If Lavins plans comes to fruition and we can be a perinial top 25 program, plus Providence is an improving program, coupled w increased exposure for the incoming schools. The BE tourny has potential to be a great draw. That said, lately the ACC has been a thorn in our butts, and are proactive.
New ACC and MSG Rumor
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Rabinowitz --- explain this:
"The deadline to bid for the 2016-21 ACC tournaments was in September, and New York's Madison Square Garden and the Barclays Center in Brooklyn did not submit a bid."
Why didn't MSG "drop everything" and bid???
This "source" said an exec was trying to "sell" corporate seats. Would you think it sounds better when he says MSG will have both the ACC and Big East tourney? Maybe........but all the tickets are allocated to the schools FIRST. Where is the sell?
The likes of Boeheim, coach K and Pitino may not even be coaching in 2017 and beyond. THEY ARE their programs.
You, Mr. Rabinowitz, can predict the strenght and draw of the top 4 ACC schools (Duke, UNC, Syracuse and Louisville) 5 years in advance?
Finally, the Big East will go to 12 schools next season and can only draw more fans. The Big East will not share the Garden. MSG either takes it all or settles for ad hoc games from the ACC and whatever they can attract during the regular season. Does that sound like good business just so the ACC can satisfy its penis envy of the Big East for one year, 2 years?
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BTW, Rabinowitz,
When you say "Syracuse, Duke and UNC would all outdraw the top attending Big East school (which would likely be Georgetown and not SJU, at least how it stands now). " is that from the viewpoint of a St. John's fan or as a latent Syracuse fan?
As it stands "now", as a SJ fan I have to say that the top draw will be St. John's as the local school. We can sell 8,000 tickets alone and if Nova, Gtown, Marquette, SH, Providence, Butler, Creighton etc. can sell the other 10,000, other than the ACC and you, who would be complaining?
The ACC will commit to 5 years to MSG over the dead bodies of 20,000 Carolinians.
TRabinowitz
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Find me a recent precedent which would make you believe we'd sell 8,000 tickets for our conference tournament games. And as you know, that's not how it works anyway. The tickets get split up among bases and you would find a much better NYC-market of alums to buy their share for schools like Miami and Boston College than you would for Creighton and Butler.
I strongly disagree with those schools you cite! Once again, Miami has one of the worst fan bases in college basketball. They averaged less than 4,000 fans a game AT HOME. The alumni base for Miami is heavily centered in south florida and those in NY could care less about anything UM that is not football related. Even UM football doesn't draw all that well (less than Rutgers and nearly half of UF) and they don't travel at all. Creighton travels very well and, again, they averaged more fans in 2012 than BC, Miami, and Ga Tech COMBINED + and extra 3,000 fans a game on top of that (and they increased their attendance this year by over a thousand from 2012).
Other than that, I agree and I'm sorry to sick 72 on you
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Find me a precedent for any of the BS you have been spewing here! You come off sounding like a schmuck when your examples are Miami and BC! Boston is a big city and college town......Conte Forum has become an ACC ghost town. No one in Boston gives a crap about BC and NYC all of a sudden becomes BC country?
Tickets are split up by the member schools. You assume SJ, Gtown, Nova, Marquette, etc. would not allocate their tickets? I am going to assume St. John's will advance regularly and only doubters like you who scavenge for free tickets may not buy into the tourney.
Butler, Xavier and Creighton are and have been more successful than both Miami and BC......let alone Wake, Gtech, Clemson.
Alums? Did you take a Rabinowitz poll? So Miami cannot sell their own home games with 50,000 students and alums in Miami but they become a big draw in NYC?
You been drinking too much Kadeem boy!
And...answer my questions....why did not MSG bid for the ACC 2016+ tourney???? Could it be MSG would only be interested in a 5 year contract and those southern bitches cannot live with it?
TRabinowitz
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MSG is currently hung up in a contract with the Big East. Let's revisit the bidding argument when/if they find their way out of it. And ONCE AGAIN a market/attendance at their home arena and within the Missouri Valley is MUCH MUCH different than a market within NYC and the east coast. And 72 you continue to use the "St. John's will buy up 8,000 tickets (about 40% of availability" argument for the Big East at MSG. Well if that's the case, how much of available stock would Syracuse/Duke/UNC fans buy up?! All three far FAR outdraw anything or anyone the Big East currently has. And with the increased demand from these larger fan bases comes the opportunity to charge more per ticket for the ACC tournament. If you would stand outside the Garden or monitor StubHub during MSG Syracuse, Duke or UNC games, you would realize this would be very much true.
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It is truly sad when a so-called fan becomes a born-again ACC sellout!
Do you even read your own crap?
Here is an example: "And ONCE AGAIN a market/attendance at their home arena and within the Missouri Valley is MUCH MUCH different than a market within NYC and the east coast".
With that twisted logic you also came to the conclusion that Miami and BC, who cannot sellout their own arenas will be MUCH more successful in NYC! Crazy S**t kid!
Avaialble stock?? LMAO! What, you have a stake in the secondary ticket market? Are your aspirations to be a scalper?
I am going out on a limb here and assume the 10 schools will buy the 18,000 tickets between students and alums.
Revisit the bidding? Hung up with a Big East contract? MSG did not bid.....Barclays did not bid.....Prudential did not bid.
So, the ACC really, really, really wants MSG and will not award an ACC tourney for years 2016-21 until MSG gets out of its contract with the Big East....which happens to run through 2026? That is possible but Gtown, PC, SJ, Nova and Seton Hall are all in driving distance and you seem all hung up on Syracuse and Duke.
I tell you what.....let's revisit your assumptions in 2015 when Boeheim is retired, when Rick Pitino and Mike Scewinsky are in their golden years.
Things change and there is no honor left in college sports. Your love affair with the ACC shows how little faith you and Newsie have in both St. John's and the new Big East....which most resembles the original Big East before the football scum infected the league.
Yea, the ACC took the three best BE teams but Karma is a bitch. I, for one, have given the ACC and the traitor schools the mal' occhio.
Sorry to have lost you as a St. John's and Big East fan.
TRabinowitz
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Good to see which one of us has turned to the corny nicknames, personal insults and baseless judgements because they can't make an argument. I remain a major major St. John's fan, with my most hated team being Syracuse (of the ACC). Next time you want to delve into insults and nicknames, do a bit better than "shrewshinsky", "traitors", "scum", and "aspirations to be a scalper."
why the hostility, 72? someone makes a valid point and you start screaming like you need to be put in a straitjacket.
the acc has been on a mission to improve itself at the expense of the big east. our commissioners sat around and did nothing except to hope "fans" like you buy into any crap they put on the floor. the result is the acc has turned the big east into the atlantic 10, which isn't a bad conference...just not in the league of the "big boys".
if swofford wants, the big east will play its tournament at the nassau coliseum. we have no one in charge who can do anything about it. people like you who show no outrage aren't helping.
the acc has been on a mission to improve itself at the expense of the big east. our commissioners sat around and did nothing except to hope "fans" like you buy into any crap they put on the floor. the result is the acc has turned the big east into the atlantic 10, which isn't a bad conference...just not in the league of the "big boys".
if swofford wants, the big east will play its tournament at the nassau coliseum. we have no one in charge who can do anything about it. people like you who show no outrage aren't helping.
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Honestly, both tournaments would sell out. Rabinowitz is to young to realize that when St. John's is good, they do sell 8,000 tickets.
I've been to most of the Big East Tournaments and when they're winning they would sell 8,000 tickets.
I've been to most of the Big East Tournaments and when they're winning they would sell 8,000 tickets.
TRabinowitz
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Technically it would "sell out" in the sense that all the schools would buy up their full allotment of allocated tickets but the building on many of the sessions would have empty seats IMO. If the ACC were in there I would also venture to say that there would be less empty seats (and they would get a superior TV contract for their conference tournament with more eyeballs which means more ad revenue for themselves).
I think people see the name Creighton and they just assume mediocrity. The reality is that Creighton was #5 in the COUNTRY in attendance at almost 18,000 fans per game. Think about that figure....that is a rocking house...more than almost every single NBA team averages. They travel exceptionally well. They have been in the top ten in attendance for decades.
It's also worth noting that the MVC has very solid attendance figures...a statistical deadlock with the Pac-12 (tied for 7th) . The conference averages over 7,000 fans per game and the ACC averages only 9,000 fans per game (5th overall). The ACC will get a big-time boost with Syracuse and Louisville (both top 5 nationally in attendance), but that will be somewhat balanced by losing Maryland and adding Pitt's very mediocore attendance figure (46th nationally).
At the end of the day, the average attendance figures for the new ACC and the New Big East will be nearly identical. The real difference is how absurd the top four will be in the new ACC. That will take a hit, I suspect, when Pitino leaves Louisville and they come back down to Earth.
It's also worth noting that the MVC has very solid attendance figures...a statistical deadlock with the Pac-12 (tied for 7th) . The conference averages over 7,000 fans per game and the ACC averages only 9,000 fans per game (5th overall). The ACC will get a big-time boost with Syracuse and Louisville (both top 5 nationally in attendance), but that will be somewhat balanced by losing Maryland and adding Pitt's very mediocore attendance figure (46th nationally).
At the end of the day, the average attendance figures for the new ACC and the New Big East will be nearly identical. The real difference is how absurd the top four will be in the new ACC. That will take a hit, I suspect, when Pitino leaves Louisville and they come back down to Earth.
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I get it now! So the Big East tourney would be a sellout...just like all the other sellouts....and would have empty seats....just like all the previous Big East tourney games at MSG......when the Big East was the top BB conference and the BE tourney was only valid because Syracuse has a large alum base in the NY area. I get it now! It is really all about Syracuse!! Well skippy, Syracuse and the secondary Orange market are history. Get over it.
Those fans not attending games when their team is not playing are spending money in bars and shopping. Not good for the overpriced beer at MSG but good for NYC.
As for your amusement that the ACC would have Syracuse, Louisville, Duke and UNC, well that was the mission. The ONLY reason the ACC would seek MSG is to placate Syracuse. It has never shown any interest north of the Mason Dixon line until the latest Big East rape. That MSG did not bid because they are "HUNG UP" in a legal lease with the Big East is part conspiracy theory and part insult to the Big East (and St. John's). You and Newsie are doing your best at both.
Can you explain why Barclay and Prudential did not bid? HUNG UP with contracts?
I guess college sports has become......How do we get out of a contract!
Sorry for the rants and insults but when you start to sound like an ACC tucas leker you deserve it!
i think you should let it get soft before you start typing again.
you misunderstand. no one here has any respect for acc greed... personally, i'd love to see the real four college football conferences freeze them out of any bcs tournaments. none of those teams other than notre dame (after one outstanding year following many failures) can be mentioned in the same breath as members of the real conferences.
my gripe is the acc is still relentlessly attacking the big east. instead of what's left of the big east getting proactive, it's relying on people like you to remain in denial.
you misunderstand. no one here has any respect for acc greed... personally, i'd love to see the real four college football conferences freeze them out of any bcs tournaments. none of those teams other than notre dame (after one outstanding year following many failures) can be mentioned in the same breath as members of the real conferences.
my gripe is the acc is still relentlessly attacking the big east. instead of what's left of the big east getting proactive, it's relying on people like you to remain in denial.
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WHAT Big East is the ACC "still relentlessly attacking"? Part of the cunnilingus with Chancy Nancy when they proposed to those pedos in Syracuse was they would seek MSG for "some" future ACC tourney......NOT ALL future ACC tourneys !!
The folks in Tallahassee, Atlanta, Raleigh, etc. were less than pleased with such a prospect.
The Garden does not want to lose the next 13 years of a guaranteed lease for the Big East tourney just so Syracuse can become an ACC champion. They could care less. The other ACC schools do however and the Duke, UNC. Wake, NCSt ACC Tourney ticket buyers still have influence as to where their presidents vote for the tourney. Pitt and Louisville wanted it in their cities. Boston it seems will never get it. I wonder how they feel with "Syracuse" getting all the love and attention? Scandal U has been getting over on the public perception of a clean program and there are serious doubters now, even among alums. Let us see if a 70 something Boeheim has the stomach for any more scrutiny by 2017. My money is he is one more scandal headline away from calling it quits before then.
I agree with you as far as the new Big East getting proactive. Some here seem content with 10 teams and the round robin BS. Fox wants 12 teams and a bigger market and that is what they will get. Unlike the ACC with real college presidents, our Big East schools have a bunch of priests running the show and other than at Marquette and Georgetown, they do a lousy job. That is where the Fox leadership comes to play.
Bottom line is schools like St. John's, Providence and Seton Hall have to step it up a few notches to stay in the game and hopefully we all will.
Right now I am more concerned as to who will be the next SJ president than where the ACC will be playing in 2017.
"Sources said MSG can get out of its deal before 2026 if the new Big East doesn't reach certain benchmarks. " I wonder what those benchmarks are? but i doubt that with the teams in the big east they will have trouble filling the arena, or getting high tv ratings.
http://espn.go.com/new-york/mens-co...-tournament-madison-square-garden-sources-say
http://espn.go.com/new-york/mens-co...-tournament-madison-square-garden-sources-say
