Spocky Ramone
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Aka stately Krzyzewski Manor...
NCAA Tournament Thread
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Spocky Ramone
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Any doubt who would play his sidekick "Vermin"?
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http://www.dukechronicle.com/articl...ault-allegations-prior-dismissal#.VSUOC_nF98E
For others to draw their own conclusions. He is still a student because Duke is still smarting from condemning member of the lacrosse team "scandal" based on a false allegation. Your closing paragraph just means that Duke tried to cover their backsides then and now.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ext-most-loved-and-hated-duke-star?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=cnn-sports-bin
If you want to draw your own conclusions, also read this:
http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-ba...llegations-ncaa-basketball-acc-sexual-assault
Kevin White is really putting himself on the line if Duke didn't report this back in March of 2014. So it's safe to assume they did. 1) As I said, perhaps OSA/OSC failed or 2) perhaps they conducted their investigation last March and the girls refused to cooperate or make the allegations to OSA/OSC, in which case, how can you do anything to Sulaimon - innocent until proven guilty in this country, AND no evidence, AND no willing accuser...come on now...what should Duke have done? If it was the former, this will be an ongoing story. If it's the latter, you'll never hear about it again. And you haven't in the month plus while Duke is all over the news for basketball sicne the story came out. Not a single news source has produced anything worthy of an original story - everyone quoted the chronicle. And I'm sure many tried.
Now what if in January (1.5 months before the story came out), Sulaimon who is a notoriously bad teammate and obviously has this negative cloud surrounding him, mentioned the incidents to someone who reported them to Coach K, or broke team rules and went out to a strip club in NYC after the St. John's game, or whatever. Perhaps at some point Coach K decides that there is too much circumstantial evidence or one of the girls doesnt want to officially report something but informed someone in the athletic department directly about the accusation or whatever, and Coach K decides that he's heard enough. May not be enough to kick him out of school, or even close, but Coach K determines its time for him to pack his bags. Wouldn't this look GOOD on Coach K vs. some coaches who'd keep him until an investigation proved Sulaimon was at fault?
People just love to hate on Coach K without really deeply analyzing the situation. Trust me, it wouldn't shock me if Duke the school somehow mishandled these girls' complaints - they have proven they are horrible at this stuff - but it would shock me if Coach K, a West Point graduate, father of girls, and grandfather would completely ignore hard facts against an alleged rapist on his team. That is NOT Coach K.
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I like to float it out there to see who gets a laugh out of it!
And I would be shocked, SHOCKED, if father, husband, wife, and Ivy League graduate Joe Paterno would completely ignore...
OH.
None of us knows how Coach K is anymore than Paterno. The way people defend him, deify him, and praise him, the more dangerous it can all become.
Sorry, but Coach K's get-out-of-jail-free-card by the media is bordering on disgusting. He's a great coach, but he's also a foul-mouthed asshole who is probably not as clean as people pretend it to be.
I also think the evidence is clear...he's a jerk in how he teaches the game. Laetner's foot on chest, D'Lo style flops all over the championship game, improper scholly offers, the favoritism of the refs, etc.
And if you believe like in Paterno's situation, he is unaware of all elements of the program, not sure I can buy that. Think Duke players don't drive the same kind of cars that Cuse players do? Corey Magette and his booster payments...not connected to Duke coaches, but this stuff happens with his players from time to time as well. This stuff is out there, but you NEVER, ever, hear it in the mainstream. Not once has a commentator taken him to task for how he talks to players. Not one journalist hounded him about the rape story. He gets to say, "I ain't talking," and everyone is like, "uhm, okay Coach, whatever you say."
Sorry TheKid, but being a daddy and grandaddy and a successful basketball coach in a system rigged to rip off young athletes doesn't make Coach K special. And West Point grad? So what? How does that make you a stellar humanoid? Just look at their graduates...imperialists, robber barons, etc.
He kept us on the schedule when our teams sucked. It helped our profile more than anything it did for Duke. They can play anyone they want to play at MSG. I used to dislike him before our down years when he treated this our program well by what he said and how he coached in blow-outs.
Also, the guy had nothing handed to him and earned all of it on his own.
And always always have to respect what graduates of West Point give and gave to us.
Just my opinion.
Also, the guy had nothing handed to him and earned all of it on his own.
And always always have to respect what graduates of West Point give and gave to us.
Just my opinion.
I respect Coach k. Hate duke with a passion but respect Coach K and always will.
Whoa whoa this is throwing a lot of off topic issues and making some pretty big jumps.
1. No one is discussing the cleanliness of dukes recruiting. I also highly doubt any coach in the country qiestions how his star player is now driving an escalade. Whether it's through agents or intermediaries or boosters this stuff happens everywhere. I don't believe any can comment on any coaches involvement or lack thereof in any of this so not even sure where you are going with this.
2. Using paterno example is absurd. Joe Paterno who was confronted with one of his staff members actually seeing shady stuff going down on team facilities and property is an absolute travesty. Just because joe pa failed those kids does not mean that anyone else in the country would have. Perhaps I am naive but I believe most coaches confronted with the joe paterno exact scenario would have handled it much much differently. To even suggest that has any bearing on what coach k might do is absurd.
3. Anyone who has read the chronicle knows that the sulaimon allegations came out on retreats with Duke students. So coach k being aware of this in March means he was aware of allegations made by girls privately who did not - at least at that time - come forward. The AD stated any knowledge the basketball staff or athletic department had was reported to office of student affairs. Period.
If this exact situation happens to one of our guys do you want Coach Mullkn to throw him off the team immediately if he denies it and the girls don't come forward and there is no evidence? I don't think so. No idea what happened here but i would want St. John's to do their due diligence but not kick a kid off if there is nothing mor than just described.
Reading between the lines of the chronicle article it sounds like at least one of the girls continued to talk about the incident and expressed to someone that the stature of the Duke basketball team made her hesitant to report it. Once that info got to a staffer he reported it. Within days sulaimon is off the team.
You don't have to wear Duke blue colored glasses to imagine how a girl who initially was hesitant to report or talk decided nearly a year later that she felt differently. Not would it take a big leap to see how Duke basketball could make someone hesitant to report even through no fault of the Duke basketball team or school - the Winston story has been all over the papers for ever. That alone could make someone scared or hesitant in a similar situation.
If there is one shred of evidence or reporting that coach k, the baketball team or the athletic department in any way participated in 1) preventing or suggesting office of student affairs shouldn't pursue the claim properly or 2) participated in any way in suggesting the girl should not report, I will be the most angry person here. But until then I will give K and White the benefit of the doubt that they followed protocol to the tee. The chronicle article did not suggest they didn't either. That's assumptions made by the fact that coach k knew about the "allegations" 9 months before he was thrown off. Notice they never make a statement that coach k didn't follow protocol or didn't report or ignored it. That's assumptions made by nearly everyone who read it.
Give Coach K all the benefit of the doubt you want. I think he's an ass, and I think he believes his own press clippings at this point. But I ain't calling him a criminal or anything. 
My point is more about the idea that you can't believe a person who is a West Point grad and daddy/grandaddy would ever do something bad. Sorry, but THIS is what scares me. This is similar to JoePa/Cosby in many ways...long established heroification even when there is cause for consideration. You mentioned it yourself that a young woman "...the stature of the Duke basketball team made her hesitant to report it" This is a mentality that takes hold of campuses where coaches are deified.
my post was very much off topic, the "big jumps" were intended. It is more about culture and ideals. It has nothing to do with me trying to be Perry Mason.
peace Kid.
My point is more about the idea that you can't believe a person who is a West Point grad and daddy/grandaddy would ever do something bad. Sorry, but THIS is what scares me. This is similar to JoePa/Cosby in many ways...long established heroification even when there is cause for consideration. You mentioned it yourself that a young woman "...the stature of the Duke basketball team made her hesitant to report it" This is a mentality that takes hold of campuses where coaches are deified.
my post was very much off topic, the "big jumps" were intended. It is more about culture and ideals. It has nothing to do with me trying to be Perry Mason.
peace Kid.
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You doth protest too much. I have a feeling you were one of the guys who paid $900 for each of my Duke SJU tix this year. If so, thank you!
Don't think that saying works when the protestor has absolutely nothing to do with the actions being discussed - unless you think I am a Duke staff member!
I was at the game and wore my St. John's hat and Duke t-shirt both with pride. Put a gun to my head (or even raise a little swiss army knife) and the shirt would come off and hat would stay on. If I was a Duke fan first I would spend my time on DBR or blueplanet or something...not 2 st johns message boards.
Give Coach K all the benefit of the doubt you want. I think he's an ass, and I think he believes his own press clippings at this point. But I ain't calling him a criminal or anything.
My point is more about the idea that you can't believe a person who is a West Point grad and daddy/grandaddy would ever do something bad. Sorry, but THIS is what scares me. This is similar to JoePa/Cosby in many ways...long established heroification even when there is cause for consideration. You mentioned it yourself that a young woman "...the stature of the Duke basketball team made her hesitant to report it" This is a mentality that takes hold of campuses where coaches are deified.
my post was very much off topic, the "big jumps" were intended. It is more about culture and ideals. It has nothing to do with me trying to be Perry Mason.
peace Kid.
And how do you think Coach Mullin will be treated at St. John's? He doesnt even need to win, he's already deified, and with good reason! Does that scare you as well?
Few people loathe Shrenshrewski more than I do. But this is not a fair comparison. Paterno did something heinous. Screwskenski doesn't do anything that every other college basketball coach doesn't so. What's infuriating is that not only are his transgressions ignored but that he's lauded as an exemplar of what coaches should be. Whereas anyone who knows anything knows that he's as dirty as everyone else.
Were you aware he attended West Point? He is, therefore, almost certainly not "dirty".
Perhaps this has changed your opinion?
http://redmen.com/forum/4-redmentalk/44040-the-slice-hypocrisy?start=18#174898