Next Coach?

Did Lavin really say in the post-game interviews that coach K is a mentor and adviser to him?

yes something like that

No problem there as coach K has been a mentor to many coaches and his disciples are many while even our little Looie had only the underwhelming Brian Mahoney. Coach K has 20+ more years of coaching experience and his pupils learn quickly. This year's team even will throw a zone on teams and they beat Louisville with that surprise move while our guys have been trying to learn it for 4 years and still suck at it.
 
yes and he had to throw in a Wooden reference too. If he gets extended the contract should include a mandatory douche jar and have him put $1,000 into it every time he says the word Wooden and $50,000 for UCLA

You could pay off the national debt with that arrangement. :)
 
I guess we put this thread on ice until the next game, huh?

No, this is the problem: were playing basically the same type of basketball every game. I truly don't understand why people get so up and down, because this looked just like the way we played against Seton Hall, Butler,Providence and Depaul. The fact we won tonight and at Providence, and lost the others is not cause for extreme reactions. We're actually a very consistent team lately, with the exception of a few threes that dropped a gains the friars.

You either like what you've seen, or you dont. This game to game reaction stuff is nonsense.

+1,000.

The question isn't whether we win or lose a particular game, or even whether we play well or not in any particular game. The question is whether as a whole we play good basketball and are building an identity as a program.

Whether we get crushed by Duke, or come out with an inspired effort and pull the upset, or (most likely) hang tough for 20 or 30 minutes and then fade won't change the big picture at all.

Every game circumstance is different. We could have easily lost last night, just as we could have easily won vs. Butler or DePaul or Seton Hall. I'll take winning and not playing optimally, over losing and playing well. Unless there is a D1 college coach here on Redmen.com who knows better, I'd say the strategy yesterday worked because we won. Using Amar to provide meaningful minutes was a good call, and had he been shuffled off the floor in time to avoid foul #4, he'd have been serviceable in the first half.

In terms of Harrison's shooting, I don't think he would make the excuse that he had a sore leg. HE wasn't limping, and certainly while it was wrapped in the second half, to start the game he shot just horribly - something we've seen before from him. I can't say it was his injury, and to assert that it was is just presumptuous with basis and nothing more.


Credit Vince Lombardi:

“Winning is not a sometime thing; it’s an all the time thing. You don’t win once in a while; you don’t do things right once in a while; you do them right all the time. Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.

“There is no room for second place. There is only one place in my game, and that’s first place. I have finished second twice in my time at Green Bay, and I don’t ever want to finish second again. There is a second place bowl game, but it is a game for losers played by losers. It is and always has been an American zeal to be first in anything we do, and to win, and to win, and to win.

“Every time a football player goes to play his trade he’s got to play from the ground up – from the soles of his feet right up to his head. Every inch of him has to play. Some guys play with their heads. That’s O.K. You’ve got to be smart to be number one in any business. But more importantly, you’ve got to play with your heart, with every fiber of your body. If you’re lucky enough to find a guy with a lot of head and a lot of heart, he’s never going to come off the field second.

“Running a football team is no different than running any other kind of organization – an army, a political party or a business. The principles are the same. The object is to win – to beat the other guy. Maybe that sounds hard or cruel. I don’t think it is.”

“It is a reality of life that men are competitive and the most competitive games draw the most competitive men. That’s why they are there – to compete. To know the rules and objectives when they get in the game. The object is to win fairly, squarely, by the rules – but to win.”

“And in truth, I’ve never known a man worth his salt who in the long run, deep down in his heart, didn’t appreciate the grind, the discipline. There is something in good men that really yearns for discipline and the harsh reality of head to head combat.”

“I don’t say these things because I believe in the ‘brute’ nature of man or that men must be brutalized to be combative. I believe in God, and I believe in human decency. But I firmly believe that any man’s finest hour – his greatest fulfillment to all he holds dear – is that moment when he has to work his heart out in a good cause and he’s exhausted on the field of battle – victorious.”

Vince Lombardi


"Just win.......baby"-Al Davis
 
Win is a win. IMO coaches don't win/lose games. But it's comical here, when we win it's the players who win it. When we lose, kill the coach. A coach can only do or not do so much, it should not affect the overall outcome of a game. The overall outcome of the came depends on how many times you put the ball in the bucket and how many times you stop the other team from doing so. This thread is a joke.

Then Coaches sure get paid handsomely to not have an influence on winning or losing games. I guess the next coach can be selected by drawing a name out of a hat.
 
Win is a win. IMO coaches don't win/lose games. But it's comical here, when we win it's the players who win it. When we lose, kill the coach. A coach can only do or not do so much, it should not affect the overall outcome of a game. The overall outcome of the came depends on how many times you put the ball in the bucket and how many times you stop the other team from doing so. This thread is a joke.

Then Coaches sure get paid handsomely to not have an influence on winning or losing games. I guess the next coach can be selected by drawing a name out of a hat.

"I don't care how many games we lose. I'm a teacher damnit."
Mike Jarvis
 
btw what happened to manhattan this year ? they totally suck and lost again tonight
 
btw what happened to manhattan this year ? they totally suck and lost again tonight

Not to mention Jermaine Lawrence getting like 12 mins per game. How do you go from a top 30 recruit to not even playing with a mid major team?
 
btw what happened to manhattan this year ? they totally suck and lost again tonight

The AD & Mas don't seem to get along. Trouble brewing?

Watched him interviewed last week by sportscaster on one of the local channel. Guy just completely rubs me the wrong. Talk about a guy with a line of crap. I wouldn't go near him under any circumstance.
 
btw what happened to manhattan this year ? they totally suck and lost again tonight

Not to mention Jermaine Lawrence getting like 12 mins per game. How do you go from a top 30 recruit to not even playing with a mid major team?

That's why I hate rankings except of course maybe top 20 rankings. Would rather see a kid first play some college games before determining how good they are. It's a big jump in competition for many.
 
btw what happened to manhattan this year ? they totally suck and lost again tonight

Not to mention Jermaine Lawrence getting like 12 mins per game. How do you go from a top 30 recruit to not even playing with a mid major team?

That's why I hate rankings except of course maybe top 20 rankings. Would rather see a kid first play some college games before determining how good they are. It's a big jump in competition for many.

With a few scholarships to give each year, you have to make an assessment of how good a kid is before you recruit him. Granted, rankings are not gospel, but you can generally get a sense of where a recruit is. Of course there are always kids like Fred Van Vleet who exceeds expectation, as well as a Jermaine Lawrence doesn't perform to the level predicted.
 
btw what happened to manhattan this year ? they totally suck and lost again tonight

Not to mention Jermaine Lawrence getting like 12 mins per game. How do you go from a top 30 recruit to not even playing with a mid major team?

That's why I hate rankings except of course maybe top 20 rankings. Would rather see a kid first play some college games before determining how good they are. It's a big jump in competition for many.

With a few scholarships to give each year, you have to make an assessment of how good a kid is before you recruit him. Granted, rankings are not gospel, but you can generally get a sense of where a recruit is. Of course there are always kids like Fred Van Vleet who exceeds expectation, as well as a Jermaine Lawrence doesn't perform to the level predicted.

Agreed rankings mean something, although not the be all end all. But IMO there's no substitute for watching a kid play in person. Preferably multiple times and in games against the highest level of competition the kid faces.
 
btw what happened to manhattan this year ? they totally suck and lost again tonight

Not to mention Jermaine Lawrence getting like 12 mins per game. How do you go from a top 30 recruit to not even playing with a mid major team?

That's why I hate rankings except of course maybe top 20 rankings. Would rather see a kid first play some college games before determining how good they are. It's a big jump in competition for many.

With a few scholarships to give each year, you have to make an assessment of how good a kid is before you recruit him. Granted, rankings are not gospel, but you can generally get a sense of where a recruit is. Of course there are always kids like Fred Van Vleet who exceeds expectation, as well as a Jermaine Lawrence doesn't perform to the level predicted.

I meant from a fan standpoint, of the course is paid to evaluate a kid earlier.
 
btw what happened to manhattan this year ? they totally suck and lost again tonight

Not to mention Jermaine Lawrence getting like 12 mins per game. How do you go from a top 30 recruit to not even playing with a mid major team?

That's why I hate rankings except of course maybe top 20 rankings. Would rather see a kid first play some college games before determining how good they are. It's a big jump in competition for many.

With a few scholarships to give each year, you have to make an assessment of how good a kid is before you recruit him. Granted, rankings are not gospel, but you can generally get a sense of where a recruit is. Of course there are always kids like Fred Van Vleet who exceeds expectation, as well as a Jermaine Lawrence doesn't perform to the level predicted.

I remember speaking to someone a few years ago, and hearing about Van Vleet. I had never seen him play, as a high schooler, so I wasn't aware of his game. The person told me that Van Vleet was very, underrated as a recruit (#138, per Rivals), and could end up being one of the better point guards in the 2012 class.
 
I will add another name to the coach candidate list. This guy might be unobtainable by St, Johns, but his current school is in a horrible conference and from a name recognition perspective, his school is no where. How about Josh Pastner at Memphis?

He would bring a proven track record, and a familiarity with running a major program. He handles the media well.

But SJU probably can't afford him...stick with Lavin.
 
Mark Jackson is next in line, from a good source. But, we have a coach. We have a coach who brought us a ranked team, and a team who can do some damage. Plenty of ball to play. College teams burn out these days way too early, ask Jay Wright and Coach K. March is hell. I like this regrouping and struggle we are in. We don't want a cake walk and be smacked in the face in March.
 
Mark Jackson is next in line, from a good source. But, we have a coach. We have a coach who brought us a ranked team, and a team who can do some damage. Plenty of ball to play. College teams burn out these days way too early, ask Jay Wright and Coach K. March is hell. I like this regrouping and struggle we are in. We don't want a cake walk and be smacked in the face in March.

Hope not. IMO Jackson is not a great choice.
 
Mark Jackson is next in line, from a good source. But, we have a coach. We have a coach who brought us a ranked team, and a team who can do some damage. Plenty of ball to play. College teams burn out these days way too early, ask Jay Wright and Coach K. March is hell. I like this regrouping and struggle we are in. We don't want a cake walk and be smacked in the face in March.

Hope not. IMO Jackson is not a great choice.

I agree. But there is nothing wrong with Lavin right now. He is our guy right now. This is a season of opportunity. And with a stellar class brewing in the back lines for next year, it's looking good.
 
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