Next Coach?


No doubt Danny's done well at both Wagner and URI. The question is: How will he do when he's recruiting higher-level talent against the likes of Cal (whose signing of Briscoe dealt a crucial blow to Lavin's goal of building a program here), Pitino, Coach K, etc. -- the talent level he's going to need if St. John's is to be a perennial power in the BE?

Who are the candidates being mentioned that have experience in recruiting higher level talent? Oh, right, no one. Which is why a big name like Mullin or two rebuilding jobs at the relatively highest level of the candidates for Dan Hurley makes them the most attractive candidates. Just seems like small minded thinking to me.
 

No doubt Danny's done well at both Wagner and URI. The question is: How will he do when he's recruiting higher-level talent against the likes of Cal (whose signing of Briscoe dealt a crucial blow to Lavin's goal of building a program here), Pitino, Coach K, etc. -- the talent level he's going to need if St. John's is to be a perennial power in the BE?

Who are the candidates being mentioned that have experience in recruiting higher level talent? Oh, right, no one. Which is why a big name like Mullin or two rebuilding jobs at the relatively highest level of the candidates for Dan Hurley makes them the most attractive candidates. Just seems like small minded thinking to me.

Don't you know we will better of with this move. No confidence this will get done right.
 

No doubt Danny's done well at both Wagner and URI. The question is: How will he do when he's recruiting higher-level talent against the likes of Cal (whose signing of Briscoe dealt a crucial blow to Lavin's goal of building a program here), Pitino, Coach K, etc. -- the talent level he's going to need if St. John's is to be a perennial power in the BE?

Who are the candidates being mentioned that have experience in recruiting higher level talent? Oh, right, no one. Which is why a big name like Mullin or two rebuilding jobs at the relatively highest level of the candidates for Dan Hurley makes them the most attractive candidates. Just seems like small minded thinking to me.

Don't you know we will better of with this move. No confidence this will get done right.

Listen, there's going to be an improvement in Xs and Os, hopefully in stability too. Could be better, could be worse. I'd like them to consider a hire that would make me feel really positive but none of those types of names are coming up.

PS while we're talking coaches sons why isn't Bryce Drew on the list as well. His brother could also teach him a thing or two million about dirty recruiting tactics.
 
I hope SJU knew last week that Mullin would take job and his name is not being thrown out there to appease the Lavin supporters like myself who would support a Mullin hire more than a Hurley etc.
 
pretty funny reading the seton hall board

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I was no longer on the Lavin bandwagon...but I have zero confidence someone better will come along. Already names like Hurley, Massielo and others are being thrown out there. Worst case.
 
I was no longer on the Lavin bandwagon...but I have zero confidence someone better will come along. Already names like Hurley, Massielo and others are being thrown out there. Worst case.

How do you feel about Mullin Krusty?
 
Outside of Masiello's resume issue, can this guy coach? Recruit?
 
Mullin with a strong staff, including guys like Slice, Rasheen Davis or Matt A would be fine. Danny Hurley would be another good choice. For Plan C, I'm fine with Bobby Hurley.

We'll never be in agreement & can pick away at all the names. I plan to see what the guys who pay the bills suggest & go from there.

Go Johnnies!
 
Ron artest?? Lol

@MettaWorldPeace: I would absolutely coach at St.Johns if presented with that opportunity.
Go St.Johns
 
I was no longer on the Lavin bandwagon...but I have zero confidence someone better will come along. Already names like Hurley, Massielo and others are being thrown out there. Worst case.

More than likely St. John's will rue the day Lavin left. Track record pretty much proves this.
 
Ron arrest?? Lol

@MettaWorldPeace: I would absolutely coach at St.Johns if presented with that opportunity.
Go St.Johns

I just saw that on Twitter, sign him up! Haha

I swear, I think I trust RonRon more than a Danny Hurley right now.

Again, can anyone see D Hurl's antics being supported by SJU for five or more years?
 
Ron arrest?? Lol

@MettaWorldPeace: I would absolutely coach at St.Johns if presented with that opportunity.
Go St.Johns

I just saw that on Twitter, sign him up! Haha

I swear, I think I trust RonRon more than a Danny Hurley right now.

Again, can anyone see D Hurl's antics being supported by SJU for five or more years?

I wonder how well Ron could recruit lol. Could he be our kevin Ollie??
 
Ron arrest?? Lol

@MettaWorldPeace: I would absolutely coach at St.Johns if presented with that opportunity.
Go St.Johns

I just saw that on Twitter, sign him up! Haha

I swear, I think I trust RonRon more than a Danny Hurley right now.

Again, can anyone see D Hurl's antics being supported by SJU for five or more years?

I wonder how well Ron could recruit lol. Could he be our kevin Ollie??

Come to SJU or I will beat you up
 

No doubt Danny's done well at both Wagner and URI. The question is: How will he do when he's recruiting higher-level talent against the likes of Cal (whose signing of Briscoe dealt a crucial blow to Lavin's goal of building a program here), Pitino, Coach K, etc. -- the talent level he's going to need if St. John's is to be a perennial power in the BE?

Who are the candidates being mentioned that have experience in recruiting higher level talent? Oh, right, no one. Which is why a big name like Mullin or two rebuilding jobs at the relatively highest level of the candidates for Dan Hurley makes them the most attractive candidates. Just seems like small minded thinking to me.

If I'm "small-minded," austour, it's because I have a head the size of a fist. For the record, all I was doing was questioning whether Danny was up to recruiting at this level. A legitimate question I would think, and one we won't know the answer to until that time comes, when and if it does. Mullin, of course, would certainly be a draw for a lot of kids, at least initially, but, as I've noted in other posts, I don't see him taking the job -- not to be misconstrued as my being against his taking it; I think it would make a huge splash to have Mullin as the face of our program. FWIW, I think I'd prefer Bobby to Danny -- same coaching tree, no great disparity in coaching experience, similar connections to talent-rich NJ programs, greater name recognition; plus I'm not a big fan of Danny's sideline temper tantrums. Whatever. Hopefully, we'll know soon enough.
 

No doubt Danny's done well at both Wagner and URI. The question is: How will he do when he's recruiting higher-level talent against the likes of Cal (whose signing of Briscoe dealt a crucial blow to Lavin's goal of building a program here), Pitino, Coach K, etc. -- the talent level he's going to need if St. John's is to be a perennial power in the BE?

Who are the candidates being mentioned that have experience in recruiting higher level talent? Oh, right, no one. Which is why a big name like Mullin or two rebuilding jobs at the relatively highest level of the candidates for Dan Hurley makes them the most attractive candidates. Just seems like small minded thinking to me.

If I'm "small-minded," austour, it's because I have a head the size of a fist. For the record, all I was doing was questioning whether Danny was up to recruiting at this level. A legitimate question I would think, and one we won't know the answer to until that time comes, when and if it does. Mullin, of course, would certainly be a draw for a lot of kids, at least initially, but, as I've noted in other posts, I don't see him taking the job -- not to be misconstrued as my being against his taking it; I think it would make a huge splash to have Mullin as the face of our program. FWIW, I think I'd prefer Bobby to Danny -- same coaching tree, no great disparity in coaching experience, similar connections to talent-rich NJ programs, greater name recognition; plus I'm not a big fan of Danny's sideline temper tantrums. Whatever. Hopefully, we'll know soon enough.

Perfectly reasonable question. No doubt the Big East is another level of recruiting. But he got E.C. Mathews and Jared Terrell to go to Rhodie, and they have not been in the business of getting those kind of players. If he could get them to go there, who could he get to come to SJU? I guess it's one of those questions that cuts both ways - can he recruit at a higher level, but at the same time will a higher level/more to offer allow him to get even better players?

Should also be noted one of his St. Benedict's teams had 8 Division 1 players + JR Smith. He's familiar with dealing with the highest level kids.

Prefer Danny only slightly to Bobby. But one of the primary reasons is there actually is a fairly substantial disparity in coaching experience. After Seton Hall Danny pretty much jumped right into coaching. A year with his dad followed by 4 years as an assistant at Rutgers, beginning in 1997. These years are particularly important because he cut his teeth spending 250+ days a year on the
road. Then 9 years with St. Benedict's, before 5 as a head coach at the college level. That's 19 years of experience, and he worked his way up the various levels on a fairly normal trajectory.

Bobby kind of parachuted in with Danny at Wagner after mostly being out of the game for 12 years while Danny was on the grind. Again, doesn't mean Bobby won't be a better coach than Danny, but Danny has significantly more and diversified experience.
 
Danny Hurley.

The game threads will be interesting after each tech he gets :)

do you really seeing this program sticking with this hot head for half-a-decade or more?

Marsha, Marsha, Marsha.
Think we should go with Bobby instead of Jan Brady.

Interesting. Would be thrilled with either. But actually prefer Danny because he was the Jan Brady of players in the family; think he's that much more invested in being the Marsha of college coaches in the fam.

It was mostly a joke. I'd also be thrilled with either. I do think Bobby has the higher ceiling. Danny's temper scares me. Bobby is fiery but under control. Danny seems combustible to me.

If you were a recruit and you had back to back visits from Danny and Bobby (assuming equal caliber schools), what pitch would convince you as a player or father/coach? Danny, built largely as a coach, or Bobby, a winner through and through who has done it himself and can show the recruit how he did it personally? I know who I'd choose.

Very fair points.
 

No doubt Danny's done well at both Wagner and URI. The question is: How will he do when he's recruiting higher-level talent against the likes of Cal (whose signing of Briscoe dealt a crucial blow to Lavin's goal of building a program here), Pitino, Coach K, etc. -- the talent level he's going to need if St. John's is to be a perennial power in the BE?

Who are the candidates being mentioned that have experience in recruiting higher level talent? Oh, right, no one. Which is why a big name like Mullin or two rebuilding jobs at the relatively highest level of the candidates for Dan Hurley makes them the most attractive candidates. Just seems like small minded thinking to me.

If I'm "small-minded," austour, it's because I have a head the size of a fist. For the record, all I was doing was questioning whether Danny was up to recruiting at this level. A legitimate question I would think, and one we won't know the answer to until that time comes, when and if it does. Mullin, of course, would certainly be a draw for a lot of kids, at least initially, but, as I've noted in other posts, I don't see him taking the job -- not to be misconstrued as my being against his taking it; I think it would make a huge splash to have Mullin as the face of our program. FWIW, I think I'd prefer Bobby to Danny -- same coaching tree, no great disparity in coaching experience, similar connections to talent-rich NJ programs, greater name recognition; plus I'm not a big fan of Danny's sideline temper tantrums. Whatever. Hopefully, we'll know soon enough.

Perfectly reasonable question. No doubt the Big East is another level of recruiting. But he got E.C. Mathews and Jared Terrell to go to Rhodie, and they have not been in the business of getting those kind of players. If he could get them to go there, who could he get to come to SJU? I guess it's one of those questions that cuts both ways - can he recruit at a higher level, but at the same time will a higher level/more to offer allow him to get even better players?

Should also be noted one of his St. Benedict's teams had 8 Division 1 players + JR Smith. He's familiar with dealing with the highest level kids.

Prefer Danny only slightly to Bobby. But one of the primary reasons is there actually is a fairly substantial disparity in coaching experience. After Seton Hall Danny pretty much jumped right into coaching. A year with his dad followed by 4 years as an assistant at Rutgers, beginning in 1997. These years are particularly important because he cut his teeth spending 250+ days a year on the
road. Then 9 years with St. Benedict's, before 5 as a head coach at the college level. That's 19 years of experience, and he worked his way up the various levels on a fairly normal trajectory.

Bobby kind of parachuted in with Danny at Wagner after mostly being out of the game for 12 years while Danny was on the grind. Again, doesn't mean Bobby won't be a better coach than Danny, but Danny has significantly more and diversified experience.

Excellent -- and civil -- response. Thanks.
 
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