New ACC and MSG Rumor
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TRabinowitz
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Even though there may not be a "ticket revenue" difference between the tourney set up of sell-outs between conferences, there IS a difference between one of these "sell outs" and actually getting more people through the turnstiles. When more seats are filled, that means more concession, souvenir and ad revenue money that can be generated (because of more eyeballs). In addition to people in the stands, there can be more money charged for on-court advertisements which are shown on TV (and the ACC will undoubtedly get more TV eyeballs than the new Big East will). Also, if there is more demand for the tickets themselves, the ACC/venue can charge more to the schools per ticket than the Big East could.
Class of 72
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Hey Waka Hofstra, what if a Syracuse, Duke or UNC do not make the final 4 at MSG? Do you picture all those eyeballs?
I picture a deer in headlights! What if the ACC finals are VaTech, Clemson, Wake and GaTech?
I guess I see it from the POV of a St. John's fan and not a Hofstra fan. I see St. John's being able to get to the final 4 in the Big East every year and that means it would be good for MSG, NYC and St. John's. Then again, SJ could end up sucking like Hofstra by 2016 and.........wait......we are not Hofstra! LMAO!
Moon Mullen
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MSG is all about concessions, that's we're they make money. The booze will flow with the new league, just like it did with the old Big East.
Higher TV ratings doesn't put anymore money into MSG's coffers. You may argue more prestige, but that doesn't add to MSG's bottom line either,
and the Garden certainly doesn't need them for prestige.
Higher TV ratings doesn't put anymore money into MSG's coffers. You may argue more prestige, but that doesn't add to MSG's bottom line either,
and the Garden certainly doesn't need them for prestige.
but is that how MSG makes their $ or they simply charge rent? If the latter ticket prices dont matter to MSG
if anything I think it would be cache that woud attract MSG
But lets remember when the BE started it was not the best conference. it developed into it over the years due to markets and ultimately on court NCAA success. May take time but BE will narrow the difference over time. May not overtake them but we will always have the better markets
TRabinowitz
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Conferences bid for the Garden. Because of the fact that ACC has football money, potential for more eyeballs inside and out of arena and bigger TV deal, they can offer more to MSG than the Big East can.
As for Class of 72, I graduated from Hofstra but I root for St. John's. Yes Hofstra has stunk. I shouldn't even justify your comments, because you're looking for something to argue about other than the topic at hand because you are being proven wrong. I am a die-hard STJ fan, go to a ton of home games and go and see a ton of our recruits' games. But I'm also a realist that knows that the ACC has a bigger market and football dollars that we don't. I am going to cherish having MSG as our conference tournament while we have it but I am completely convinced that there will come a time in the not too distant future where it won't be ours year after year. When it's not ours, I hope we have the Barclays Center as our backup plan.
TRabinowitz
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And what if the Big East final 4 are Creighton/Butler/DePaul/Xavier??
Class of 72
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There are no insults above, unless you are a Hofstra fan like Theo. Maybe you could point them out for us!
The insult is to our collective intelligence by young Theo because he thinks he knows the business model he is (IN CAPS) explaining to us novices.
Eyeballs? Maybe you can join Theo and predict the "eyeballs" for a Florida State-GaTech final. What if Duke and Syracuse are not in the final four at MSG?
Theo proposes the "current" ACC scenario while not envisioning an ACC without a Boeheim or coach K by 2017. All the HoF coaches in the ACC are over 60 NOW. If I were the ACC I would be worried who replaces those 4 coaches 5 or 6 years from now.
He speaks matter of factly like we are idiots. I pull his chain because he sees all this through his neutral business model and I see it as a fan. Big difference.
Finally, MSG makes its $$ off of the Knicks and Rangers fans that sell out the Garden and not a dozen college games when the pros are out of town.
The ACC has to decide where to play its tourney for 2016 and beyond. The Big East does not have that problem.
It will be at MSG while the ACC begs the Garden for admittance.
Sorry for Theo for thinking we in NYC will be better as a sports town if St. John's no longer fits into the MSG equation or the Big East. It kind of pisses me off just a little.
I am trying to be positive about the Big East and St. John's in this scenario.
Then again, if I wrote what Waka wrote, some of you would be all over me for being negative.
TRabinowitz
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It doesn't take a brilliant businessman to know that a large bulk of schools that filled up MSG for the Big East tournament have left the conference. And a conference (the ACC) with some of those fan bases, plus millions extra from football money and a better (or soon to be better) TV deal can likely outbid the new Big East.
TRabinowitz
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It sells out but it doesn't always "sell out" and for many sessions it doesn't even come close to truly filling up. There will be higher demand for ACC tickets, which means the conference will be able to charge more to each school for these packages. In addition, they will be getting higher TV ratings than our conference tournament, which means more advertising $$ for their on court and side court ad spots which get seen on TV. Not to mention, their tournament will be on a network with a much better distribution (ESPN) than ours (Fox 1), at least initially.
Moose
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You think the new Big East schools will struggle to sell at max 2k tickets per school? When we expand to 12 that number drops even further.
And would you rather have a partner who comes to town every other year or three years or someone every year. Personally I take the guarantee.
TRabinowitz
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It's not JUST about selling the full allotment of tickets. The ACC will have higher demand which means they will be able to charge more per package, which means pulling in more revenue.
As for the second point it definitely has merit, but I think (and obviously they're going for the ACC) that they will arrange a every-other-year deal with the Big East. The biggest obstacle for the ACC/Big East deal comes from convincing the Tobacco Road and true south schools to come to NYC. But at the end of the day I don't think it'll be a big deal for schools like Duke and UNC because they have a substantial fan base up here as it is. But from MSG's standpoint they would benefit much more financially from ACC than they would from new Big East.
Class of 72
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Well at least we know where you stand for the future of the Big East....even with the additions of Xavier, Creighton and Butler.....all big time college basketball schools.
Maybe a budding business man like you can explain who bids...the ACC or the Garden. The ACC puts out RFP's for arenas who WANT to host. MSG, Barclay and Prudential did not bid.
Yes, the ACC is desperate to "make good" with their Syracuse promise and is bending over for coach K but as you will learn college basketball is very fluid and changes in just one or two recruiting classes. You assume that 5 years down the road (at the earliest) the ACC of today with Boeheim, coach K, Pitino will be the same but neither you nor I know what the landscape will be like.
You follow a lot of St. John's and Big East fans on Twitter. Will you post what you posted here or would that diminish your following if you were viewed as pro ACC?
I hope we add a Virginia school ASAP and either Dayton or St. Louis so this new Big East can grow to what can be the best BB conference on the east coast.
How many years will the ACC want to commit to NYC? Ten of the member schools are in the SOUTH.
Hey, maybe you will get a Syracuse - BC final at Barclays in a couple of years! LOL!
"Besides Madison Square Garden, the ACC also has had discussions with the Barclays Center about holding its tournament in Brooklyn, a source said."
STJ11Redmen
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And the ACC session that has Virginia Tech-Wake Forest & Virginia-Clemson on Tuesday afternoon at MSG will fill the place?
Moose
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How much more can they charge? Charge more just to appease grads of Duke, UNC or Cuse. I'm sure Va Tech and NCSU fans will love that. Charge more for schools that are hours from this location as well when how many fans will have to shell out more to come to NYC to watch? Remember first dibs goes to schools donors and season ticket holders.
I am not getting all upset about these rumors because they are nothing but rumors. And they are coming from un-named sources. When I start hearing MSG officials publicly putting their names to quotes then I would get concerned.