Next Coach?

My problem is that I believe Lavin knowingly sabotaged last year's recruiting class/efforts to secure an extension.
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It's beyond scary that this is what some of you truly believe.
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-He admitted that he stopped recruiting Isaiah Whitehead for the fear of perception of losing a NY kid

-He did not secure Chris McCullogh who was down to us and Cuse because he either felt that he had McCullough in the bag and/or Jakarr would be returning

-AAU teammates Abdul Malik Abu and Jared Terrell did not even mention SJU expressing interest after Both players included SJU on their cut list in the summer of 2013

-He was not recruiting locally as per the NY Post article in January 2014 even though he had to fill scholarships for Sanchez, Bourgault, Gift and any possible early entry candidates (Jakarr).

It's more scary that you are fine with headlines instead of results.
I'd love to see you prove that he worked his hardest to secure the '14 recruiting class.

No one but him brought up his contract extension when the team started off 0-5 in conference play last year.
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I don't see how this is proof of anything related to sabotaging his recruiting class intentionally.

Just like I can't prove that he worked his hardest, you can't prove that he didn't.

Please explain how sabotaging your own recruiting class is a method of getting an extension. Wouldn't you get an extension by getting the best possible recruits and winning with them?

Do you really think Coach Lavin purposely lost with the theory of that being his best route to an extension?

I think there are valid points on his coaching abilities and his overall recruiting. I would gladly welcome a proven winning coach to replace Lavin. BUT, I think it's paranoia or pure hatred of the man to really believe that he sabotaged his own recruiting class.
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I feel like I'm repeating myself.

If a coach refuses to go recruiting while having scholarships to fill, what does that mean? Explain to me why he would not be out recruiting and I'll drop it.

And hatred is pretty harsh. Seems like a cool guy but that has no bearing on him doing his job well.
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Just because he wasn't recruiting local players (reported by whom, local coaches and others who have a personal agenda) doesn't mean he wasn't recruiting elsewhere.

In January 2014 what local high school players who were seniors were available? What D1 schools did they pick. I can think of Whitehead and ADR.

I must have missed it, but please provide me with the article or quote where Lavin admitted to not recruiting Whitehead because of the perception of losing another local kid? A local kid who signed with a school who was going to hire his HS and AAU coach as an assistant coach. Could it be possible that was an angle he didn't really want to play?

what gets you a no brainier extension, winning games and showing a good recruiting glass coming in or losing and no prospects?

Not getting prospects makes it more difficult to get an extension. Just ask Jarvis and Norm who ultimately walked the plank for not winning or bringing in the recruits.
 
I like Lavin, I think he is good for the school and runs the program with integrity. That being said, if there is a coaching change, they HAVE TO offer the job to Mark Jackson. I don't know the backround to that relationship but in his 2nd year with the Warriors he proved he can coach at a high level. There are so many reasons why he is a good fit, at least reach out to him.
 
He stopped recruiting Whitehead because of ethics
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If he stopped recruiting because of ethics they should fire him for that alone.
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Really? Recruiting a player who is blackmailing you by agreeing to come only if you hire his coach as an assistant is ethical? That's not the ethics I learned at St. John's. And kudos to Lavin for not caving in to that, if that indeed was the case.
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I can't speak to the education you received at Saint John's. However, Larry Brown recruited Danny Manning by hiring Danny Manning's father as an assistant coach. He was rewarded with a national championship. Mike Screwshrenski recruited Chris Duhon and Carlos Boozer by getting jobs for Duhon's mother and Boozer's father. He was rewarded with a national championship. There's a long list of "blackmail." You want ethics? That's one vote for rehiring Norm. He was ethical as hell.
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You obviously have the point of view that you either have a clean program or a winning program. I have a different point of view. I believe you can have a clean program and a winning program. It is not either/or.

And I never asked you to speak to the eduction I had at St. John's, so thank you.
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I'm sorry. When you referenced "the ethics I learned at St. John's" I thought you were referring to "the education you received at Saint John's." Whereas evidently you were referring to something else other than "the eduction" [sic] you had at Saint John's, which are [sic[ something else entirely. My bad.
 
The coach next season should be Lavin, or Mark Jackson no other choice.
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I want a new coach as bad as anyone. That said, I would rather extend Lavin than bring in Mark Jackson.
 
He stopped recruiting Whitehead because of ethics
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If he stopped recruiting because of ethics they should fire him for that alone.
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Really? Recruiting a player who is blackmailing you by agreeing to come only if you hire his coach as an assistant is ethical? That's not the ethics I learned at St. John's. And kudos to Lavin for not caving in to that, if that indeed was the case.
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I can't speak to the education you received at Saint John's. However, Larry Brown recruited Danny Manning by hiring Danny Manning's father as an assistant coach. He was rewarded with a national championship. Mike Screwshrenski recruited Chris Duhon and Carlos Boozer by getting jobs for Duhon's mother and Boozer's father. He was rewarded with a national championship. There's a long list of "blackmail." You want ethics? That's one vote for rehiring Norm. He was ethical as hell.
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You obviously have the point of view that you either have a clean program or a winning program. I have a different point of view. I believe you can have a clean program and a winning program. It is not either/or.

And I never asked you to speak to the eduction I had at St. John's, so thank you.
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I'm sorry. When you referenced "the ethics I learned at St. John's" I thought you were referring to "the education you received at Saint John's." Whereas evidently you were referring to something else other than "the eduction" [sic] you had at Saint John's, which are [sic[ something else entirely. My bad.
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Yep. Makes perfect sense. :blink:
 
Dayton is out. Let's get an offer out to Archie immediately!

The guy is currently making less than $400K. We offer the following......

Year 1: $1,000,000 (Buy Lavin out for $1,200,000)
Year 2: $2,000,000 ($250,000 for NCAA)
Year 3: $2,125,000 ($250,000 for NCAA)
Year 4: $2,250,000 ($500,000 for NCAA)
Year 5: $2,375,000 ($500,000 for NCAA) -$1,500,000 buyout clause
Year 6: $2,500,000 ($500,000 for NCAA)
 
Dayton is out. Let's get an offer out to Archie immediately!

The guy is currently making less than $400K. We offer the following......

Year 1: $1,000,000 (Buy Lavin out for $1,200,000)
Year 2: $2,000,000 ($250,000 for NCAA)
Year 3: $2,125,000 ($250,000 for NCAA)
Year 4: $2,250,000 ($500,000 for NCAA)
Year 5: $2,375,000 ($500,000 for NCAA) -$1,500,000 buyout clause
Year 6: $2,500,000 ($500,000 for NCAA)
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You should be so generous at your church's collection box.
 
Dayton is out. Let's get an offer out to Archie immediately!

The guy is currently making less than $400K. We offer the following......

Year 1: $1,000,000 (Buy Lavin out for $1,200,000)
Year 2: $2,000,000 ($250,000 for NCAA)
Year 3: $2,125,000 ($250,000 for NCAA)
Year 4: $2,250,000 ($500,000 for NCAA)
Year 5: $2,375,000 ($500,000 for NCAA) -$1,500,000 buyout clause
Year 6: $2,500,000 ($500,000 for NCAA)
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You should be so generous at your church's collection box.
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I am selfless when it comes to other people's money.

Although.....I have given to SJU
 
Dayton is out. Let's get an offer out to Archie immediately!

The guy is currently making less than $400K. We offer the following......

Year 1: $1,000,000 (Buy Lavin out for $1,200,000)
Year 2: $2,000,000 ($250,000 for NCAA)
Year 3: $2,125,000 ($250,000 for NCAA)
Year 4: $2,250,000 ($500,000 for NCAA)
Year 5: $2,375,000 ($500,000 for NCAA) -$1,500,000 buyout clause
Year 6: $2,500,000 ($500,000 for NCAA)
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You should be so generous at your church's collection box.
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I am selfless when it comes to other people's money.

Although.....I have given to SJU
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That's chump change. He's heading to OSU for the real money
 
Dayton is out. Let's get an offer out to Archie immediately!

The guy is currently making less than $400K. We offer the following......

Year 1: $1,000,000 (Buy Lavin out for $1,200,000)
Year 2: $2,000,000 ($250,000 for NCAA)
Year 3: $2,125,000 ($250,000 for NCAA)
Year 4: $2,250,000 ($500,000 for NCAA)
Year 5: $2,375,000 ($500,000 for NCAA) -$1,500,000 buyout clause
Year 6: $2,500,000 ($500,000 for NCAA)
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You should be so generous at your church's collection box.
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I am selfless when it comes to other people's money.

Although.....I have given to SJU
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That's chump change. He's heading to OSU for the real money
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You could be right, but it's worth reaching out to his agent.
 
Dayton is out. Let's get an offer out to Archie immediately!

The guy is currently making less than $400K. We offer the following......

Year 1: $1,000,000 (Buy Lavin out for $1,200,000)
Year 2: $2,000,000 ($250,000 for NCAA)
Year 3: $2,125,000 ($250,000 for NCAA)
Year 4: $2,250,000 ($500,000 for NCAA)
Year 5: $2,375,000 ($500,000 for NCAA) -$1,500,000 buyout clause
Year 6: $2,500,000 ($500,000 for NCAA)
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You should be so generous at your church's collection box.
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I am selfless when it comes to other people's money.

Although.....I have given to SJU
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That's chump change. He's heading to OSU for the real money
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You could be right, but it's worth reaching out to his agent.
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This is way too much.
 
He's a Cali guy who prefers the laid back approach in everything.
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I don't think he willingly dogged it on the recruiting trail to get an extension, but this part I 100 percent agree with. He was born too early -- San Francisco is littered with hyper-aggressive, power-hungry D-bags now. He needs a little less hippie and more of whatever amount of aggressiveness is tolerable before becoming douchey.

Plus, I can recognize a fellow procrastinator, and he's a world-class one. The problem is I can wait until midnight to edit chapters from a book or bug-test a website and still get it done. Doesn't work so hot with recruiting.
 
The coach next season should be Lavin, or Mark Jackson no other choice.
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I want a new coach as bad as anyone. That said, I would rather extend Lavin then bring in Mark Jackson.
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So you want BOTH Lavin and Jackson?
You're as piggish as Calipari. ;)
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Ha ha , im drunk but Jackson is the answer
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Sorry to disappoint you but Mark Jackson is persona non grata at St. John's. But I want to see my fellow redmen lunatics happy. Hey, I'm a softy behind my evil mustache. So I hope this will satisfy your Jackson fantasy:


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He's a Cali guy who prefers the laid back approach in everything.
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I don't think he willingly dogged it on the recruiting trail to get an extension, but this part I 100 percent agree with. He was born too early -- San Francisco is littered with hyper-aggressive, power-hungry D-bags now. He needs a little less hippie and more of whatever amount of aggressiveness is tolerable before becoming douchey.

Plus, I can recognize a fellow procrastinator, and he's a world-class one. The problem is I can wait until midnight to edit chapters from a book or bug-test a website and still get it done. Doesn't work so hot with recruiting.
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My best friend just moved out to San Fran from Brooklyn in September. He took a tour of Oregon and Washington first and he's really struggling with the relaxed culture there quite a bit. He's very aggressive and has pretty bad road rage, but is a yoga instructor and raw foodist...go figure.
 
Not sure what OSU you are referring too but Thad Matta is not going anywhere that I have heard of. That being said, Miller could make way more money in Jamaica but the atmosphere and support are not what it is in Dayton. Great arena, great fan base...would be a tough call...well for him - i would follow the money if I could make 20 years worth of UD pay in 4 years at SJU.
 
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