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beast of the east · Nov 30, 2016

Some property border dispute where his neighbor has a driveway near Pete's property line (not very close though) and Pete had the road bulldozed and covered with rocks to make it unusable because he felt it violated his privacy. Don't know if or how it was resolved.

sirvoo · Nov 30, 2016

No issue with Buck's frustration. But we are all-in on the Mullin regime. The administration and fans all wanted this. Lavin was completely blindsided and pushed out by Mullin, the administration and many of fans who were aware CM was positioning himself for this job.

When you're all in you don't cash out when the payout is shit. We'd be foolish to give up on CM now. Get him some help in the form of an experienced NBA level assistant. A guy who breathes basketball and lost his family because he got too caught up in the job in the past. Find me someone with that cred for the love of God!

NYCRedmen · Nov 30, 2016

I have to respectfully disagree on one point Sirvoo, there were people who didn't want Lavin gone. It's obviously not an issue any more & yes I agree, everyone either was (or is) pulling for Mullin to succeed. But I know several fans who would have preferred that we had kept Lavin & were not happy with the Mullin hiring for the exact reason people are now bringing up (the fear of the Drexler in Houston thing happening). You make a good point about being foolish to give up on him now, all we can do is hope that this group turns it around & fast. This board, if it's not there already, will be in full meltdown mode if we lose to Tulane and/or Cal St. Northridge, in my opinion.

sirvoo · Nov 30, 2016

Very true I was speaking in general terms RE: Lavin but there definitely was a contingent who did not want him sacked. Also he didn't leave the cupboard as dry as many may think. Jordan would've stayed(and likely wouldn't be in jail until a later date). Also B Sampson and CO.

we are sju · Nov 30, 2016

Poor Mullin. Legacy at ST John's taking a kick the dick since he graduated.
First Terrance sullied the Mullin name with his play, now RF killing number 20 and that is before we even get to his coaching record.

Sjugrad13 · Nov 30, 2016

I'm in that contingent on Lavin. Lavin made my college experience great with his tenure. I do have a soft spot for him.

mjmaherjr · Nov 30, 2016

Basically we have to hope for the best. Nights like last night are tough to take and I'm still angry about it and what looks like to be a lost season already.

For me the reality is I was expecting 15 wins and no postseason. I don't even know if we will get 10 wins at this rate. We have our recruiting class for next year all locked up so no matter what happens this year we just have to hope the team stays intact with no major defections and pray that at the end of the year we are playing cohesively and that it looks like they are either learning something or being taught something

I don't think Mitch is the problem since he wasn't the problem last year. I don't think Mattt is the problem. The answer is simple. If by the end of the year there is no growth or semblance of defense or anything else and we know Chris sees his job as more delegating then the answer is we can't continue to be the St Jeans Red Storm and Chris needs to look for more help.

He might be the brightest young basketball mind in the world and I hope he has a bright future and if we turn it around I hope the future is with us. My humble opinion is he got thrown into the fire too quickly and that what we might need is someone more seasoned with running a college basketball team as an assistant head coach. That's not being derogatory toward him at all. You can't teach experience. It takes a long time to learn

1and1sju · Nov 30, 2016

That's adorable. But Lavin was a fraud and an embarassment, and if you can't see that then youve fallen for his dog and pony show, in which case there is little chance logic or reason will change your misguided opinion.

In short, Lavin is everything wrong with this world. Self absorbed, lazy, and lacking in substance. He is a salesman for himself, and found excuses for everything that happened to him.

mjmaherjr · Nov 30, 2016

If he was so self absorbed and lacking substance why did he cancel leaving meetings in atlantic city back to new york to meet people and instead very low key went to visit Jordan in prison when not 1 news outlet knew about it ( this is a mjmaher exclusive ).

He literally decided on a whim to cut off all plans and went to visit Jordan without more than an hour or 2 notice because he wanted to see how he was doing and if his family was ok

1and1sju · Nov 30, 2016

That is a great anecdote Mike. And it shows that he has a heart. But he did this after his coaching days were over.
While he was here he used his players and own tragedies as an excuse whenever he could. That info didn't need to be made public. And he lacked the substance of a basketball coach. Every loss he explained away with bs. "Well we didn't have enough moxy today, I thought we brought an adjustable wrench to the game but it was rusty". Wtf does that even mean? His explanation one game included a reference to Robin hood, I kid you not.

That said, I've never questioned if he has a spot in his heart for his players. It's everything else I have a problem with.

MainMan · Nov 30, 2016

I liked Steve Lavin and thought he did a lot of good things here.

1and1sju · Nov 30, 2016

Lavin also recruited an embarassing group of criminals to come here.
Jordan wold commit armed robbery. The Dela Rosas assaulted their own teammate!
Kurt thomas, assault. And that doesn't even count the ones he didn't land like Artis the alleged rapist from Oregon.

MainMan · Nov 30, 2016

This is probably not the argument you want to make considering the, ahem, current recruiting class.

beast of the east · Nov 30, 2016

I am totally with you on this subject. I think Lavin really has a paternal heart for his players, and I think they liked him as well. He may have recruited the wrong guys, and he may have been a little too low key, complacent, lazy, or Californian for our tastes, but I do not doubt his sincerity towards his players for one second.

I will say one thing - Lavin led the timeout huddles, and for the most part had everyone's eyes on him when he spoke.

Good post, no great post. Father Rock tried to help Jordan also. The mere fact that Lavin wnet to visit him shows his legitimate care and concern for former players. You can spin this any way you want if you hated Lavin, but to do so is a load of crap. This wasn't a photo op, it's something done quietly that you happened to hear about. Thank you.

paultzman · Nov 30, 2016

Never was a fan of Lavin, but this week seems painful enough without a Hatfields v McCoys redux.

beast of the east · Nov 30, 2016

Let's stop this crazy talk right now.

Maybe Mullin is a crappy coach right now. Crappy might be a compliment. Maybe we should have whipped Delaware's ass, even if it was just Amar pouring in 35 points. Maybe it was the worst defense I've seen since my 4th grade CYO team got whipped by some Brooklyn kids who were a foot taller and ran like rocket ships and some of them shaved.

But remember this: Mullin came here in April, 2015 after fall recruiting was just about done. He scooped us the best of the remaining kids out there and there were slim pickings. This year's class doesn't seem to have a lot of gems, but the roster is balanced. His third year players will mostly reflect 2 years of recruiting, and he was left with NOTHING for year one. So to be fair to him, even if he isn't even a fair coach right now, is that he essentially has one recruiting class that built on nothing. I would like to see these guys playing good basketball even if they aren't the most talented, but our expectations for them appear to be way too high - including anointing Lovett/Ponds as the best ever at SJU after one legitimate D1 opponent (Minnesota).

Sjugrad13 · Nov 30, 2016

Bro he had freaking cancer and still was coaching, that's " substance" if you ask me. Every loss he explained away with BS? Bro he's a laid back person, there is nothing wrong with that. Compared to what I'm seeing out of Mullin in terms of results, I'll take the laid back mentality.

To be fair im 28 years old, so I have no care or love affair with Mullin, but you guys are crazy if you don't think Lavin is the superior coach BY FAR.

MainMan · Nov 30, 2016

Shit just got real.

ras · Nov 30, 2016

. I disagree about the board being in full meltdown if we loose to Tulane. I expect to loose. Tulane away is not Del St at home. On the other hand, a win at Tulane will allow some posters to step away from the ledge.

NYCRedmen · Nov 30, 2016

Since I opened the Lavin can of worms, I'll just say the following. I would have preferred he stayed but not b/c of his coaching, but b/c I wanted some damn stability for the program. A new coach every 4.5 years is never good for any program. Yes, I hated the 0-3 conference play starts & the March meltdowns, but I guess you had to take the good with the bad. Ironically he's the only coach since Louie to take all of his teams to the postseason, I'm not counting year 2 since he only coached 4 games. Anyway, it's water under the bridge, time to move on.

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