Next Coach?

i don't think there is a quick fix coach out there with the exception to a billy donovan at Fla. Keep Lav and stop this nonsense.
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you may be right but either way the recruiting needs some instant traction and not just guards. I absolutely would not extend him unless he can show that there is something that makes sense going on. The last two recruiting cycles make very little sense and don't show any sort of master plan in place. Way too many excuses being flown around for results but there is zero excuse for the personnel profile of this team.
 
I've mostly stayed out of the Next Coach discussion during the season but if the school makes the move then my opinion of the names mentioned:

UPGRADES:
B. Donavan. If there are any truths to the rumor, then home run. Make the investment whatever it costs and this will change things immediately.
A Miller. Definitely
Seth Greenberg


WASH or WORSE:
Howland - good coach. Can he handle NY? I doubt it. Sorry LMF. Let's stay away from former Manhattan coaches (at all) and former UCLA coaches that left in a cloud.
Cluess - no. I like the idea of high powered offense, local good will and long term stability but to me this is a commitment to sustained mediocrity. I just don't see anything that says that results will be better on a bigger stage.
Dixon. Hadn't even occurred to me until reading Otis' post but interesting thought.
Jr. Pitino - no

DEFINITE NO:
Tommy Amaker - ludicrous
Fran redux - what is the word that = ludicrous squared?
Masiello - no (see Manhattan and fran squared)

GAMBLE with upside:
Bobby Hurley. Downside is that if he has success he'd be one of the first in line to replace K at Duke when he retires.
D Hurley. Some say he is the better coach but I'm not convinced - yet. I'd like to see him do something first and we'd probably need to pony up big and take a big gamble considering the state of the two programs.

And if we're just throwing names out there that to put out feelers and I have no idea of how feasible they are: Huggins would be a really interesting option. The guy is a complete a-hole but he can coach and develop players. Would make for some interesting press conferences. Loved how he dissed Bilas and Gotlieb like a pitbull.
Leonard Hamilton. Maybe he'd want to be in a basketball first situation?
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No argument with Billy Donovan in your first group, though I think that's nothing more than wishful thinking by some guys on the internet.

Archie Miller has done a sound job, but I don't think you can say he would be a sure thing at the next level, despite the crush some folks have on him based on recent events (as in, this season). IMHO he is in the category of Bobby Hurley, but ahead because he has more experience and has been competing in a higher level conference.

Everyone knows I am a fan of Seth Greenberg. However his resume does not compare to Howland. The stuff at the end of UCLA (and some of the crap that came put after and is mainly people with an axe to grind) is more due to the nature of UCLA than it is a knock on Howland. And before that it seems to me he was doing pretty damn well there, after doing pretty damn well at Pitt (with a whole different style, by the way). The guy built 3 programs from the dumpster, one of them in the BE, and has taken them to multiple Final 4s. Those guys don't fall off trees.

If for some lesson the chuckleheads at Michigan ran Beilein out, he would be right at the top of my lIst. Don't think that's happening though. Ditto Dixon.

So here it is:

1. Donovan (not happening)
2. Beilein (also not happening)
3. Howland (completely realistic)
4. Tie between Greenberg and Miller. Maybe edge to Miller. To steal somebody else's analogy, it's a question of whether you want the pitcher who wins 17 games every year (think Don Sutton) or the youngster who has great stuff but has only posted one good season so far. No clearcut answer to me, here
5. Bobby Hurley. A sound gamble. I couldnt complain if Howland and Miller turned down the job and they went this way.
6. Lavin (god help me)
7. Cluess
8. The field
Never: Masiello.
 
What is the deal with Mark Jackson? I heard mention that he has a poor relationship with SJU. What's up?
 
Getting some good players and making it back to the NCAA was an accomplishment by Lavin but certainly not something that leaves me happy or excited about what I expect to be a terrible year next season. Can he ever gather as much talent as he had the last few years again? I don't think so. He fell apart at UCLA and he is falling apart here. I see no upside to keeping him. Will make no predictions about the success of a replacement but I would not at all mind if we hire a young coach who is successful and leaves for a better opportunity. That can always happen. A program can survive that. See Butler.
 
I thought I remember Tim Cluess having not graduated from SJU, but Hofstra, and he did not leave on good terms. Please feel free to correct me if this is wrong.
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You are officially hereby corrected......for the 99th time. One more time and you will make the honor roll but never will get your picture on the wall like RickyBaldiMarcoSmith.
Speaking of which, his suspended St. John's players appeared as if a mirage last night in the NCAA Tournament! The girl has high level St. John's sources like none other!
I am sure he is still in shock that my unnamed sources were right about Tom Slick Hair Pecora was about to be fired. Mavens who urinate more basketball knowledge than Baldi even thought money would be an issue in letting Tommy Boy go but, like St. John's, money is not the issue, IMAGE IS!
Forget the national bulkshit search by the Rams, they are using this site's intrepid fans recommendations and will make Cluess and Bobby Hurley their #1 targets. Being an "image" school with a leafy campus in the crime infested Bronx, they will never attract a big name coach or big name top 50 recruits to play in their high school gym so Cluess would be a huge upgrade to Pecora except in good looks and slicked back hair.
 
I thought I remember Tim Cluess having not graduated from SJU, but Hofstra, and he did not leave on good terms. Please feel free to correct me if this is wrong.
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You are officially hereby corrected......for the 99th time. One more time and you will make the honor roll but never will get your picture on the wall like RickyBaldiMarcoSmith.
Speaking of which, his suspended St. John's players appeared as if a mirage last night in the NCAA Tournament! The girl has high level St. John's sources like none other!
I am sure he is still in shock that my unnamed sources were right about Tom Slick Hair Pecora was about to be fired. Mavens who urinate more basketball knowledge than Baldi even thought money would be an issue in letting Tommy Boy go but, like St. John's, money is not the issue, IMAGE IS!
Forget the national bulkshit search by the Rams, they are using this site's intrepid fans recommendations and will make Cluess and Bobby Hurley their #1 targets. Being an "image" school with a leafy campus in the crime infested Bronx, they will never attract a big name coach or big name top 50 recruits to play in their high school gym so Cluess would be a huge upgrade to Pecora except in good looks and slicked back hair.
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Huh?
 
What is the deal with Mark Jackson? I heard mention that he has a poor relationship with SJU. What's up?
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From what I heard he openly threw his name out there after norm was canned. he did not have coaching experience and jackson was pissed he didn't get an interview.
 
...Howland. The guy built 3 programs from the dumpster, one of them in the BE, and has taken them to multiple Final 4s. Those guys don't fall off trees.
So here it is:

1. Donovan (not happening)
2. Beilein (also not happening)
3. Howland (completely realistic)
4. Tie between Greenberg and Miller. Maybe edge to Miller. To steal somebody else's analogy, it's a question of whether you want the pitcher who wins 17 games every year (think Don Sutton) or the youngster who has great stuff but has only posted one good season so far. No clearcut answer to me, here
5. Bobby Hurley. A sound gamble. I couldnt complain if Howland and Miller turned down the job and they went this way.
6. Lavin (god help me)
7. Cluess
8. The field
Never: Masiello.
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very good list and order though I think Miller is the guy who in the right situation has both the chops and the long term future. Didn't even consider Beilein as a potential candidate but he'd be on my yes list. You're probably right about Howland and I doubt we'd ever feel like the inmates were running things under him but I think we'd get some of the same type of complaints about Lavin with Howland. In addition to the player conflict stuff, he got a reputation for being distant from the program. That stuff didn't sit well at UCLA and it won't at St. John's especially if local coaches and media are feeling spurned.

If BD is really unhappy at FL then we should be all over him at least trying. This was not the case last go around. I think BD is the one name that would actually get some donors to step up big as well. Would also get some of the peripheral interest such as sponsors excited.
 
You don't win in the big leagues div 1 without NBA caliber players...Cluess would be like a CYO coach at this level.. We would be basement dwellers...The BC of the ACC
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What players on Nova are NBA players?
 
Wins the past 4 seasons
15
19
23
22
Terrific recruiter who brought their program back.
Outook for next season?
Abysmal, given Dunn is probably gone.
Caach's name?
Ed Cooley.
Watch what you wish for.

Jack Heath — 'Better the devil you know than the devil you don't.
 
I don't want Greenberg, Howland or Leonard Hamilton
I would love to see Billy D. but don't think that's a realistic option
My second choice would be Archie Miller, who might be a realistic choice
I would also be happy with Bobby Hurley
Mark Jackson is one of my all time favorite Johnnies
But he left G.S. with the rep of being an egomaniac and a control freak
Most of all, I want to see Lavin leave
 
What is the appeal of Seth Greenberg besides being local? What recent success has he even had? Why is he out of a job so long? Can he recruit well?
 
Wins the past 4 seasons
15
19
23
22
Terrific recruiter who brought their program back.
Outook for next season?
Abysmal, given Dunn is probably gone.
Caach's name?
Ed Cooley.
Watch what you wish for.

Jack Heath — 'Better the devil you know than the devil you don't.
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Not sure Providence's outlook for next season is as "abysmal" as ours. Cooley has secured three 4-star recruits for next year.
 
I don't want Greenberg, Howland or Leonard Hamilton
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why not?
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They're all retreads
Greenberg didn't do a great job anywhere and has been out of coaching for years
Howland's been dumped twice and hasn't been able to land a job in a long time
Howland admitted that he was offered lower level jobs and turned them down
He thought he could "do better". Looks like he was wrong.
He also has a reputation of being a nasty S.O.B.
I saw Hamilton coach first hand at Miami. A terrible tactician. Makes Lavin look good.
Hamilton can recruit but can't coach his way out of a paper bag
 
What is the appeal of Seth Greenberg besides being local? What recent success has he even had? Why is he out of a job so long? Can he recruit well?
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He can coach and recruit. two time ACC COY. Big wins over top 5-10 teams including Duke, UNC, Wake & MD (when they were good). Wake and UNC were both #1 when he beat them. If VT hadn't fired him Louisville's Montrez Harrell was going to VT.

I don't know what went down at VT but his last year was indeed mediocre. I think VT just overreached. They had some big football success and jumped ship from the Big East and then thought they were a player in the ACC (basketball) and they just weren't.
 
I don't want Greenberg, Howland or Leonard Hamilton
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why not?
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They're all retreads
Greenberg didn't do a great job anywhere and has been out of coaching for years
Howland's been dumped twice and hasn't been able to land a job in a long time
Howland admitted that he was offered lower level jobs and turned them down
He thought he could "do better". Looks like he was wrong.
He also has a reputation of being a nasty S.O.B.
I saw Hamilton coach first hand at Miami. A terrible tactician. Makes Lavin look good.
Hamilton can recruit but can't coach his way out of a paper bag
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Greenberg did some nice coaching in the ACC with less talented squads facing NBA laden rosters, when it was without peer as the best conference and nobody expected anything from VT.
I just threw Hamilton's name out there but don't agree with you at all there. No big as he is probably nowhere on the radar.
 
I don't want Greenberg, Howland or Leonard Hamilton
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why not?
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They're all retreads
Greenberg didn't do a great job anywhere and has been out of coaching for years
Howland's been dumped twice and hasn't been able to land a job in a long time
Howland admitted that he was offered lower level jobs and turned them down
He thought he could "do better". Looks like he was wrong.
He also has a reputation of being a nasty S.O.B.
I saw Hamilton coach first hand at Miami. A terrible tactician. Makes Lavin look good.
Hamilton can recruit but can't coach his way out of a paper bag
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Not only that. Like Jarvis, he was aloof and had zero relationships with key Miami-area HS programs.
 
He can coach and recruit.......
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Coach Greenberg's records at South Florida and VaTech are mediocre at best. His teams had losing conference records:
@ South Florida 47 wins and 63 losses
@ Virginia Tech = 73 wins and 80 losses.

In addition Coach Greenberg earned only 1 NCAA appearance during his 16 year career at South Florida and Virginia Tech.
 
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