New York Mets 2025 Season

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Diaz is in the same opt-out position as Alonso, but he did not respond when asked.

Not to mention Diaz had a great season. And I think he is just as, if not more valuable, than Alonso.

As we witnessed, it is extremely rare to find relievers who are this good for so long.
I think Pete just didn't want to be coy and did what his contract was designed to do - allow him to opt out if he had a great season. He said what everyone knew 100% what he would do - what he SHOULD do. No surprises, no shock, no bullshit. He was asked and he responded.
 
Diaz is in the same opt-out position as Alonso, but he did not respond when asked.

Not to mention Diaz had a great season. And I think he is just as, if not more valuable, than Alonso.

As we witnessed, it is extremely rare to find relievers who are this good for so long.
WAR can be a funky stat but certainly not end-all be-all, but Alonso's was 3.5 and Baty's was 3.2. It is very hard to understate how awful Alonso was at every aspect of first base, outside of scooping balls. Pete had a great offensive year. But the defense and running the bases was part of the problem this team had.

The defense, in general, was a huge issue. Soto was also horrific, Mullins and Nimmo's noodle arms made it easy to run on us. Vientos was literally unplayable at the end of the year.
 
I think Pete just didn't want to be coy and did what his contract was designed to do - allow him to opt out if he had a great season. He said what everyone knew 100% what he would do - what he SHOULD do. No surprises, no shock, no bullshit. He was asked and he responded.
"After such a disappointing game and year, I don't want to talk about my contract today. Not the right time." That's literally the template of what he could've said.

I'm not anti-Pete or anti-signing Pete back, but we could've missed the playoffs without him.
 
I think Pete just didn't want to be coy and did what his contract was designed to do - allow him to opt out if he had a great season. He said what everyone knew 100% what he would do - what he SHOULD do. No surprises, no shock, no bullshit. He was asked and he responded.
That is his right of course. But I liked the way Diaz handled it better.

Alonso came across selfishly to me. Again, it is just how I looked at it. Unless he was out injured for the year, everyone knew Alonso was opting out. The contract was designed that way.

And yes, players are different. It is a business to them. But they also then need to stop the bullspit when they say they care about the fans.

This season was a gut punch.
 
What makes you think a lot of us don’t understand the ups and downs of any player over the course of the season ?

And no offense but who cares about changing your mind ? None of us agree with you

Last year you were literally complaining the entire regular season and look where our team went.

For the record to be clear in regards to Pete my complaint specifically is yesterday. He had an excellent statistical year

Leaders lead and lead by example. Yesterday post game I don’t want to hear anything about it was his right to opt out

It absolutely is his right and I don’t blame him at all for opting out

But yesterday he put himself over the team announcing opting out when our season literally just ended on the worst way possible

Leaders don’t do that. Whether they are going to be on the team or not they set an example for others by not putting themselves over the team

If he announced it next week I’d have no problem with it
I don’t think I said a word about anyone changing my mind, I said you don’t get to make up my mind. Disagree all you want, no problem.

As for thinking a lot (emphasis on a lot, not ALL) of posters not understanding sports, that is my opinion, like it or not. As to why I think that, I read their posts.

As for the rest of your post, those are your opinions and I will leave it at that. We just disagree.
 
I know this would make people uneasy, but I wouldn't be opposed to our lineup/defense and rotation looking like this by July 1:
SS: Lindor
LF: Soto
C: Alvarez
CF: Cody Bellinger
DH: Vientos
1B: Nimmo
RF: Carson Benge
3B: Baty
2B: Jett Williams

Moving Soto to LF and Nimmo to 1B fixes a few problems at once: Soto has less room to cover in LF & his arm becomes more of a weapon, Nimmo preserves his legs more & his athleticism becomes a srength at 1B while his arm is no longer an issue. Bellinger is a very good athlete still and plays a good CF/great 1B. Fixes our depth in two spots. Benge and Jett are two guys that profile to be plus defenders and hit the ball really well. No reason to clog up those two spots with bad contracts.

I'd trade McNeil for anything. Time to get him out of here. Acuna will be a nice utility guy, a la Guillmore with more versatility & better speed, off the bench.

Rotation:
SP1: McLean
SP2: Manaea -- his injury really derailed his season, I think he'll come back much better
SP3: Cease -- can we get him on a one or two year deal?
SP4: Peterson
SP5: Scott
SP6: Senga

Don't care what Senga says or does this offseason, we can't rely on him. We would still have Sproat and Tong developing more in AAA. If a Skenes is available, you go 90%-in (no McLean).
 
"After such a disappointing game and year, I don't want to talk about my contract today. Not the right time." That's literally the template of what he could've said.

I'm not anti-Pete or anti-signing Pete back, but we could've missed the playoffs without him.
Honestly, the ralph kiner argument is silly. I agree timing not good

He signed a conditional deal. He goes 28hr/95 rbis he prob doesnt opt out. With his #s it was a given and why the mets gave him 3 years w opt outs.

Good man. Best power hitter in Mets history. Hope he is back.
 
The Pete questions are the same:

Is there an upgrade at 1B that could be had via FA?

No.

Is there an internal candidate?

No.

Is there someone available via trade?

Probably not, but who knows at this point?

Is he worth big bucks at his age and with this team's performance?

I still say yes.
 
Only Soto, Lindor and the young pitchers are untouchable. I’d listen on anyone else, and hope and pray Diaz is back.

This season failures is mostly on Stearns. He completely misplayed the trade deadline, and his offseason acquisitions mostly sucked (Montas, Siri etc.). Canning wasn’t bad, and his injury hurt us. He let Quintana and Iglesias walk away when he could have had them for peanuts, and he actually counted on getting something out of Paul Blackburn, one of the worst pitchers in MLB. He started the season with defensive liabilities at both corner infield sports and with a CF (Siri) who couldn’t hit a lick. Then he brought in another CF at the deadline who was even worse. He has the richest owner in sports and he can’t find a DH after two years? He started the season with two fourth outfielders splitting time at DH. I was OK with re-signing Manaea, realizing that he’s going to break after two years - since he remodeled his pitching motion after Chris Sale who’s hurt all the time. Maneae didn’t wait two years, he got hurt almost immediately and was terrible when he came back.

I realize Stearns is supposed to be a genius, but he had an awful year. If he was a player and had a year that bad he would have been DFA’d.
 
If Alonso doesn’t come back, then I want no part of Vientos at 1B. He’d be worst there defensively than Alonso, and we need someone better. Get someone from outside to play 1B - FA or trade. (A genius GM should be able to actually make a trade, right? Not just sign guys off the scrap heap…). Baty won the 3B job, so let him play there full-time. Vientos can DH if he actually hits - which is an open question. He had some awful ABs in big spots down the stretch.
 
I am not arguing that Stearns should be fired. He deserves some time to get this right. Of course this was a major failure. In a league with an expanded playoff format we couldn’t even back in with a bloated payroll and an Owner willing to swallow mistakes. Most GMs would face the firing squad just for giving Frankie Montas $34m of your dollars for absolutely NOTHING. I could point at so many other mistakes including the trade deadline disaster but it’s repetitive at this point.

The Media and others seem to be giving milquetoast Mendoza a free pass. Again this is a Stearns pick and he’s pushed all the wrong buttons. I take no joy in ripping him. I like him. He seems like a good man. However, we need to separate the man and the Manager. This team seemed to take on his persona and that’s a problem. No sense of urgency. Too much Managing to a formula that wasn’t working. I swear they had a meeting everyday and the front office instructed him who would be throwing what innings every night.
 
I know this would make people uneasy, but I wouldn't be opposed to our lineup/defense and rotation looking like this by July 1:
SS: Lindor
LF: Soto
C: Alvarez
CF: Cody Bellinger
DH: Vientos
1B: Nimmo
RF: Carson Benge
3B: Baty
2B: Jett Williams

Moving Soto to LF and Nimmo to 1B fixes a few problems at once: Soto has less room to cover in LF & his arm becomes more of a weapon, Nimmo preserves his legs more & his athleticism becomes a srength at 1B while his arm is no longer an issue. Bellinger is a very good athlete still and plays a good CF/great 1B. Fixes our depth in two spots. Benge and Jett are two guys that profile to be plus defenders and hit the ball really well. No reason to clog up those two spots with bad contracts.

I'd trade McNeil for anything. Time to get him out of here. Acuna will be a nice utility guy, a la Guillmore with more versatility & better speed, off the bench.

Rotation:
SP1: McLean
SP2: Manaea -- his injury really derailed his season, I think he'll come back much better
SP3: Cease -- can we get him on a one or two year deal?
SP4: Peterson
SP5: Scott
SP6: Senga

Don't care what Senga says or does this offseason, we can't rely on him. We would still have Sproat and Tong developing more in AAA. If a Skenes is available, you go 90%-in (no McLean).
I agree with loading up on the pitching. They are so fragile and unpredictable, especially the bullpen.

But I think Sproat makes the rotation and Scott goes to Syracuse to get some competitive innings after missing the season. Tong definitely needs seasoning in Triple A, but should be ready for a late summer call-up

As far as the lineup, Soto probably remains in RF, at least for the next couple of years. I like Benge making the team and playing LF.

Jett should start at 2B and fill in at CF, which is a nice secondary option. Bellinger could be in play, but he may enjoy the Yankees they may make a deal.

I am uncertain if Nimmo can make the transition to 1B. I wonder if Mauricio can play there at least part-time.

Never a McNeil fan, so I have no qualms with him being traded, except if they do not find an adequate CF, then he and Jett may rotate between 2B and CF.
 

"Talk to anyone in the sport these last few weeks about the Mets, and you’d inevitably reach an eye roll and a consensus conclusion.

“Their defense kills them,” one scout summarized late in the season.

Stearns, the president of baseball operations, cited defense as a concern as far back as May. After a brief window of improvement in the summer, it collapsed comprehensively over the final two months of the season.

Every Lindor error led to two unearned runs, it seemed. Alonso struggled with throws to first base, in one case costing the team a game and in another leading to an injury to the starting pitcher. Mark Vientos took a step back at third base, and New York’s outfield let far too many fly balls find grass.

There were the obvious errors — 19 in the final 29 games of the season — that ceded free bases, provided extra runners and prolonged innings. Over the past two months, only one team has allowed more unearned runs than New York’s 28.

Then there were the fringe plays the Mets consistently did not make — plays that don’t go down as errors (at least not anymore) but that a majority of big-leaguers make. This was an area the Mets had emphasized midseason, especially in turning double plays. Down the stretch, there was a play or two every night you could point to as pivotal.

Finally and most frustratingly, there were the mental lapses. The Mets left bases uncoveed. They missed cutoff men. They forgot to back up. These aren’t high-concept principles."
 
Sees a thread titled "New York Mets 2025 Season."

Thinks to himself: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I continue to wonder why anyone would be a Mets or Jets fan. Masochism, maybe? Being a St. John's fan is enough of that for me.
 
Sees a thread titled "New York Mets 2025 Season."

Thinks to himself: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I continue to wonder why anyone would be a Mets or Jets fan. Masochism, maybe? Being a St. John's fan is enough of that for me.
You and Silly should hang out more often. You guys could bond over Met fan’s misery.

Make it an Abbott and Costello thing. You know, like “who’s on first…not the Mets”.
 

"Talk to anyone in the sport these last few weeks about the Mets, and you’d inevitably reach an eye roll and a consensus conclusion.

“Their defense kills them,” one scout summarized late in the season.

Stearns, the president of baseball operations, cited defense as a concern as far back as May. After a brief window of improvement in the summer, it collapsed comprehensively over the final two months of the season.

Every Lindor error led to two unearned runs, it seemed. Alonso struggled with throws to first base, in one case costing the team a game and in another leading to an injury to the starting pitcher. Mark Vientos took a step back at third base, and New York’s outfield let far too many fly balls find grass.

There were the obvious errors — 19 in the final 29 games of the season — that ceded free bases, provided extra runners and prolonged innings. Over the past two months, only one team has allowed more unearned runs than New York’s 28.

Then there were the fringe plays the Mets consistently did not make — plays that don’t go down as errors (at least not anymore) but that a majority of big-leaguers make. This was an area the Mets had emphasized midseason, especially in turning double plays. Down the stretch, there was a play or two every night you could point to as pivotal.

Finally and most frustratingly, there were the mental lapses. The Mets left bases uncoveed. They missed cutoff men. They forgot to back up. These aren’t high-concept principles."
Yes defense was a culprit. Not the primary one.

This is about PITCHING. Funny how McLean won most of his starts with the same defense. We looked so much better on those days.

 
Yes defense was a culprit. Not the primary one.

This is about PITCHING. Funny how McLean won most of his starts with the same defense. We looked so much better on those days.
Yeah, but both feed off of each other. An above average defense can help a below average pitcher. I see it has all part of the same vacuum: run prevention. Bad pitching for 3.5 months and bad defense for the entire season, plus boom & bust hitting cycles, basically leads to being a bad team.
 
Yeah, but both feed off of each other. An above average defense can help a below average pitcher. I see it has all part of the same vacuum: run prevention. Bad pitching for 3.5 months and bad defense for the entire season, plus boom & bust hitting cycles, basically leads to being a bad team.
Please review the Team Fielding Stats. We Ranked 12 according to the Stats.

The team had fewer errors than several playoff teams including the Yankees, Guardians, Reds, Red Sox, Blue Jays. Their pitchers survived just fine.
 
2026 lineup as of today:

1B: ?
2B: McNeill
SS: Lindor
3B: Baty
C: Alvarez
LF: Nimmo
CF: ?
RF: Soto
DH: Vientos

Payroll drops from $341M to $228M.

Is Carson Benge the future CFer? Jett Williams?

What FAs are out there?

Who do you try to unload?

What do you do?
Put Benge in CF next year and trade McNeil to put Jett Williams at 2nd base.
 
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