Mother Teresa. Mother Teresa didn't do too good eliminating poverty despair and degradation but she was a good guy. Just like Norm.[/quote]

At the time people seemed more than ok with Norm coaching ST John's. Took much longer for them to turn on him than the one year Mullin was given.[/quote]

To be fair Mullin got 1 big east win that year. That's the same as Kevin Clark. I don't remember the board saying "let's sign this guy up for 5 more years."
 
I can’t decide which post is more moronic?

That Chris Mullin has stopped caring and quit doing his job?

Or
The lobbying for Rick Pitino?
Fact is they will never hire Pitino, anyone who knows a shread of St. John’s history is aware of this.
 
[quote="we are sju" post=278678][quote="IDRAFT" post=278667]I met Norm Roberts a few times and he was a nice man. It is hard to imagine him ever creating any trouble. That was why he was hired. He would keep the basketball team out of trouble and out of the spotlight. That was very important to the school president at the time as the last thing he wanted was any scrutiny of the basketball program. When you are a thief you don't go putting the lights on.

The day Norm was hired I cancelled my season tickets of fifteen years. The day he was fired I bought them back. I received a major seat upgrade so I'd say I wasn't alone in my thinking. Roberts was a signal that SJU was not even trying. So was his compensation. Whatever one thinks of Lavin and Mullin there is no indication the school itself is not trying.

Mullin may not work out. It was always a gamble but it was done so I'm hoping for the best. I could envision it working when he was hired. I still can. I can also envision it going all wrong.

I never could envision anything transpiring with Norm Roberts as coach except what transpired.[/quote]

The one thing I never understood was why everyone insisted on starting Norm posts with the "he is a good guy" thing? Now I never met him but how good a guy is he? I mean does he hand out money when he meets people? Does he offer to help strangers move or give them a ride to the airport? How nice a guy was he? I was always curious about the nice guy thing. Just seemed to be weird thing to keep saying about a basketball coach.[/quote]

I think it has something to do with the unspoken part "He's such a nice guy (even if he can't coach for shit)" For Norm Robert, he has gotten through life being a nice guy. HE walks into a recruits home, and parent think "this coach is a really nice man". He walks into Harrington's office for an interview, and FH thinks "What a nice man. He's the guy who should lead this program." Just as I believe Donald Trump's lack of experience became less important when we elected a self described community organizer, and just as Bill Clinton shattered the Gary Hart myth that infidelity ruins public personna, after dealing with Fraschilla and Jarvis, FH insisted on making the final decision himself, and knowing crap about basketball chose the nice guy.

I'd interacted with NR a few times and opined to myself that I didn't think he was so sincere, but I also knew his secretary, who has an amazingly nice family, who worked with him every day and went on about what a really great guy he is. So that trumps my opinion.

NR is a really nice guy and a really bad coach. HE is also an important part of the Kansas recruiting machine. Good for him.
 
[quote="Redmen07" post=278668][quote="Beast of the East" post=278652][quote="Storm Tracker" post=278634][quote="Beast of the East" post=278625]Norm was also a better basketball player than Anthony Mason at Springfield Garden High School. He even told us so.[/quote]

because we know being a good basketball player equates to being a good coach[/quote]

Norm Roberts got hired because he wasn't Mike Jarvis and Fran Fraschilla (prima donas) who both got fired as much for their attitudes as what they did or didn't do on the court. The school got tired of both of them. It's idiotic to point out whats been said here 10000000000000 times - that Mullin's 3 year record is worse than Norms.

Despite what some people say about Mullin, he didn't lobby for the job. The school reached out to him, and he took it to restore this program - no other reason. He is separated from his wife and daughter since they decided NY wasn't the best place for her right now, and he could easily have bailed then. But he committed to doing this job and from everything people very close to him have said hates losing more than anything.

To speculate that Mullin smiled through losing and doesn't care a bit is just horseshit to be honest. In my opinion, keeping the kids positive through an 11 game losing streak and instead of folding pulled out some impressive wins was a pretty masterful job. Mike Doherty self destructed at NC when his blue chip team started losing and every kid on his squad hated him by season's end.

We need better players. period. problem number 1, 2, and 3. We need more of them. problem 1, 2, and 3. Solve that and we will win more. A lot more.

When you see the roster that Loyola could assemble, you know it's possible and you also know the competition is enormous to get the best players. If Mullin can do it, he will be here. If he can't he won't. Everything else is nonsense.[/quote]

Attached photo take post Jan 9 loss to Georgetown.[/quote]

Do you want him to hit water coolers with a bat when the team strikes out. Great book for you to read - Bill Bradley's "The Values of The Game" In it he describes how in his rookie season he agonized after every loss. Finally his roommate and close friend Dave DeBusschere pulled him aside and told him, "Look, if you are going to make it in this league, you have to get over losses and just look forward to the next game."
 
[quote="Redmen07" post=278540][quote="Storm Tracker" post=278531
Honestly I'd rather have Norm roaming the sidelines than Mullin, and that says it all.[/quote]

about you.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=278714][quote="Redmen07" post=278668][quote="Beast of the East" post=278652][quote="Storm Tracker" post=278634][quote="Beast of the East" post=278625]Norm was also a better basketball player than Anthony Mason at Springfield Garden High School. He even told us so.[/quote]

because we know being a good basketball player equates to being a good coach[/quote]

Norm Roberts got hired because he wasn't Mike Jarvis and Fran Fraschilla (prima donas) who both got fired as much for their attitudes as what they did or didn't do on the court. The school got tired of both of them. It's idiotic to point out whats been said here 10000000000000 times - that Mullin's 3 year record is worse than Norms.

Despite what some people say about Mullin, he didn't lobby for the job. The school reached out to him, and he took it to restore this program - no other reason. He is separated from his wife and daughter since they decided NY wasn't the best place for her right now, and he could easily have bailed then. But he committed to doing this job and from everything people very close to him have said hates losing more than anything.

To speculate that Mullin smiled through losing and doesn't care a bit is just horseshit to be honest. In my opinion, keeping the kids positive through an 11 game losing streak and instead of folding pulled out some impressive wins was a pretty masterful job. Mike Doherty self destructed at NC when his blue chip team started losing and every kid on his squad hated him by season's end.

We need better players. period. problem number 1, 2, and 3. We need more of them. problem 1, 2, and 3. Solve that and we will win more. A lot more.

When you see the roster that Loyola could assemble, you know it's possible and you also know the competition is enormous to get the best players. If Mullin can do it, he will be here. If he can't he won't. Everything else is nonsense.[/quote]

Attached photo take post Jan 9 loss to Georgetown.[/quote]

Do you want him to hit water coolers with a bat when the team strikes out. Great book for you to read - Bill Bradley's "The Values of The Game" In it he describes how in his rookie season he agonized after every loss. Finally his roommate and close friend Dave DeBusschere pulled him aside and told him, "Look, if you are going to make it in this league, you have to get over losses and just look forward to the next game."[/quote]

glad you are so content with losing
 
[quote="Storm Tracker" post=278719][quote="Beast of the East" post=278714][quote="Redmen07" post=278668][quote="Beast of the East" post=278652][quote="Storm Tracker" post=278634][quote="Beast of the East" post=278625]Norm was also a better basketball player than Anthony Mason at Springfield Garden High School. He even told us so.[/quote]

because we know being a good basketball player equates to being a good coach[/quote]

Norm Roberts got hired because he wasn't Mike Jarvis and Fran Fraschilla (prima donas) who both got fired as much for their attitudes as what they did or didn't do on the court. The school got tired of both of them. It's idiotic to point out whats been said here 10000000000000 times - that Mullin's 3 year record is worse than Norms.

Despite what some people say about Mullin, he didn't lobby for the job. The school reached out to him, and he took it to restore this program - no other reason. He is separated from his wife and daughter since they decided NY wasn't the best place for her right now, and he could easily have bailed then. But he committed to doing this job and from everything people very close to him have said hates losing more than anything.

To speculate that Mullin smiled through losing and doesn't care a bit is just horseshit to be honest. In my opinion, keeping the kids positive through an 11 game losing streak and instead of folding pulled out some impressive wins was a pretty masterful job. Mike Doherty self destructed at NC when his blue chip team started losing and every kid on his squad hated him by season's end.

We need better players. period. problem number 1, 2, and 3. We need more of them. problem 1, 2, and 3. Solve that and we will win more. A lot more.

When you see the roster that Loyola could assemble, you know it's possible and you also know the competition is enormous to get the best players. If Mullin can do it, he will be here. If he can't he won't. Everything else is nonsense.[/quote]

Attached photo take post Jan 9 loss to Georgetown.[/quote]

Do you want him to hit water coolers with a bat when the team strikes out. Great book for you to read - Bill Bradley's "The Values of The Game" In it he describes how in his rookie season he agonized after every loss. Finally his roommate and close friend Dave DeBusschere pulled him aside and told him, "Look, if you are going to make it in this league, you have to get over losses and just look forward to the next game."[/quote]

glad you are so content with losing[/quote]

I've sat through 40 seasons - all but one as a season ticket holder. I've been to the last 2 NCAA regionals that St. John's was in. The only season I wasn't a season ticket holder (but the spent more money on individual game tix than my season tickets cost) was Norm's last year. I figured if the university didn't care about winning, neither should I.

I'll tell you this - When it comes to basketball, Mullin is NOT a nice guy. D'Angelo once chirped that he thought he was a better shooter than Mullin, and Mullin's response was "Really? Any time" Once as Mullin became a well known HS entity, at a basketball camp some hotshot challenged him to a shooting contest. Starting close to the basket each hit shots and took a step backwards. The other kid missed early, but Mullin kept backing up and made 50 straight shots for effect, drilling all net behind the midcourt line before calling it a day, and long shutting the kid's big mouth.

At Syracuse in Mullin's senior year, St. John's ran Syracuse off the court. In the middle of the first half blowout Mullin stole the ball went ahead of the field, and his last dribble bounced it over the rim where he grabbed it with one hand and slammed it. No one ever saw that before from Mullin, and it was the exclamation point that shut up Syracuse fans.

No Mullin wants to win badly and shut up people who doubt him. I really hope that he shuts up guys like you, who may have been crapping their diapers when Mullin was proving to the nation what a winner he is.

Can he coach a winner? I don't know. But if he can't it doesn't mean that he isn't burning to be successful here. Of course you don't know that, because you have no idea who Chris Mullin is.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=278724][quote="Storm Tracker" post=278719][quote="Beast of the East" post=278714][quote="Redmen07" post=278668][quote="Beast of the East" post=278652][quote="Storm Tracker" post=278634][quote="Beast of the East" post=278625]Norm was also a better basketball player than Anthony Mason at Springfield Garden High School. He even told us so.[/quote]

because we know being a good basketball player equates to being a good coach[/quote]

Norm Roberts got hired because he wasn't Mike Jarvis and Fran Fraschilla (prima donas) who both got fired as much for their attitudes as what they did or didn't do on the court. The school got tired of both of them. It's idiotic to point out whats been said here 10000000000000 times - that Mullin's 3 year record is worse than Norms.

Despite what some people say about Mullin, he didn't lobby for the job. The school reached out to him, and he took it to restore this program - no other reason. He is separated from his wife and daughter since they decided NY wasn't the best place for her right now, and he could easily have bailed then. But he committed to doing this job and from everything people very close to him have said hates losing more than anything.

To speculate that Mullin smiled through losing and doesn't care a bit is just horseshit to be honest. In my opinion, keeping the kids positive through an 11 game losing streak and instead of folding pulled out some impressive wins was a pretty masterful job. Mike Doherty self destructed at NC when his blue chip team started losing and every kid on his squad hated him by season's end.

We need better players. period. problem number 1, 2, and 3. We need more of them. problem 1, 2, and 3. Solve that and we will win more. A lot more.

When you see the roster that Loyola could assemble, you know it's possible and you also know the competition is enormous to get the best players. If Mullin can do it, he will be here. If he can't he won't. Everything else is nonsense.[/quote]

Attached photo take post Jan 9 loss to Georgetown.[/quote]

Do you want him to hit water coolers with a bat when the team strikes out. Great book for you to read - Bill Bradley's "The Values of The Game" In it he describes how in his rookie season he agonized after every loss. Finally his roommate and close friend Dave DeBusschere pulled him aside and told him, "Look, if you are going to make it in this league, you have to get over losses and just look forward to the next game."[/quote]

glad you are so content with losing[/quote]

I've sat through 40 seasons - all but one as a season ticket holder. I've been to the last 2 NCAA regionals that St. John's was in. The only season I wasn't a season ticket holder (but the spent more money on individual game tix than my season tickets cost) was Norm's last year. I figured if the university didn't care about winning, neither should I.

I'll tell you this - When it comes to basketball, Mullin is NOT a nice guy. D'Angelo once chirped that he thought he was a better shooter than Mullin, and Mullin's response was "Really? Any time" Once as Mullin became a well known HS entity, at a basketball camp some hotshot challenged him to a shooting contest. Starting close to the basket each hit shots and took a step backwards. The other kid missed early, but Mullin kept backing up and made 50 straight shots for effect, drilling all net behind the midcourt line before calling it a day, and long shutting the kid's big mouth.

At Syracuse in Mullin's senior year, St. John's ran Syracuse off the court. In the middle of the first half blowout Mullin stole the ball went ahead of the field, and his last dribble bounced it over the rim where he grabbed it with one hand and slammed it. No one ever saw that before from Mullin, and it was the exclamation point that shut up Syracuse fans.

No Mullin wants to win badly and shut up people who doubt him. I really hope that he shuts up guys like you, who may have been crapping their diapers when Mullin was proving to the nation what a winner he is.

Can he coach a winner? I don't know. But if he can't it doesn't mean that he isn't burning to be successful here. Of course you don't know that, because you have no idea who Chris Mullin is.[/quote]

Thank you Beast. I have no problem with fans being critical. I have been myself. But the overtop assumptions by some posters are moronic. Probably the same guys who desperately tweet at recruits or kiss Tariq’s dads ass.
 
Honestly I think this boils down do some fans (myself included obviously) just not having the faith that Mullin will get it done perrennially. It’s apparent the school is giving him at least one more year. I hope he proves us doubters wrong this team is successful and we land a great 2019 class.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=278724][quote="Storm Tracker" post=278719][quote="Beast of the East" post=278714][quote="Redmen07" post=278668][quote="Beast of the East" post=278652][quote="Storm Tracker" post=278634][quote="Beast of the East" post=278625]Norm was also a better basketball player than Anthony Mason at Springfield Garden High School. He even told us so.[/quote]

because we know being a good basketball player equates to being a good coach[/quote]

Norm Roberts got hired because he wasn't Mike Jarvis and Fran Fraschilla (prima donas) who both got fired as much for their attitudes as what they did or didn't do on the court. The school got tired of both of them. It's idiotic to point out whats been said here 10000000000000 times - that Mullin's 3 year record is worse than Norms.

Despite what some people say about Mullin, he didn't lobby for the job. The school reached out to him, and he took it to restore this program - no other reason. He is separated from his wife and daughter since they decided NY wasn't the best place for her right now, and he could easily have bailed then. But he committed to doing this job and from everything people very close to him have said hates losing more than anything.

To speculate that Mullin smiled through losing and doesn't care a bit is just horseshit to be honest. In my opinion, keeping the kids positive through an 11 game losing streak and instead of folding pulled out some impressive wins was a pretty masterful job. Mike Doherty self destructed at NC when his blue chip team started losing and every kid on his squad hated him by season's end.

We need better players. period. problem number 1, 2, and 3. We need more of them. problem 1, 2, and 3. Solve that and we will win more. A lot more.

When you see the roster that Loyola could assemble, you know it's possible and you also know the competition is enormous to get the best players. If Mullin can do it, he will be here. If he can't he won't. Everything else is nonsense.[/quote]

Attached photo take post Jan 9 loss to Georgetown.[/quote]

Do you want him to hit water coolers with a bat when the team strikes out. Great book for you to read - Bill Bradley's "The Values of The Game" In it he describes how in his rookie season he agonized after every loss. Finally his roommate and close friend Dave DeBusschere pulled him aside and told him, "Look, if you are going to make it in this league, you have to get over losses and just look forward to the next game."[/quote]

glad you are so content with losing[/quote]

I've sat through 40 seasons - all but one as a season ticket holder. I've been to the last 2 NCAA regionals that St. John's was in. The only season I wasn't a season ticket holder (but the spent more money on individual game tix than my season tickets cost) was Norm's last year. I figured if the university didn't care about winning, neither should I.

I'll tell you this - When it comes to basketball, Mullin is NOT a nice guy. D'Angelo once chirped that he thought he was a better shooter than Mullin, and Mullin's response was "Really? Any time" Once as Mullin became a well known HS entity, at a basketball camp some hotshot challenged him to a shooting contest. Starting close to the basket each hit shots and took a step backwards. The other kid missed early, but Mullin kept backing up and made 50 straight shots for effect, drilling all net behind the midcourt line before calling it a day, and long shutting the kid's big mouth.

At Syracuse in Mullin's senior year, St. John's ran Syracuse off the court. In the middle of the first half blowout Mullin stole the ball went ahead of the field, and his last dribble bounced it over the rim where he grabbed it with one hand and slammed it. No one ever saw that before from Mullin, and it was the exclamation point that shut up Syracuse fans.

No Mullin wants to win badly and shut up people who doubt him. I really hope that he shuts up guys like you, who may have been crapping their diapers when Mullin was proving to the nation what a winner he is.

Can he coach a winner? I don't know. But if he can't it doesn't mean that he isn't burning to be successful here. Of course you don't know that, because you have no idea who Chris Mullin is.[/quote]

Thanks for the novel about how old you are and how nobody is more loyal Than you (like we haven’t read this before). I hope Mullin proves me wrong next year too but I won’t hold my breath
 
[quote="Storm Tracker" post=278788][quote="Beast of the East" post=278724][quote="Storm Tracker" post=278719][quote="Beast of the East" post=278714][quote="Redmen07" post=278668][quote="Beast of the East" post=278652][quote="Storm Tracker" post=278634][quote="Beast of the East" post=278625]Norm was also a better basketball player than Anthony Mason at Springfield Garden High School. He even told us so.[/quote]

because we know being a good basketball player equates to being a good coach[/quote]

Norm Roberts got hired because he wasn't Mike Jarvis and Fran Fraschilla (prima donas) who both got fired as much for their attitudes as what they did or didn't do on the court. The school got tired of both of them. It's idiotic to point out whats been said here 10000000000000 times - that Mullin's 3 year record is worse than Norms.

Despite what some people say about Mullin, he didn't lobby for the job. The school reached out to him, and he took it to restore this program - no other reason. He is separated from his wife and daughter since they decided NY wasn't the best place for her right now, and he could easily have bailed then. But he committed to doing this job and from everything people very close to him have said hates losing more than anything.

To speculate that Mullin smiled through losing and doesn't care a bit is just horseshit to be honest. In my opinion, keeping the kids positive through an 11 game losing streak and instead of folding pulled out some impressive wins was a pretty masterful job. Mike Doherty self destructed at NC when his blue chip team started losing and every kid on his squad hated him by season's end.

We need better players. period. problem number 1, 2, and 3. We need more of them. problem 1, 2, and 3. Solve that and we will win more. A lot more.

When you see the roster that Loyola could assemble, you know it's possible and you also know the competition is enormous to get the best players. If Mullin can do it, he will be here. If he can't he won't. Everything else is nonsense.[/quote]

Attached photo take post Jan 9 loss to Georgetown.[/quote]

Do you want him to hit water coolers with a bat when the team strikes out. Great book for you to read - Bill Bradley's "The Values of The Game" In it he describes how in his rookie season he agonized after every loss. Finally his roommate and close friend Dave DeBusschere pulled him aside and told him, "Look, if you are going to make it in this league, you have to get over losses and just look forward to the next game."[/quote]

glad you are so content with losing[/quote]

I've sat through 40 seasons - all but one as a season ticket holder. I've been to the last 2 NCAA regionals that St. John's was in. The only season I wasn't a season ticket holder (but the spent more money on individual game tix than my season tickets cost) was Norm's last year. I figured if the university didn't care about winning, neither should I.

I'll tell you this - When it comes to basketball, Mullin is NOT a nice guy. D'Angelo once chirped that he thought he was a better shooter than Mullin, and Mullin's response was "Really? Any time" Once as Mullin became a well known HS entity, at a basketball camp some hotshot challenged him to a shooting contest. Starting close to the basket each hit shots and took a step backwards. The other kid missed early, but Mullin kept backing up and made 50 straight shots for effect, drilling all net behind the midcourt line before calling it a day, and long shutting the kid's big mouth.

At Syracuse in Mullin's senior year, St. John's ran Syracuse off the court. In the middle of the first half blowout Mullin stole the ball went ahead of the field, and his last dribble bounced it over the rim where he grabbed it with one hand and slammed it. No one ever saw that before from Mullin, and it was the exclamation point that shut up Syracuse fans.

No Mullin wants to win badly and shut up people who doubt him. I really hope that he shuts up guys like you, who may have been crapping their diapers when Mullin was proving to the nation what a winner he is.

Can he coach a winner? I don't know. But if he can't it doesn't mean that he isn't burning to be successful here. Of course you don't know that, because you have no idea who Chris Mullin is.[/quote]

Thanks for the novel about how old you are and how nobody is more loyal Than you (like we haven’t read this before). I hope Mullin proves me wrong next year too but I won’t hold my breath[/quote]

Frankly, you're an idiot and a troll. You can't read or comprehend and I'm sure your career is going fine as a result. Good luck.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=278794][quote="Storm Tracker" post=278788][quote="Beast of the East" post=278724][quote="Storm Tracker" post=278719][quote="Beast of the East" post=278714][quote="Redmen07" post=278668][quote="Beast of the East" post=278652][quote="Storm Tracker" post=278634][quote="Beast of the East" post=278625]Norm was also a better basketball player than Anthony Mason at Springfield Garden High School. He even told us so.[/quote]

because we know being a good basketball player equates to being a good coach[/quote]

Norm Roberts got hired because he wasn't Mike Jarvis and Fran Fraschilla (prima donas) who both got fired as much for their attitudes as what they did or didn't do on the court. The school got tired of both of them. It's idiotic to point out whats been said here 10000000000000 times - that Mullin's 3 year record is worse than Norms.

Despite what some people say about Mullin, he didn't lobby for the job. The school reached out to him, and he took it to restore this program - no other reason. He is separated from his wife and daughter since they decided NY wasn't the best place for her right now, and he could easily have bailed then. But he committed to doing this job and from everything people very close to him have said hates losing more than anything.

To speculate that Mullin smiled through losing and doesn't care a bit is just horseshit to be honest. In my opinion, keeping the kids positive through an 11 game losing streak and instead of folding pulled out some impressive wins was a pretty masterful job. Mike Doherty self destructed at NC when his blue chip team started losing and every kid on his squad hated him by season's end.

We need better players. period. problem number 1, 2, and 3. We need more of them. problem 1, 2, and 3. Solve that and we will win more. A lot more.

When you see the roster that Loyola could assemble, you know it's possible and you also know the competition is enormous to get the best players. If Mullin can do it, he will be here. If he can't he won't. Everything else is nonsense.[/quote]

Attached photo take post Jan 9 loss to Georgetown.[/quote]

Do you want him to hit water coolers with a bat when the team strikes out. Great book for you to read - Bill Bradley's "The Values of The Game" In it he describes how in his rookie season he agonized after every loss. Finally his roommate and close friend Dave DeBusschere pulled him aside and told him, "Look, if you are going to make it in this league, you have to get over losses and just look forward to the next game."[/quote]

glad you are so content with losing[/quote]

I've sat through 40 seasons - all but one as a season ticket holder. I've been to the last 2 NCAA regionals that St. John's was in. The only season I wasn't a season ticket holder (but the spent more money on individual game tix than my season tickets cost) was Norm's last year. I figured if the university didn't care about winning, neither should I.

I'll tell you this - When it comes to basketball, Mullin is NOT a nice guy. D'Angelo once chirped that he thought he was a better shooter than Mullin, and Mullin's response was "Really? Any time" Once as Mullin became a well known HS entity, at a basketball camp some hotshot challenged him to a shooting contest. Starting close to the basket each hit shots and took a step backwards. The other kid missed early, but Mullin kept backing up and made 50 straight shots for effect, drilling all net behind the midcourt line before calling it a day, and long shutting the kid's big mouth.

At Syracuse in Mullin's senior year, St. John's ran Syracuse off the court. In the middle of the first half blowout Mullin stole the ball went ahead of the field, and his last dribble bounced it over the rim where he grabbed it with one hand and slammed it. No one ever saw that before from Mullin, and it was the exclamation point that shut up Syracuse fans.

No Mullin wants to win badly and shut up people who doubt him. I really hope that he shuts up guys like you, who may have been crapping their diapers when Mullin was proving to the nation what a winner he is.

Can he coach a winner? I don't know. But if he can't it doesn't mean that he isn't burning to be successful here. Of course you don't know that, because you have no idea who Chris Mullin is.[/quote]

Thanks for the novel about how old you are and how nobody is more loyal Than you (like we haven’t read this before). I hope Mullin proves me wrong next year too but I won’t hold my breath[/quote]

Frankly, you're an idiot and a troll. You can't read or comprehend and I'm sure your career is going fine as a result. Good luck.[/quote]

And quite frankly, you are an aging, smug, know-it-all, who has posted on this site 9000 times in a condescending manner to anybody you disagree with, by writing 1,000 word essays, citing obscure anecdotes from the 70s and 80s to make yourself seem like some kind of wise old man, but in reality you've just got a really bad case of loser denial.
 
[quote="Storm Tracker" post=278804][quote="Beast of the East" post=278794][quote="Storm Tracker" post=278788][quote="Beast of the East" post=278724][quote="Storm Tracker" post=278719][quote="Beast of the East" post=278714][quote="Redmen07" post=278668][quote="Beast of the East" post=278652][quote="Storm Tracker" post=278634][quote="Beast of the East" post=278625]Norm was also a better basketball player than Anthony Mason at Springfield Garden High School. He even told us so.[/quote]

because we know being a good basketball player equates to being a good coach[/quote]

Norm Roberts got hired because he wasn't Mike Jarvis and Fran Fraschilla (prima donas) who both got fired as much for their attitudes as what they did or didn't do on the court. The school got tired of both of them. It's idiotic to point out whats been said here 10000000000000 times - that Mullin's 3 year record is worse than Norms.

Despite what some people say about Mullin, he didn't lobby for the job. The school reached out to him, and he took it to restore this program - no other reason. He is separated from his wife and daughter since they decided NY wasn't the best place for her right now, and he could easily have bailed then. But he committed to doing this job and from everything people very close to him have said hates losing more than anything.

To speculate that Mullin smiled through losing and doesn't care a bit is just horseshit to be honest. In my opinion, keeping the kids positive through an 11 game losing streak and instead of folding pulled out some impressive wins was a pretty masterful job. Mike Doherty self destructed at NC when his blue chip team started losing and every kid on his squad hated him by season's end.

We need better players. period. problem number 1, 2, and 3. We need more of them. problem 1, 2, and 3. Solve that and we will win more. A lot more.

When you see the roster that Loyola could assemble, you know it's possible and you also know the competition is enormous to get the best players. If Mullin can do it, he will be here. If he can't he won't. Everything else is nonsense.[/quote]

Attached photo take post Jan 9 loss to Georgetown.[/quote]

Do you want him to hit water coolers with a bat when the team strikes out. Great book for you to read - Bill Bradley's "The Values of The Game" In it he describes how in his rookie season he agonized after every loss. Finally his roommate and close friend Dave DeBusschere pulled him aside and told him, "Look, if you are going to make it in this league, you have to get over losses and just look forward to the next game."[/quote]

glad you are so content with losing[/quote]

I've sat through 40 seasons - all but one as a season ticket holder. I've been to the last 2 NCAA regionals that St. John's was in. The only season I wasn't a season ticket holder (but the spent more money on individual game tix than my season tickets cost) was Norm's last year. I figured if the university didn't care about winning, neither should I.

I'll tell you this - When it comes to basketball, Mullin is NOT a nice guy. D'Angelo once chirped that he thought he was a better shooter than Mullin, and Mullin's response was "Really? Any time" Once as Mullin became a well known HS entity, at a basketball camp some hotshot challenged him to a shooting contest. Starting close to the basket each hit shots and took a step backwards. The other kid missed early, but Mullin kept backing up and made 50 straight shots for effect, drilling all net behind the midcourt line before calling it a day, and long shutting the kid's big mouth.

At Syracuse in Mullin's senior year, St. John's ran Syracuse off the court. In the middle of the first half blowout Mullin stole the ball went ahead of the field, and his last dribble bounced it over the rim where he grabbed it with one hand and slammed it. No one ever saw that before from Mullin, and it was the exclamation point that shut up Syracuse fans.

No Mullin wants to win badly and shut up people who doubt him. I really hope that he shuts up guys like you, who may have been crapping their diapers when Mullin was proving to the nation what a winner he is.

Can he coach a winner? I don't know. But if he can't it doesn't mean that he isn't burning to be successful here. Of course you don't know that, because you have no idea who Chris Mullin is.[/quote]

Thanks for the novel about how old you are and how nobody is more loyal Than you (like we haven’t read this before). I hope Mullin proves me wrong next year too but I won’t hold my breath[/quote]

Frankly, you're an idiot and a troll. You can't read or comprehend and I'm sure your career is going fine as a result. Good luck.[/quote]

And quite frankly, you are an aging, smug, know-it-all, who has posted on this site 9000 times in a condescending manner to anybody you disagree with, by writing 1,000 word essays, citing obscure anecdotes from the 70s and 80s to make yourself seem like some kind of wise old man, but in reality you've just got a really bad case of loser denial.[/quote]

Far from the oldest person here not that it should matter. We've had users who remember the 1951 final four team. Others can describe the great Tony Jackson, who most if us missed. Our schools iconic coach is 93. But of course you don't respect experience and tradition because you are an idiot.
 
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