Next Coach?
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good points. In fairness I think you could asterisk the first two or three seasons at VT. First season was the first and only season VT entered Big East basketball and the next were first entering ACC. Out of the frying pan and into the fire. Last season when he was fired legitimately big question mark.
Spocky Ramone
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We all have different hot button topics regarding Coach (TO management, coachspeak, wardrobe, etc.). For me, it's the off-the-court drama. If he is retained, I am confident that he can do what he did four years ago, but I am not satisfied with NCAA appearances being Leap Year-esque.
If Coach and the University part company, my feelings are:
Billy the Kid - if he's unhappy in the Sunshine State and we are willing to pay him the big-time money that he wants, then we need to go all-out. Don't contact him with a low-ball bid, it's embarrassing. If you want to be big time, you need to act big time.
A Hurley or Miller - I like the coach's son. I think you can win at St John's, and if they do and we pay them, they will stay. Hurley's are both tri-state guys, no reason to believe they will definitely bolt. And if any of them do well enough to get a better offer, then that proves you can be successful here and will attract a top-flight candidate.
Cluess - Yes, his teams play no defense, but they are fun to watch and he's a helluva coach. He has been enormously successful wherever he's gone. And I'd be willing to bet that we are his dream job.
No retreads like Amaker and Greenberg.
Not a fan of Dixon, Pitt wins in the regular season by grinding out wins (aka big D, no O, aka boring basketball), then flames out in March.
Don't know about Howland. I don't mind a coach who goes a bit nuts on the sidelines, I do mind a guy who alienates everyone around him, and that's what I've heard about him.
Or maybe Knight could take over the team. Wait, what?
If Coach and the University part company, my feelings are:
Billy the Kid - if he's unhappy in the Sunshine State and we are willing to pay him the big-time money that he wants, then we need to go all-out. Don't contact him with a low-ball bid, it's embarrassing. If you want to be big time, you need to act big time.
A Hurley or Miller - I like the coach's son. I think you can win at St John's, and if they do and we pay them, they will stay. Hurley's are both tri-state guys, no reason to believe they will definitely bolt. And if any of them do well enough to get a better offer, then that proves you can be successful here and will attract a top-flight candidate.
Cluess - Yes, his teams play no defense, but they are fun to watch and he's a helluva coach. He has been enormously successful wherever he's gone. And I'd be willing to bet that we are his dream job.
No retreads like Amaker and Greenberg.
Not a fan of Dixon, Pitt wins in the regular season by grinding out wins (aka big D, no O, aka boring basketball), then flames out in March.
Don't know about Howland. I don't mind a coach who goes a bit nuts on the sidelines, I do mind a guy who alienates everyone around him, and that's what I've heard about him.
Or maybe Knight could take over the team. Wait, what?
I'm assuming you're going by ESPN's rankings. ESPN HS hoop rankings are garbage nowadays. They've lost their key "guru" guys.
Providence only has one possible 4-star kid, and that might be seriously pushing it. The other players are more of the 3 and 2-star variety.
I think we need to learn from the past or we are doomed to repeat it. Fortunately there (and unfortunately overall), no program in the country has as much to learn from.
Taking Roberts, Mahoney, Fraschilla, Jarvis, an Lavin as a whole, we know what we need to avoid: anyone labeled as crazy, anyone that has not achieved success in the past, anyone that is disliked by former fans, anyone whose main accomplishment is winning at Manhattan (clearly not a tough thing to do), anyone that is not known as a hard worker AND quality x's and o's guy, and anyone who was has been out of the coaching game for more than a season.
That pretty much leaves Archie Miller, Shaka Smart, Gregg Marshall, and the Hurley brothers. Out of the Hurley brothers, I would prefer Bobby because Danny comes too close to the crazy category for my liking and the job Bobby has done at Buffalo is nothing short of amazing.
Obviously if you can get any of the first three (borderline miracle), you take them. If the rumors of Donovan are true, you at least have to kick the tires and make a serious, aggressive offer. If not--and you'll know fairly quickly--Bobby Hurley has to be the guy. This looks like Jay Wright part II all over again. I'm not sure I'm willing to see him win 25 games in two years at Depaul, SH, or some other school.
Taking Roberts, Mahoney, Fraschilla, Jarvis, an Lavin as a whole, we know what we need to avoid: anyone labeled as crazy, anyone that has not achieved success in the past, anyone that is disliked by former fans, anyone whose main accomplishment is winning at Manhattan (clearly not a tough thing to do), anyone that is not known as a hard worker AND quality x's and o's guy, and anyone who was has been out of the coaching game for more than a season.
That pretty much leaves Archie Miller, Shaka Smart, Gregg Marshall, and the Hurley brothers. Out of the Hurley brothers, I would prefer Bobby because Danny comes too close to the crazy category for my liking and the job Bobby has done at Buffalo is nothing short of amazing.
Obviously if you can get any of the first three (borderline miracle), you take them. If the rumors of Donovan are true, you at least have to kick the tires and make a serious, aggressive offer. If not--and you'll know fairly quickly--Bobby Hurley has to be the guy. This looks like Jay Wright part II all over again. I'm not sure I'm willing to see him win 25 games in two years at Depaul, SH, or some other school.
Smart keeps getting mentioned but he seems pretty happy to stay where he is. He is famous for rebuffing big programs like UCLA Any reason to think he'd be interested in St John's?
This is an article from a few days ago. There was one that pretty much read the same last year:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...5d3508-cdbd-11e4-8c54-ffb5ba6f2f69_story.html
This is an article from a few days ago. There was one that pretty much read the same last year:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...5d3508-cdbd-11e4-8c54-ffb5ba6f2f69_story.html
Norm was 24-84 as a head coach. He lost nearly 80% of the games he coached. His successor picked up the pieces from the mess he left and had them in the D-2 tournament a few times 4-5 years later.
I was excited for his hire when it was announced, but when that record came out later on I was in disbelief. Any due diligence on the part of the university would have uncovered that. The success that Papsonikis (whatever spelling) was achieving while the search was being held would have eliminated any excuse Norm had for why he was so awful.
Bobby Hurley should never, never, never, never be compared to Norm Roberts. Roberts had no history of winning as a coach. Hurley has won everywhere he's been, has an amazing pedigree, and is coming off his third rebuilding job.
tom in salem
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They lose Henton, Dunn DesRosiers and Harris.
Sampson is more highly rated than incoming PC recruit and Lavin isn't done.
If Obekpa plays last night and SJU wins, this thread would be closed.
You think Cooley is under heat for losing last night?
Don't let one game determine his future.
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The number that I heard was huge but in terms of being competitive it was close but actually less than he would make at FL. Hard for most of us to think of these kind of numbers as bargain hunting but it wasn't going to fly (and could even be considered insulting in relative terms) unless he had some reason to leave FL which he didn't. Now things are supposedly different. Regardless, worth at least getting into a discussion if there is openness to an offer. But again, no bargain to be had here relative terms or not.
Either way, any movement should be happening now, not doing the "he who hesitates is lost" shuffle which screwed us in the past. Either extend Lavin or don't. If not, the next guy should be in the mix right now.