New ACC and MSG Rumor

It doesn't take a brilliant businessman to know that a large bulk of schools that filled up MSG for the Big East tournament have left the conference. And a conference (the ACC) with some of those fan bases, plus millions extra from football money and a better (or soon to be better) TV deal can likely outbid the new Big East.
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You think the new Big East schools will struggle to sell at max 2k tickets per school? When we expand to 12 that number drops even further.

And would you rather have a partner who comes to town every other year or three years or someone every year. Personally I take the guarantee.
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It's not JUST about selling the full allotment of tickets. The ACC will have higher demand which means they will be able to charge more per package, which means pulling in more revenue.

As for the second point it definitely has merit, but I think (and obviously they're going for the ACC) that they will arrange a every-other-year deal with the Big East. The biggest obstacle for the ACC/Big East deal comes from convincing the Tobacco Road and true south schools to come to NYC. But at the end of the day I don't think it'll be a big deal for schools like Duke and UNC because they have a substantial fan base up here as it is. But from MSG's standpoint they would benefit much more financially from ACC than they would from new Big East.
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How much more can they charge? Charge more just to appease grads of Duke, UNC or Cuse. I'm sure Va Tech and NCSU fans will love that. Charge more for schools that are hours from this location as well when how many fans will have to shell out more to come to NYC to watch? Remember first dibs goes to schools donors and season ticket holders.

I am not getting all upset about these rumors because they are nothing but rumors. And they are coming from un-named sources. When I start hearing MSG officials publicly putting their names to quotes then I would get concerned.
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It does not matter according to Theo. The ACC will be getting higher TV ratings 5 years from now! Theo knows this because CBS struck a brilliant deal with TBS to alternate the Final Four. That is great for the millions with cable TV and sucks for the millions who do not. When it comes to TV, brilliant and CBS are not synonymous.
He also says with authority that "they will be getting higher TV ratings than our conference tournament" as if HIS conference were the Big East. Last time I checked Hofstra was not in the Big East. LOL!
Here is my prediction---Barclay will find a way out of the A10 contract by 2017 and NYC will have the greatest college basketball week in America!
I would pay mucho for scalped tix to go watch Syracuse or Duke lose in the first round!!
 
It doesn't take a brilliant businessman to know that a large bulk of schools that filled up MSG for the Big East tournament have left the conference. And a conference (the ACC) with some of those fan bases, plus millions extra from football money and a better (or soon to be better) TV deal can likely outbid the new Big East.
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the big east always sells out not going to change
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It sells out but it doesn't always "sell out" and for many sessions it doesn't even come close to truly filling up. There will be higher demand for ACC tickets, which means the conference will be able to charge more to each school for these packages. In addition, they will be getting higher TV ratings than our conference tournament, which means more advertising $$ for their on court and side court ad spots which get seen on TV. Not to mention, their tournament will be on a network with a much better distribution (ESPN) than ours (Fox 1), at least initially.
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And the ACC session that has Virginia Tech-Wake Forest & Virginia-Clemson on Tuesday afternoon at MSG will fill the place?
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You're isolating one session but I'm talking about consumer demand of tickets for the tournament as a whole. Looking at the fan bases and markets in this area, there is no way you can doubt that the ACC schools and their fans will draw a higher demand for tickets than the Big East schools. With that demand will bring higher prices for the ACC to sell their ticket packages off to the schools. This leads to more money for the conference (in addition to their football money, which will also greatly help them in their bidding for MSG). And once again the point that many are ignoring is the fact that the ACC has it's tournament on the more prestigious television network (ESPN) with higher distribution than the Big East's (Fox Sports 1). If on-court ad revenue is split between conference and MSG then there will obviously be more eyeballs on ESPN than there would be on FS1. This is a big deal. There is a ton of money to be made on the center court/baseline logo sponsorships, and the sideline scorer table signage. ESPN would have higher viewership and MSG/the ACC would be able to ask for more money for that signage because of it.

Obviously if the ACC signed on with the Barclays Center it would be a MASSIVE win for us and that's what I'm hoping happens. However my prediction is that we lose MSG in some fashion (hopefully not every year) and we move our conference tournament (at least part time) to the Barclays Center. Obviously breaking tradition would hurt us as thats what our league is still hanging it's hat on, but a part-time move to Barclays wouldn't be the worst thing in the world, ultimately.

And 72, do you think that the Big East tournament will draw a higher Nielsen rating than the ACC tournament next year??
 
Our best negotiating ploy is to tell MSG that if we don't get to play there every year then we will never play there and go on a rotating basis like other conferences do. I'm confident that the southern ACC schools would never let the tourney go to NY full time and MSG would no doubt take our yearly offer. MSG would think twice before losing a perennial tenant. I think moving the tourney from MSG, even for one year, for the ACC shows weakness as a conference and would make us look like a minor league conference.
 
72, why can't you make your point without trying to portray Theo as something he's not? It's obvious that he is a St. John's fan, and it's obvious you have some kind of agenda against him.
 
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The Atlantic Coast Conference holding its men’s basketball tournament in Madison Square Garden?

Really?

Not in this cycle. Not for the four or five-year commitment the ACC has used in its deals in Greensboro, Charlotte and Atlanta.

Probably not at all.

The ACC spring meetings are being held this week in Amelia Island, Fla. One of the news tidbits that has floated to the surface of meetings which generally produce little or no public pronouncements from the ACC, was that New York and the Garden were receiving serious consideration.

Again. Really?

First of all, the Garden is committed to the New Big East through the year 2026, although there are escape clauses for the Garden if attendance drops during the Big East tournament.

But that is not the real issue. Oh, with a northern tier group of schools which will now include Pittsburgh, Syracuse and Boston College, there is a faction of the ACC that would want to bring the ACC tournament to New York City and Madison Square Garden. But that would be tolerated for a year or maybe two years at most.

Beyond that, there is no way the ACC will agree to a multi-year commitment away from its Tobacco Road base. And I just can’t see anyway the Garden would agree to only a one year deal. And if that happens, what does the Big East do? Go to Greensboro for a two-year southern holiday?

That might work in the Barclay’s Center in Brooklyn, which currently hosts the Atlantic 10. But there is no real comparison between the Garden and the Barclay Center in terms of history or tradition or the sense of being in New York City.

And the ACC also might be surprised by the lack of enthusiasm that fans from Pittsburgh and Syracuse will display next spring in showing up in Greensboro, N.C. for the ACC tournament.

One of the attractions that the Big East had in playing in the Garden was that it was a destination point for fans who could come to New York City and see and do lots of things in addition to watching their basketball teams play.

Such is not the case in Greensboro, which is not a destination point.

The feeling here is that despite the wide range of geographical points in the new look of conferences, the ACC will not come north (at least to New York City) for its annual version of March Madness.
 
Cant wait till Pitino, Boheim and coach K retire.
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You guys are assuming those schools won't hire someone good to replace them. Louisville did come up with the cash to get Pitino, why would they not do so again to hire an established top notch guy. While there were missteps after Crum left (and he probably stayed a little too long) it's not like they didn't have a pedigree before Pitino.

Syracuse still has an arena that can hold over 30,000 and Hopkins has been JB's number one guy for years. So at least at first Kids will still be interested just like you still have blue chippers interested in UConn even after Calhoun left.

One of K's right hand men might be his replacement, but if it doesn't work out right away, i would think Duke would not hesitate to go out and get someone for their marque program.
 
72, why can't you make your point without trying to portray Theo as something he's not? It's obvious that he is a St. John's fan, and it's obvious you have some kind of agenda against him.
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Theo is not a St. John's grad. He has no vested interest if SJ is successful or not. He is a SJ fan in a sense that he is a college basketball fan. Beyond that, because 3 significant Big East schools have moved to the ACC, he basically has written off the Big East and assumes Fox will be insignificant FIVE years from now!
If you did not have your nose up his tucas you would notice he never tries to answer questions about the likely changes in ACC coaches 5 years hence, the possibility of what upsets in the ACC tourney would do to attendance and "eyeballs" on TV screens.
Theo is regularly absent here during the basketball season. He could give a crap about what you or I think about SJ.
 
72...you're caught in the trap of hating the message, so trash the messenger.

the acc has too many schools with high academic standards to compete in football with the four big boy conferences. the big ten gets a pass because it has the football tradition the acc can only dream about. so it's going about it in a different way. it's taking potentially good football schools from the big east. right now, no one in the acc or big east can be mentioned in the same breath as teams in the big four, save notre dame which had an outstanding season for a change. they don't want the bcs tournament to be a big four event with them looking in from the outside.

they have the same mindset when it comes to basketball. they were tired of looking up to the big east as the number one conference, so it has been doing all it can to minimize it. the acc has already taken seven big east teams. now they want to prevent the new big east from being more than the atlantic 10 it is today. it's not a conspiracy theory. it's happening right now. they're aggressive and the big east is virtually comatose.

you're hanging your hat on fox? they once owned the dodgers. not anymore. they owned tv guide. no more. if they want to bail on the big east, they probably can. i haven't seen the contract and i presume you haven't either.

this will play out any way the acc wants it to. to put on blinders and pretend someone who posts reality checks really isn't a true fan only helps the acc. what the new big east conference needs is a real leader who can play hardball against the predator. one who can think outside the box, sadly, i don't see it happening.
 
72, why can't you make your point without trying to portray Theo as something he's not? It's obvious that he is a St. John's fan, and it's obvious you have some kind of agenda against him.
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Theo is not a St. John's grad. He has no vested interest if SJ is successful or not. He is a SJ fan in a sense that he is a college basketball fan. Beyond that, because 3 significant Big East schools have moved to the ACC, he basically has written off the Big East and assumes Fox will be insignificant FIVE years from now!
If you did not have your nose up his tucas you would notice he never tries to answer questions about the likely changes in ACC coaches 5 years hence, the possibility of what upsets in the ACC tourney would do to attendance and "eyeballs" on TV screens.
Theo is regularly absent here during the basketball season. He could give a crap about what you or I think about SJ.
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Wow, for someone that doesn't doesn't think much of my opinion you sure know a lot about my social media life and my comings-and-goings on here, huh?? :/. Anyway, I don't post about team related things on here anymore for a reason. As for me not being a St. John's fan, you NAILED IT. That is why I'll be going to spend both days this weekend going to watch some of our recruits play lol.

Fox Sports 1 is an up-and-coming network and I do think it'll be successful. It has worthwhile properties that people will tune in to watch (including the Big East). HOWEVER, it will take a while for them to catch up to the clout that ESPN and it's family of networks holds. Despite all of the criticism of ESPN that exists (and a bulk of it absolutely has merit), it is still far-and-away the premiere sports network on the planet.

As for the coaches of Louisville, Cuse and Duke retiring: if they make a bad hire they can take a step down, but they already have a well-ingrained fan base that is set to last a while there. Louisville is also a program that's been a pretty good school traditionally before Pitino got there and they're housed in the nuttiest college basketball state in America. Louisville and Cuse also have two of the top practice facilities in the country and administrations that have poured resources and have committed themselves to a winning basketball program. Is it possible that any of these programs make a bad hire after their respective coaches retire?? Of course. But most likely they will do what their recent history indicates, which is pour money into a really good hire.

You bring up possible "upsets" in the ACC tournament and what that would do to attendance, but how about what "upsets" in the Big East tournament would do to attendance?? You can play your what-if games forever but it still doesn't change the fact that the ACC tournament would draw more bodies and demand to MSG and more eyeballs to their tournament on television.

As newsman said, I hope the Big East hires someone that will fight for our remaining years on our contract and we stay at MSG for as long as possible and we DON'T take some half-assed buyout from the Garden. I also hope that our Big East commissioner, IF the Garden does find a way out of our contract, has us set up at Barclays for whatever year(s) we don't have MSG.
 
72...you're caught in the trap of hating the message, so trash the messenger.

the acc has too many schools with high academic standards to compete in football with the four big boy conferences. the big ten gets a pass because it has the football tradition the acc can only dream about. so it's going about it in a different way. it's taking potentially good football schools from the big east. right now, no one in the acc or big east can be mentioned in the same breath as teams in the big four, save notre dame which had an outstanding season for a change. they don't want the bcs tournament to be a big four event with them looking in from the outside.

they have the same mindset when it comes to basketball. they were tired of looking up to the big east as the number one conference, so it has been doing all it can to minimize it. the acc has already taken seven big east teams. now they want to prevent the new big east from being more than the atlantic 10 it is today. it's not a conspiracy theory. it's happening right now. they're aggressive and the big east is virtually comatose.

you're hanging your hat on fox? they once owned the dodgers. not anymore. they owned tv guide. no more. if they want to bail on the big east, they probably can. i haven't seen the contract and i presume you haven't either.

this will play out any way the acc wants it to. to put on blinders and pretend someone who posts reality checks really isn't a true fan only helps the acc. what the new big east conference needs is a real leader who can play hardball against the predator. one who can think outside the box, sadly, i don't see it happening.
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I do not have blinders on as most will attest here. I have been a vocal critic more than most.
That you or Theo can speak about a conference or teams FIVE years down the road with such authority is what pisses me off!
If you missed it, I hate the effen ACC! I try not to say such great and all knowing things about their future like you and Theo. That only helps the ACC my friend! Your crystal balls are bent south and you see no future, no hope, no competition for the new Big East. THAT is what helps the ACC.
You are right, and I agree, about the soft leadership. The new Big East should have banned all regular season games with the ACC. SJ playing Cuse only helps Cuse. Play the SEC bigs, the PAC bigs. Screw the ACC!
ESPN and their bedmates.....now those are predators! They even prey on themselves as they will not back down on the Syracuse scandals.
ACC and football? I agree again! But how many basketball players have the academics to complete in the classroom at Virginia, GaTech, UNC, Duke? Not many. The ACC has in effect dumbed down their conference just to overtake the Big East in basketball. LOL!
You and Theo see a great attraction at MSG with schools like UNC, Lville, Duke and Cuse but avoid mentioning the mediocre schools like VaTech, GaTech, Clemson, Wake, BC, etc, that would not thrill the eyeballs.
You mention the A 10. How many teams went to the NCAA this year? How many from the ACC?
Time will tell if your dire predictions come true.
Shoot me for shooting the messenger who fabricates a message as fact. Fact is 5 years from now some of us will not be around to debate this stupidity. That is the only certainty.
 
72, why can't you make your point without trying to portray Theo as something he's not? It's obvious that he is a St. John's fan, and it's obvious you have some kind of agenda against him.
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Theo is not a St. John's grad. He has no vested interest if SJ is successful or not. He is a SJ fan in a sense that he is a college basketball fan. Beyond that, because 3 significant Big East schools have moved to the ACC, he basically has written off the Big East and assumes Fox will be insignificant FIVE years from now!
If you did not have your nose up his tucas you would notice he never tries to answer questions about the likely changes in ACC coaches 5 years hence, the possibility of what upsets in the ACC tourney would do to attendance and "eyeballs" on TV screens.
Theo is regularly absent here during the basketball season. He could give a crap about what you or I think about SJ.
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Are you saying that you can't be a St. John's fan if you didn't attend school there?

That's a joke.
 
@McMurphyESPN: John Swofford said ACC has interest in MSG & Barclays for future ACC tourneys. "We'll have to wait & see on that"
 
This is exactly why SJU should not have scheduled Syracuse at all. Should have let them rot instead. The less they get to play in the CIty, the better for us. That will ultimately hurt recruiting. Not now, but once Boeheim leaves. I know they have their successor ready to take over, but there will still be a transition period. That and City kids not getting automatic games at MSG, will hurt Syracuse with City recruiting a bit, imo.

But why would this school do anything that benefits this school?

I can't wait for the purge when Fr. Harrington leaves. I would love to see an AD hired at SJU that actually is, you know, competant.
 
Memo to ACC

“Dead is a strong word” – Big Ten Commissioner Jim Delany, responding to a question on whether the idea of the conference expanding was dead (DETROIT NEWS, 5/16).
 
This is exactly why SJU should not have scheduled Syracuse at all. Should have let them rot instead. The less they get to play in the CIty, the better for us. That will ultimately hurt recruiting. Not now, but once Boeheim leaves. I know they have their successor ready to take over, but there will still be a transition period. That and City kids not getting automatic games at MSG, will hurt Syracuse with City recruiting a bit, imo.
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I never cared about the idea of playing Syracuse once they left the Big East. If we played them, then let it be in a preseason or postseason tournament. I would've never placed them on the schedule. There were plenty of other good programs or teams we could've placed on our schedule besides them.
 
This is exactly why SJU should not have scheduled Syracuse at all. Should have let them rot instead. The less they get to play in the CIty, the better for us. That will ultimately hurt recruiting. Not now, but once Boeheim leaves. I know they have their successor ready to take over, but there will still be a transition period. That and City kids not getting automatic games at MSG, will hurt Syracuse with City recruiting a bit, imo.
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I never cared about the idea of playing Syracuse once they left the Big East. If we played them, then let it be in a preseason or postseason tournament. I would've never placed them on the schedule. There were plenty of other good programs or teams we could've placed on our schedule besides them.
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I will be holding my breath over the next University president hire, as will the overwhelming majority on this board. SJU is in a unique situation where it can be a major player in the direction of the new Big East. All the University needs is a forward thinking AD who is not afraid to take charge and make decisions that benefit the University. Th enext person must be everything our current AD is not.
 
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