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beast of the east
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Winners never give up hope.
Losers start leave the game in the 3rd inning.
After an 11-1 start, "fans" started to file out of the building after an 0-3 Big East start. Did they simply leave and go home? No. They sign on here.
Show some modicum of achievement, make the tournament two years in a row, and if after that the fans are still sour then you may have a point. But its unfair to judge a fanbase that's dealt with losing for so long. What program that has lost as much as us over the past decade plus, has "good fans"?
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Disco, forget all the good natured banter here on Redmen.com as some of us have learned to have fun with our misery and bad luck the past few years. Well, maybe more than a few but as miserable as we have been we still attend games, root for us to win and populate this great fan board. If this program ever regains any consistent winning tradition the fans will come out of the woodwork. The new Big East needs St. John's to be successful in the Big Apple and it needs a name coach on a national level. If money ever becomes an issue then we do not belong in the Big East.
%-) %-) Looking at the Manhattan-Iona first half only makes me more supportive of Lavin over these two guys. And if Jerome Lawerence had opted to transfer here, as most of us hoped he would, I can only imagine the vitriolic posts we'd be reading about Lavin's inability to develop his game. As it is, he's averaging 4 ppg and 1 rpg for the Jaspers, with 2 points in tonight's first half.
Coach K wouldn't have made the tournament two years in a row from where Lavin started. That is grossly unfair to measure him by. He made the tournament in 2011 and then had to turn over his entire roster except for an overmatched two-star PG that never played.
Nobody was winning with those freshmen. The sophs faired as well as you can expect (following a coaching turnover and Lavin's illness). Last year was the first season anyone could have reasoanbly expected success, but Lavin already had 50-60% of the fan base against him before that season even began. We still went 10-8 and won 20 games. If that is an epic disaster under Lavin...then, I'll take that for a very long time. Because an epic disaster under Norm was several 20-30 point blowouts, 5-6 wins in conference play, and no chance at being ranked or even being considered for the dance--to say nothing about having to rely on guys as starters that schools like Pitt and Uconn wanted to be 9,10,11, 12,and 13 on their roster.
beast of the east
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We play an 18 game conference schedule, yet when we played just 1/6th of it (16.66%) , many of our fans declared the season lost, and called for the coach to be fired, some immediately. You talk about unfair, but is it "fair" to call yourself a fan, yet subject the current roster and coaching staff to the weight of failures of prior rosters and even prior coaching regimes?
Yet, you think it's perfectly okay for a frustrated fan to castigate those who say "take it one game at a time", which is not an endorsement of Lavin, but merely a focused approach to concentrate on the task at hand - the next game. As I've said repeatedly, if at the end of Lavin's contract he doesn't warrant renewal, he will be gone.
And thank goodness the players have exhibited more resiliency than some of our fans, or else after an 0-3 start, we could easily have been 0-11.
For the record, I never have held that you are part of that group. Despite your dissatisfaction, which is generally reasonable, you acknowledge the positives of this team and just express that it's not good enough. In general it's the way most of us feel.
Avon Barksdale
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Using Norm as a barometer isn't good because he is the worst coach in the history of basketball. A staff of five posters from here could've done better than Norm did. He never should've gotten t he job in the first place so to say Lavin is better than him isn't exactly a great endorsement and it doesn't really set expectations high either.
The bottom line is in Year 5, there is a good chance that we miss the NCAAs again. That would be 4 times in five years and 12 in 13. (But who's counting at this point?)
The part most disturbing is Lavin will have managed to miss the NCAAs for the entire career of the # 3 class in the country with a top 25 point guard thrown in there the last two years. There have been questionable recruits brought in here and Lavin has continuously "reached" for kids with eligibility issues which has also costed us because there is ZERO depth on the roster right now.
And Lavin still gets too much of a pass for bringing in only Rysheed Jordan for the last two years of players who have contributed significantly.
And next year? We can be one of the worst teams in St. John's history if our six best players leave and DiAlo doesn't come here which is a very possible scenario.
So the criticism of Lavin, who is paid 2 mill a year to be our coach, is 100%%%%% warranted. He's in a Year 5 and there are still no tangible results.
With the talent on this team we shouldn't be talking about being on the bubble. We should be talking about contending for a conference title and how deep we can go in the NCAAs. Instead we are happy with being the last team in playing Old Dominion in Dayton. Its laughable that Lavin gets a pass n
tom in salem
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you said you're certain he's gone.
bad info possibly?
Avon Barksdale
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No, bad info would be after we blow a double digit lead to Duke in the second half someone coming on here and posting that he is being extended.
tom in salem
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so your certain he's gone?
Avon Barksdale
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When did I ever post anything differently?
Certainly nothing here. All I did was reply to marillac's post where I have outlined Lavin's failures.
Look at my previous posts and you can clearly see I'm not in Lavin's Support Group. My stance has been the same from the start of the season: Just win.
Let's say the team goes on a run here and makes the tournament. And in addition to that, Lavin brings in a solid '15 recruiting class. Isn't that a step in the right direction?
Without injury we'd be comfortably in the tourney right now. The # 3 recruiting class included Moe and Sampson if they were both on the team last year and this year we'd be talking back to back Big East championships instead of the bubble. That's the difference between coaching at St John's and Kentucky. We need our stud recruits to stay while they just reload. We can recruit Briscoe for 5 years and have him taken away from us. That's reality. If you don't like that you should find another school to cheer for and save yourself a lot of misery.
The tangible results are:
- 1 NCAA team that was as fun to watch as any and was 1 DJ injury away from maybe pulling off what UConn did
- 2 guys in the pros for a program that hadn't been putting anyone in the league for years.
- DeAngelo Harrison the school's 3rd leading scorer of all time
- Chris Opekpa the best shot blocker in school history
- more wins last 2 years than the year before and on pace to win more games again this year
- Brandon Sampson a top 50 recruit that the school would not get with a coach making less than the average salary we are paying
No one gives him a pass. Last year was a clear failure in my eyes. This year could be a failure as well but I have not given up yet like so many did last year after 0-5 and have after every loss this year. Everyone constantly repeats the same negatives over and over again. Don't you get bored constantly whining about the head coach? I'd rather talk about the games and players.