New York Mets 2025 Season

dk423 said:
What?

Tidwell is struggling in his second year of AAA, at age 24, especially with walks and has steadily regressed as a prospect. Maybe he can be a reliever, but we don't really know that. He's also blocked in the major league rotation with other prospects like Scott, Sproat, Tong and McLean. Santucci is also more promising.

Butto is mediocre. If he had options, he may still be on the team. But we cannot trust him in a big moment, has regressed, and already has to be a one inning reliever. Maybe he can be a back end rotation guy, but maybe not and certainly not for our team. Gilbert has regressed significantly.

Rogers has been an extremely consistent, top shelf reliever for his whole career. Him not walking guys, he has walked less than 1 guy per 9 innings for last year and this year, is huge. I'd be amazed if either of them ever amount to him -- especially since Rogers doesn't rely on velocity.

I think this was a great trade for the Mets. We traded guys with very little upside.
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Giants got 3 controllable players for a 35 year old rental. Tidwell could be a high end reliever when he’s converted. 24 is not old for a college pitcher. Butto is already a very solid 6th/7th inning guy…he was lights out last year and up and down this year but still had a 3.60 era after a 5-run outing. That’s still pretty solid.

Gilbert I didn’t like here with Benge, Jett, and Ewing having higher ceilings and him not part of the plans for 2025. Kind of pointless for us, but a second tier team could certainly use him better.

I feel the Giants made out like bandits here. It does make us a better team this year, though.
 
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Marillac2 said:
Giants got 3 controllable players for a 35 year old rental. Tidwell could be a high end reliever when he’s converted. 24 is not old for a college pitcher. Butto is already a very solid 6th/7th inning guy…he was lights out last year and up and had a 3.60 era after a 5-run outing. That’s still pretty solid.

Gilbert I didn’t like here with Benge, Jett, and Ewing having higher ceilings and him not part of the plans for 2025. Kind of pointless for us, but a second tier team could certainly use him better.

I feel the Giants made out like bandits here. It does make us a better team this year, though.
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Control doesn't matter if you have no options and you're a bit of a fringe reliever. Butto may not have been on this team next year as a DFA casualty. I think a solid 6th/7th inning guy is replaceable/something a healthy organization can find within their system. You don't really ride through their streakiness though, and his value tanks if he becomes a one inning guy like he has.

I think Tidwell is exactly the type of guy you trade for a Rogers if you're a championship contender. If he performs in October, we aren't going to care that SF is about to put Tidwell out there for a 7th inning next April or four Aprils from now.
 
You can look at a stat sheet and see Butto has had good results at times, but he cannot pitch for a team with world series aspirations. He just isn't that caliber of guy. I feel very comfortable saying that.
 
dk423 said:
Control doesn't matter if you have no options and you're a bit of a fringe reliever. Butto may not have been on this team next year as a DFA casualty. I think a solid 6th/7th inning guy is replaceable/something a healthy organization can find within their system. You don't really ride through their streakiness though, and his value tanks if he becomes a one inning guy like he has.

I think Tidwell is exactly the type of guy you trade for a Rogers if you're a championship contender. If he performs in October, we aren't going to care that SF is about to put Tidwell out there for a 7th inning next April or four Aprils from now.
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If you take the Mets cap off for a second, you have to see this as a great haul for SF. Tidwell may end up being nothing but a 6th starter or 6th inning reliever, but he's got a lottery ticket arm. You want to have as many of those arms as possible. It wouldn't surprise me if he was a 40-save closer in 3 years. Tyler Rogers, another college guy, didn't even debut until he was 28. Tidwell debuted at 23 and missed the whole 2020 Covid season.

Nobody is lower on Gilbert than me, but most of that is because I love the trio behind him in the organization. He could be a solid 4th outfielder for a team like the Giants or even a starter if he found himself on a team like the Rockies. It's hard to be excited for a 15 homer right fielder when you see Benge, Jett, and Ewing on his heels.

I do think you are selling Butto short.
 
Marillac2 said:
If you take the Mets cap off for a second, you have to see this as a great haul for SF. Tidwell may end up being nothing but a 6th starter or 6th inning reliever, but he's got a lottery ticket arm. You want to have as many of those arms as possible. It wouldn't surprise me if he was a 40-save closer in 3 years. Tyler Rogers, another college guy, didn't even debut until he was 28. Tidwell debuted at 23 and missed the whole 2020 Covid season.

Nobody is lower on Gilbert than me, but most of that is because I love the trio behind him in the organization. He could be a solid 4th outfielder for a team like the Giants or even a starter if he found himself on a team like the Rockies. It's hard to be excited for a 15 homer right fielder when you see Benge, Jett, and Ewing on his heels.

I do think you are selling Butto short.
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If I was a SF fan, I'd look at the Kittredge trade as a comparison. Cubs traded a 17 y/o prospect who got a 2.2 million bonus and hitting w/e small level he's in. A lotto ticket for sure, but an interesting one. It's a question of preference -- do you want a high end lotto ticket, or a bunch of scratch offs?

If SF sees Butto as a SP and plans on stretching him out, I think this can end up being a good trade for them since that's nice value for a backend guy for a few years. I'm not really sold on Tidwell being much. We agree on Gilbert.

From a Mets perspective, I really don't think they gave up much and it's a very clear win. For SF, maybe it works out for them, but maybe they would've been better off waiting to see how the market goes up.
 
logen said:
Coming from a position of weakness because I don’t much follow baseball outside of the Mets but it would seem to me they seriously upgraded the bullpen with veteran, proven arms.
But I don’t get Robert at all but just going on stats. He has steadily declined every year since 2021, has a horrible walk to strikeout ratio and blindly analyzing his stats it appears he is an occasional power hitter who goes up to the plate looking to do just that. I could certainly be wrong.
As for defense, I just don’t see how he would be a significant upgrade over Taylor who is an outstanding fielder with a strong arm.
Just my very uninformed two cents on both fronts; I will be the first to insist you need to see players over a period of time to have a valid opinion.
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I don’t love Robert’s either although Taylor is really being bad offensively and maybe a change of scenery helps Robert’s. Defensively they are both excellent. It comes down to what we have to give up to me. I would be cautious and I think Stearns will be also. Wouldn’t be surprised if we add one more player and it isn’t Robert’s.
 
dk423 said:
If I was a SF fan, I'd look at the Kittredge trade as a comparison. Cubs traded a 17 y/o prospect who got a 2.2 million bonus and hitting w/e small level he's in. A lotto ticket for sure, but an interesting one. It's a question of preference -- do you want a high end lotto ticket, or a bunch of scratch offs?

If SF sees Butto as a SP and plans on stretching him out, I think this can end up being a good trade for them since that's nice value for a backend guy for a few years. I'm not really sold on Tidwell being much. We agree on Gilbert.

From a Mets perspective, I really don't think they gave up much and it's a very clear win. For SF, maybe it works out for them, but maybe they would've been better off waiting to see how the market goes up.
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We have the ability to overcome losing all of these prospects for sure.

The main thing is how much stronger our bullpen is from just two weeks ago. We are deep as hell now and somehow have two effective lefties.
 
Marillac2 said:
We have the ability to overcome losing all of these prospects for sure.

The main thing is how much stronger our bullpen is from just two weeks ago. We are deep as hell now and somehow have two effective lefties.
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Similar to STJ/Pitino, its amazing how different things are with the Mets/Stearns already.
 
dk423 said:
Similar to STJ/Pitino, its amazing how different things are with the Mets/Stearns already.
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Absolutely. The Mets still have high end depth to make another deal (or two). While the drafting is much better, I think the player development has improved significantly.

The coaching and instruction in the organization from the majors all the way down to the DSL has never this good at developing players this consistently since the early 1980’s.
 
I have had my issues with David Stearns. But he is using the farm system exactly how a contending team should. The Organization has clearly identified the talent they WILL or WON’T move. We have traded some prospects who do have value. You must give to get. However, the guys they like are still for the most part are still here. That’s what you want your GM and team to do. The Mets are in good hands.
 
Mullins is a massive offensive upgrade to Taylor. And, again, we didn't give up much. Gave up three prospects. Gomez throws 104mph but isnt doing well in Brooklyn -- an intriguing lottery ticket. Nunez has pitched well and a reliever. Marsh was a UDFA two years ago -- massive success to be able to leverage him for something.
 
dk423 said:
Mullins is a massive offensive upgrade to Taylor. And, again, we didn't give up much. Gave up three prospects. Gomez throws 104mph but isnt doing well in Brooklyn -- an intriguing lottery ticket. Nunez has pitched well and a reliever. Marsh was a UDFA two years ago -- massive success to be able to leverage him for something.
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No no it’s a haul! Three warm bodies…🤣

Not a crazy move. He hits more than Taylor which isn’t hard. Maybe he bounces back in a pennant race.
 
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