Next Coach?

This team has been unreal on national television this year.

Despite heartbreak, played great against duke, got great wins on national tv against providence, Xavier, seton hall, and now Georgetown.

I have a feeling this team is not gonna be one of those squads that gets nervous in the tournament and chokes out
 
It has been stated that we have to consider Lavin's body of work.....two 20 win seasons back to back for the first time in 15 years. I would say that is very compelling!
 
I think this thread should be closed once and for all it is embarrassing.
 
Lavin has been criticized about his first year with Norm's kids but this is what normally happens when a new coach inherits a senior team like Boston College
"This is a character win all around," BC first-year coach Jim Christian said. "I didn't inherit a group of freshman. I inherited a group of seniors. Late February, losing nine in a row, I don't know how many seniors would have played it out."
Sure was a character win, now to start over Those BC players never won anything either under Steve Donahue before Christian.
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Steve Donahue was the ivy league can't miss guy who was hired by BC around the same time as Lavin. It has to surprise everyone that he did not succeed at the next level. It just goes to show how hard it is to project which successful coach at the lower level leagues will win at the BE or ACC level of play. It is a bit of a crapshoot.
 
Lavin has been criticized about his first year with Norm's kids but this is what normally happens when a new coach inherits a senior team like Boston College
"This is a character win all around," BC first-year coach Jim Christian said. "I didn't inherit a group of freshman. I inherited a group of seniors. Late February, losing nine in a row, I don't know how many seniors would have played it out."
Sure was a character win, now to start over Those BC players never won anything either under Steve Donahue before Christian.
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Steve Donahue was the ivy league can't miss guy who was hired by BC around the same time as Lavin. It has to surprise everyone that he did not succeed at the next level. It just goes to show how hard it is to project which successful coach at the lower level leagues will win at the BE or ACC level of play. It is a bit of a crapshoot.
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Agree 100%, and it isn't only the midmajor guys moving to the big time who are gambles. There is a reason that Pat Riley jumped the Lakers, and then the Knicks, and finally off the bench with the Heat to back on the bench before leaving again. The same with Phil Jackson departing the Bulls for the Lakers and then leaving. A coach can only do so much and restoring any franchise takes time. It's not a 1 year proposition, and in the pros no one gets 5 years to rebuild. In college except for rare instances, it isn't instantaneous - you don't add water and win. That Lavin & staff were able to do that here in year one was pretty amazing, as amazing as the detractors who give credit to anyone but Lavin - including his predecessor - for engineering that wonderful season.
 
Did I just dream that entire conversation? Baldi?
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Ya seems that way. Guess you are alive in my dream under the bridge?
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waking up and reading you is just an awful start to one's day.
i remember the day when the mods here had the balls to ban you.
you've got 2 in your corner and, unfortunately, that's all it takes.
 
Shut it down shut it down. Let the grumpy old men bitch and moan on their own, somewhere else. Coach and the team has got us to the tourney. Delete this pathetic thread.
 
Shut it down shut it down. Let the grumpy old men bitch and moan on their own, somewhere else. Coach and the team has got us to the tourney. Delete this pathetic thread.
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lol They include among their numbers some young men and boys as well.

Let's not be agist!

:)
 
Odd how the regular Lavin haters, and I mean the extreme ones, have been pretty silent on this board after yesterday's win. Seems like their visceral hatred of Lavin trumps their wanting to see the guys win. I've always suspected that, even though they claim to root for the players to win but hate Lavin.

I've also often thought that the extreme haters, and I'm not referring to the posters who cite legitimate weaknesses in Lavin's coaching, have their own agenda. And based on some of the posts here, that's beginning to come across loud and clear.
 
Shut it down shut it down. Let the grumpy old men bitch and moan on their own, somewhere else. Coach and the team has got us to the tourney. Delete this pathetic thread.
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I am old, grumpy, well according to my wife, big time , but I fail to understand why it is not ok to feel and express that Lavin has accomplished too little in his 5 years here to renew him. I understand disagreeing and supporting Lavin, I have no problem with that at all, those opinions are as valid as mine. I also understand not knocking him at this point in time which I at least, have backed off of. I also have backed off of posting because of the inane theory by many on the board that not supporting Lavin means you don't support or root for the team. Ok, so be it, I will temper my posting, who really cares? But I have been a Johnnies fan for half a century and even if I were the only poster not in favor of Lavin, why can't I post that? Disagree, post why I am wrong but to censor what can or can't be posted is ridiculous. I could make a very strong argument that Pointer is to Lavin this year what Cain was to Mahoney his first year and how did that work out? But this post is not to knock Lavin; whether I think it was because of Pointer, or the blind squirrel theory, or whatever, Lavin HAS done a good job with this team. Regardless of whether they make the tournament or not, they ARE a demonstrably better team than last year. If anyone thinks that is enough to extend him, OK, express that. But I should have the same opportunity to dissent as long as it is done within the rules Paul has established. That is what a free exchange of ideas is all about. And for all those who think I will be traumatized should Lavin be extended, I will be right here, rooting and posting it as I see it. I may be wrong in my views as others see it but from where I sit that is what makes this site fantastic.
 
I've been one of Lavin's biggest critics and I still would be wary of extending him at the 2.5 mil price tag, but after the dry spells that we have had in the past I don't think you can fire him after this season assuming we make the NCAA Tournament. I still feel we can do much better than Lavin though. I would give him an incentive laden 2-3 year extension and force his hand. If we lose the next two years, we save money and he probably leaves on his own allowing us to not pay a buyout. If we win, everyone is happy.
 
Shut it down shut it down. Let the grumpy old men bitch and moan on their own, somewhere else. Coach and the team has got us to the tourney. Delete this pathetic thread.
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Agree our next coach is.......... Lavin and I am and have always been a supporter
 
I don't like locking threads, even if some topics bothered the hell out of me. As long as posters remain on point and are civil with one another, go at it.

This also goes for calling out people who disagree. Early on, the "Fire Lavin" crowd had their say, now it's the Lavin backers turn.

Isn't there a way a hot button thread like this one can be slowed to a halt organically? The way things are shaking out, no way Lavin goes anywhere. With Jordan's improvement as a linchpin, Lavin will bring in will be really good as well.

For the first time he has been coach here, he has felt pressure to win. Now Lavin can't just charm his way to a new deal. He has a new boss, who is serious about the way the University should be run. The new President wants to see results, and Lavin is delivering them.

Hopefully Lavin has turned the corner as a coach, much like his highest recruit ever at SJU (Jordan) has as a player.
 
Shut it down shut it down. Let the grumpy old men bitch and moan on their own, somewhere else. Coach and the team has got us to the tourney. Delete this pathetic thread.
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I am old, grumpy, well according to my wife, big time , but I fail to understand why it is not ok to feel and express that Lavin has accomplished too little in his 5 years here to renew him. I understand disagreeing and supporting Lavin, I have no problem with that at all, those opinions are as valid as mine. I also understand not knocking him at this point in time which I at least, have backed off of. I also have backed off of posting because of the inane theory by many on the board that not supporting Lavin means you don't support or root for the team. Ok, so be it, I will temper my posting, who really cares? But I have been a Johnnies fan for half a century and even if I were the only poster not in favor of Lavin, why can't I post that? Disagree, post why I am wrong but to censor what can or can't be posted is ridiculous. I could make a very strong argument that Pointer is to Lavin this year what Cain was to Mahoney his first year and how did that work out? But this post is not to knock Lavin; whether I think it was because of Pointer, or the blind squirrel theory, or whatever, Lavin HAS done a good job with this team. Regardless of whether they make the tournament or not, they ARE a demonstrably better team than last year. If anyone thinks that is enough to extend him, OK, express that. But I should have the same opportunity to dissent as long as it is done within the rules Paul has established. That is what a free exchange of ideas is all about. And for all those who think I will be traumatized should Lavin be extended, I will be right here, rooting and posting it as I see it. I may be wrong in my views as others see it but from where I sit that is what makes this site fantastic.
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There's a difference between critics like you, and those with an agenda that clearly has nothing to do with the team or actual coaching.

I'm a strong Lavin supporter, but I also may be wrong in my views, and I hope I can - like you - critically observe and if necessary change my opinion.

Speaking for myself, I welcome critics like you. I would be quite frightened (and despair for the world!) if everyone I spoke to agreed with me.

It is the others, the visceral haters, that, in my opinion, detract from this board, that I'd like to see gone.

:) Back under their rock, I say!!
 
I don't like locking threads, even if some topics bothered the hell out of me. As long as posters remain on point and are civil with one another, go at it.

This also goes for calling out people who disagree. Early on, the "Fire Lavin" crowd had their say, now it's the Lavin backers turn.

Isn't there a way a hot button thread like this one can be slowed to a halt organically? The way things are shaking out, no way Lavin goes anywhere. With Jordan's improvement as a linchpin, Lavin will bring in will be really good as well.

For the first time he has been coach here, he has felt pressure to win. Now Lavin can't just charm his way to a new deal. He has a new boss, who is serious about the way the University should be run. The new President wants to see results, and Lavin is delivering them.

Hopefully Lavin has turned the corner as a coach, much like his highest recruit ever at SJU (Jordan) has as a player.
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Agreed.
I haven't been a fan but he's made me a believer this season.
 
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