NJIT, Sun. Dec. 20, Noon, FS1 & 970 AM
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It might have been horrible back to back games but the 2 recaps were your best. Some of the best writers are inspired by their own miserable experiences and these 2 games certainly could get you a pulitzer or something
It's like you used jedi mind tricks and got into my mind and thoughts after these 2 games
Well done
Eh, probably. When you factor in the lack of experience, I think thats what puts them at the bottom Tom.
Again, I'm not saying this is inexcusable. We'll get this going in the right direction eventually.
But as fans we're being asked to deal with a historically bad team. So I can understand some of the overreaction.
we are sju
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Thanks for trip down disappointment lane.
Singleton play was worst call ever!
In Depaul debacle we played them at Depaul in tourney for some reason in 2nd round. How is that fair? Also if I remember there was also a BS goaltending call on Terry Bross, made all the more appalling becuase I do not think Bross could touch the rim.
Funny at CA yesterday I was bitching about those Duke & DP debacles to distract from the game. ( I know, get a life) I think I remember Comegys possibly stepping over the foul line on the second attempt. Ah, so many not so great memories.
http://www.nytimes.com/1987/03/16/s...rases-15-point-lead-demons-tie-late-foul.html
As has been stated often, college hoops is a guard's game on both ends of the court. Sans LoVett, we just lack a guard cadre that can blow by guys or defend on the ball effectively. Hopefully we will see continued, measured improvement from Ellison & Mussini, the normal trajectory for most freshmen. (although neither is fleet of foot).
I would expect LoVett to positively impact this deficit, but please don't expect Allen Iverson out of the gate. If he plays, to me success is the three of these kids playing well collectively & individually by season's end. Selfishly, getting LoVett potentially gives me something to enjoy in the trying season I expected.
I would expect LoVett to positively impact this deficit, but please don't expect Allen Iverson out of the gate. If he plays, to me success is the three of these kids playing well collectively & individually by season's end. Selfishly, getting LoVett potentially gives me something to enjoy in the trying season I expected.
Avon Barksdale
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While I understand the panic, the program has suffered these losses for years under past "coaching greats" Norm Roberts and Steve Lavin:
Norm's first season 04-05 (with Showtime and Lamont Hamilton) we lost:
to St Francs College (the night they named CA after Coach C)
at Niagara by 21
at Illinois St
at Hofstra
2005-06
losses home vs Hofstra and to Marist in the Holiday Festival
06-07
Hofstra & Illinois State
07-08
Niagara & Ohio
08-09
n/a
09-10
Cornell
10-11
St Boneventure & Fordham (and St Marys)
11-12
Northeastern & Detroit
12-13
Murray State, UNC Asheville, San Francisco
13-14
Penn St & Robert MOrris
NJIT is a good mid major which we saw last year. They played Providnece tough. Fordham is improved and an A10 team.
When CM took over The program was literally at rock bottom due to Lavin's arrogance, laziness, incompetence and ineptitude. Mullin deserves time to rebuild and while he isnt exempt from criticism please dont forget the circumstances he inherited here which is 100% due to the previous "coach".....the staff is working hard and while we have said that before about Norm's staff, this staff brings great experience and a proven track record, which is why we shouldnt panic.
LoVett is coming back and will bring much relief. Support the staff and the kids this year no matter what ....even if the record isnt what the redmen.com "experts" think it should be.
Go Redmen!
Norm's first season 04-05 (with Showtime and Lamont Hamilton) we lost:
to St Francs College (the night they named CA after Coach C)
at Niagara by 21
at Illinois St
at Hofstra
2005-06
losses home vs Hofstra and to Marist in the Holiday Festival
06-07
Hofstra & Illinois State
07-08
Niagara & Ohio
08-09
n/a
09-10
Cornell
10-11
St Boneventure & Fordham (and St Marys)
11-12
Northeastern & Detroit
12-13
Murray State, UNC Asheville, San Francisco
13-14
Penn St & Robert MOrris
NJIT is a good mid major which we saw last year. They played Providnece tough. Fordham is improved and an A10 team.
When CM took over The program was literally at rock bottom due to Lavin's arrogance, laziness, incompetence and ineptitude. Mullin deserves time to rebuild and while he isnt exempt from criticism please dont forget the circumstances he inherited here which is 100% due to the previous "coach".....the staff is working hard and while we have said that before about Norm's staff, this staff brings great experience and a proven track record, which is why we shouldnt panic.
LoVett is coming back and will bring much relief. Support the staff and the kids this year no matter what ....even if the record isnt what the redmen.com "experts" think it should be.
Go Redmen!
we are sju
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I understand physical limitations are at play, but Mussini's defense seems to also include a lack of effort. That is a little disturbing.
Also for the record I like offense and shooters in particular. Criticizing Mussini who I like does not come easy, but he has to pay attention and play much harder on that end just to not be a disaster. If he keeps playing this way once team hopefully gets more talented, he is going find minutes hard to come by.
we are sju
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No one one sane is blaming Mullin for this. Everyone understands the hand he was dealt and you can only do so much with 7 & 3 off suit. Still bad hand or not the team's lack of athleticism is pretty amazing.
My only issue with coaching staff is there does seem to be a lack of effort on D. Awareness, rotate and put your hands up are the minimum you should be asked to do. That def needs to be addressed.
Ray Morgan
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When one player or team has a career game against you, you chalk it up to bad luck. When it happens again the next game, you chalk it up to bad defense. Team has no doubt regressed after the Syracuse win. Energy level was low. They needed an energy booster like Felix. Can't blame it all on lack of athleticism. Lavin's teams had an abundance of that, and his teams often had trouble defending the 3. They may have figured it out by the time they were seniors, but not before then.
Recognize the shooters, close out, hands up.
Recognize the shooters, close out, hands up.
The lack of effort is what bothers me the most.
Thinking back I'd think the 2 incoming coaches that were dealt the worst hand as far as taking over a job is Mullin from Lavin and Norm from Jarvis
You can have no talent and at least make it look like you are putting effort in on defense though
Thinking back I'd think the 2 incoming coaches that were dealt the worst hand as far as taking over a job is Mullin from Lavin and Norm from Jarvis
You can have no talent and at least make it look like you are putting effort in on defense though
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It seems to me that the staff understands that foot speed and athleticism is a problem and the team seems to have a philosophy of helping on dribble penetration. The problem is the kids are either not committed or confused because they are kind of going over half way, not really helping and then losing the guy they were supposed to be guarding.
The part of this team that I think will help us the most going forward is Yawke and Sima. I would like to see them play more together. Mvouika in my opinion is more comsistent than Johnson so I would put him in the starting lineup with Ellison and Mussini unless Lovett becomes eligible. Jones is not been bad if he stops shooting jumpers and along with Johnson, Amar and Felix(if he gets healthy) as the bench. We need to do whatever we can to improve the freshmen as they all have limitations.
I am apt to think it is confusion & lack of concentration, but who knows.
Btw, one of the most knowledgeable posters re X&Os in my opinion is Weatherman. Yesterday at the debacle he astutely pointed out ,after NJIT successfully ran same offensive "stuff" repeatedly, that the team lacks awareness & ability to adjust defensively. I concur. Hopefully maturation & experience will equate to improvement. If this is all lack of effort, staff has their work cut out for them for sure. Go Johnnies!
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I don't know that there is a lot of tweaking to be done with this lineup that will somehow change results. There is a limited amount of talent on this squad, and although guys on this team will have their moments and some will put up career best numbers this season, the reality is that the roster by necessity was assembled very quickly by going after the best of the available unsigned players. While Sima, Yakwe, Mussini, and one or two others appear to have bright futures, Mullin began with 3 bench players who saw limited action, and did a good job putting together a roster. That statement isn't to be confused with putting together a great young squad.
Beating Syracuse was a great win, but for many here to dream of NIT was sort of crazy. This was not your classic Cuse team or performance. In the past if an SJU team like this tried to bust Syracuse by dropping it into the post, that player would immediately run into a couple of athletic 6'9-6'11" beast while the guards swarmed. The perimeter defense dared Mussini, Johnson, and Amar to shoot over them - something Mussini has no trouble with, and Johnson and Amar had very good days. I suspect had Boeheim been on the bench, the outcome would have been different. Still, a fantastic, mood elevating win.
I didn't get too excited after the win vs. Syracuse, and I'm not upset at these losses. This season is a season of experience. Mussini will become a much better ball handler and much better player by doing things he's never done before. As the season progresses, I suspect if Lou C. has Mullin's ear that Mussini will begin to play like a classic SJU PG from Lou's heyday. Shoot only when open, minimize your mistakes, and make your primary job to run the team. Mussini is a much worse shooter trying to create his own shot, really can't take the ball to the hoop, and will have mounds of difficulty on this team vs. a man to man defense. Surrounded by better talent, his own skills will be maximized, and this season will be a tremendous learning experience for him.
Mullin's job is to prepare them to play one game at a time, leave it on the court on defense, and play sound basketball. On most nights it will not be nearly enough, but should be enough to squeeze out 3 wins or more.
After seeing us play 4 or 5 games, I thought this team was a 10 to 12 win team. 12-18 would be a nice season for these guys, and 10 would be acceptable IMO. Each of the guys in the rotation should be playing for something - the chance to play overseas for the older guys, and a chance to improve skills for the younger guys. For the program it's somewhat of a lost season, but it is what it is.
Beating Syracuse was a great win, but for many here to dream of NIT was sort of crazy. This was not your classic Cuse team or performance. In the past if an SJU team like this tried to bust Syracuse by dropping it into the post, that player would immediately run into a couple of athletic 6'9-6'11" beast while the guards swarmed. The perimeter defense dared Mussini, Johnson, and Amar to shoot over them - something Mussini has no trouble with, and Johnson and Amar had very good days. I suspect had Boeheim been on the bench, the outcome would have been different. Still, a fantastic, mood elevating win.
I didn't get too excited after the win vs. Syracuse, and I'm not upset at these losses. This season is a season of experience. Mussini will become a much better ball handler and much better player by doing things he's never done before. As the season progresses, I suspect if Lou C. has Mullin's ear that Mussini will begin to play like a classic SJU PG from Lou's heyday. Shoot only when open, minimize your mistakes, and make your primary job to run the team. Mussini is a much worse shooter trying to create his own shot, really can't take the ball to the hoop, and will have mounds of difficulty on this team vs. a man to man defense. Surrounded by better talent, his own skills will be maximized, and this season will be a tremendous learning experience for him.
Mullin's job is to prepare them to play one game at a time, leave it on the court on defense, and play sound basketball. On most nights it will not be nearly enough, but should be enough to squeeze out 3 wins or more.
After seeing us play 4 or 5 games, I thought this team was a 10 to 12 win team. 12-18 would be a nice season for these guys, and 10 would be acceptable IMO. Each of the guys in the rotation should be playing for something - the chance to play overseas for the older guys, and a chance to improve skills for the younger guys. For the program it's somewhat of a lost season, but it is what it is.
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Besides the Mussini D issue, this conversation with Johnson and Mullin needs to happen:
Johnson: I LOVE SHOOTING
Mullin: Take it easy, Champ. Why don't you sit this next one out, stop SHOOTING for a while.
Johnson: I LOVE SHOOTING
Mullin: Take it easy, Champ. Why don't you sit this next one out, stop SHOOTING for a while.
Unlike Incarnate where we were just awful, we should have won the game against NJIT. We committed less turnovers and out rebounded them. The difference was they hit a much larger percentage of their open 3's. We need to reign in some of these guys that can't shoot 3's at a reasonable percentage.