NCAA Tournament Thread

[fun]

The fouls were definitely in Duke's favor, but it wasnt as totally lopsided as suggested.

DEwk shot 16 FTs in the second half, as opposed to 3 for Wisconsin.

In the FF DoOk attempted 57 free throws. Their opponents attempted 26. In the FF Duke outscored its opponents 43-16 at the FT line.

How many more points would they have to be awarded for it to be totally lopsided?

 

[thakid]

The fouls were definitely in Duke's favor, but it wasnt as totally lopsided as suggested.

DEwk shot 16 FTs in the second half, as opposed to 3 for Wisconsin.

In the FF DoOk attempted 57 free throws. Their opponents attempted 26. In the FF Duke outscored its opponents 43-16 at the FT line.

How many more points would they have to be awarded for it to be totally lopsided?

That is definitely a great disparity, but Duke also drives and plays in the post a lot (at least lately) and Wisconsin plays more on the perimeter. So some disparity would be expected given their styles of play of late.

 

[88grad]

just f.y.i. - 2 of the 3 referees in last night's championship were Big East refs....

 

[bamafan]

Watch a great game and all SOME people can do is bitch about the refs, and I was rooting for Wisky. I never bitch about the refs (learned that one from Louie) and I believe it certainly helps one enjoy the game more. Just accept that there will be bad calls (it is a difficult game to officiate), it is part of the game and is out of everyone's control. Just don't know how you can enjoy a game if you come away from it focused on and complaining about bad officiating. What good does it do?

 

[fun]

Watch a great game and all SOME people can do is bitch about the refs, and I was rooting for Wisky. I never bitch about the refs (learned that one from Louie) and I believe it certainly helps one enjoy the game more. Just accept that there will be bad calls (it is a difficult game to officiate), it is part of the game and is out of everyone's control. Just don't know how you can enjoy a game if you come away from it focused on and complaining about bad officiating. What good does it do?

Read a lively exchange of opinions on a basketball forum and all SOME people can do is bitch about people bitching. I never bitch about people bitching and I find it helps me enjoy posting more. Just accept that there will be some posts about things you don't find interesting, it's part of life and will make yours more enjoyable. Just don't know how you can enjoy the internet if you come away from it focused on and complaining about the things you read on it. What good does your bitching about people bitching do?

 

[we are sju]

Watch a great game and all SOME people can do is bitch about the refs, and I was rooting for Wisky. I never bitch about the refs (learned that one from Louie) and I believe it certainly helps one enjoy the game more. Just accept that there will be bad calls (it is a difficult game to officiate), it is part of the game and is out of everyone's control. Just don't know how you can enjoy a game if you come away from it focused on and complaining about bad officiating. What good does it do?

I absolutely remember Louie going crazy about bad calls.
Actually Lavin complained the least about the refs of any SJU coach I can recall

 

[bamafan]

Watch a great game and all SOME people can do is bitch about the refs, and I was rooting for Wisky. I never bitch about the refs (learned that one from Louie) and I believe it certainly helps one enjoy the game more. Just accept that there will be bad calls (it is a difficult game to officiate), it is part of the game and is out of everyone's control. Just don't know how you can enjoy a game if you come away from it focused on and complaining about bad officiating. What good does it do?

Read a lively exchange of opinions on a basketball forum and all SOME people can do is bitch about people bitching. I never bitch about people bitching and I find it helps me enjoy posting more. Just accept that there will be some posts about things you don't find interesting, it's part of life and will make yours more enjoyable. Just don't know how you can enjoy the internet if you come away from it focused on and complaining about the things you read on it. What good does your bitching about people bitching do?

Thank you Fun may I have another. Actually wasn't bitching, was actually tryin to help my SJU brethren enjoy the game a little more but if you took it as bitching I must agree and take a mea culpa. All I can do now is apologize and hope to be forgiven.

 

[fun]

Watch a great game and all SOME people can do is bitch about the refs, and I was rooting for Wisky. I never bitch about the refs (learned that one from Louie) and I believe it certainly helps one enjoy the game more. Just accept that there will be bad calls (it is a difficult game to officiate), it is part of the game and is out of everyone's control. Just don't know how you can enjoy a game if you come away from it focused on and complaining about bad officiating. What good does it do?

I absolutely remember Louie going crazy about bad calls.
Actually Lavin complained the least about the refs of any SJU coach I can recall

That's because he didn't care who won the games.

 

[bamafan]

Watch a great game and all SOME people can do is bitch about the refs, and I was rooting for Wisky. I never bitch about the refs (learned that one from Louie) and I believe it certainly helps one enjoy the game more. Just accept that there will be bad calls (it is a difficult game to officiate), it is part of the game and is out of everyone's control. Just don't know how you can enjoy a game if you come away from it focused on and complaining about bad officiating. What good does it do?

I absolutely remember Louie going crazy about bad calls.
Actually Lavin complained the least about the refs of any SJU coach I can recall

Of course he did during the game, every coach does. I'm referring to after the game and focusing on bad referring.

 

[paultzman]

@SiriusXMCollege: NCAA Head of Officials John Adams also admitted to @TimBrando that the refs had a "rocky finish" in the last 5 minutes of the title game.

 

[austour]

If fouls called are irrelevant, why did you cite the number of fouls called on duke guards? Seems like you are now contradicting yourself.

Seems like you are taking a statement from one post and conflating it with another to create a giant straw man, which, like all straw men, lacks a brain.

The number of fouls called on DoOk big men is irrelevant to the number of fouls not called on DooK's guards.

I notice that you use the plural. There weren't "fouls called on deWk guards." There was a foul called. One. On three players. In 116 cumulate minutes. That is something of an anomaly, which raises the eyebrow. It would raise yours if you weren't so biased.

Which is the problem with DooK fans. You're not happy enough to have won, you need to explain why you deserved to. Rather than complaining about Bo Ryan being a sore loser perhaps you should try being a good winner.

I'm on a St. John's board debating the officiating "bias" and effect on the game - one played by Duke and Wisconsin. You are looking too deeply into this. If I was a typical "DooK" fan wouldn't I be on some Duke message board verbally/typewriting masturbating all day long? I enjoy discussing basketball period. The fouls were definitely in Duke's favor, but it wasnt as totally lopsided as suggested, and I do think Wisconsin should have won anyway if they had played smart and their Coach hadn't been feeling sorry for himself that one and dones were beating him and the refs were against him, bla bla. Should have called timeout(s) and stopped the momentum.

To clarify, aren't you a Duke grad on a St Johns board debating officiating "bias"?

 

[Pouchie29]

this says it all

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[bamafan]

this says it all

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If the standard is like football-indisputable visual evidence to over turn call on the field than can see staying with the call as that reply was oh so close.

 

[jumbo_peanuts]

There was definitely some 'questionable' calls late in the game, but I have no problem with the calls that the refs ultimately made.

The ball out of bounds at the end of the game that may have been tipped by Duke. The refs did exactly what their job dictates they should do. They made a call, and then went to the monitor to review. Just like the NFL, the rule states that unless there is indisputable evidence to overturn a call, the original call on the field must be upheld. I don't think that anyone can say with 100% certainty that a Duke player hit that ball. And let's not forget that when that happened, it was also a 5pt game, so it's not like it was a 1pt game in the last possession of the game. Duke also went down and hit a 3....it they miss the shot, does that call even matter as much? Ultimately, Duke made a play, and Wisconsin couldn't get a stop.

Every other call was basically a judgement call. If you have ever reffed before, you understand how fast these plays happen, especially in the college and professional game. We as fans sit at home and have the capabilities of watching a replay 30 times. The refs don't have that luxury most of the time. The fact that they get as many right as they do in real time is truly amazing.

One other thing that I think is worth looking at is that Duke had already beaten Wisconsin once this year, 80-70. So it's not like this was an impossible game for Duke to win, and they were severely overmatched in this game. In the first game, Wisconsin shot and made more free throws, out rebounded Duke on the offensive end 10-3, made two more 3pointers than Duke, had less turnovers than Duke, and had one less personal fouls than Duke did. Yet, Duke still won the game by 10.

Maybe, just maybe, it's time to admit that Duke just had the better basketball team.

 

[thakid]

If fouls called are irrelevant, why did you cite the number of fouls called on duke guards? Seems like you are now contradicting yourself.

Seems like you are taking a statement from one post and conflating it with another to create a giant straw man, which, like all straw men, lacks a brain.

The number of fouls called on DoOk big men is irrelevant to the number of fouls not called on DooK's guards.

I notice that you use the plural. There weren't "fouls called on deWk guards." There was a foul called. One. On three players. In 116 cumulate minutes. That is something of an anomaly, which raises the eyebrow. It would raise yours if you weren't so biased.

Which is the problem with DooK fans. You're not happy enough to have won, you need to explain why you deserved to. Rather than complaining about Bo Ryan being a sore loser perhaps you should try being a good winner.

I'm on a St. John's board debating the officiating "bias" and effect on the game - one played by Duke and Wisconsin. You are looking too deeply into this. If I was a typical "DooK" fan wouldn't I be on some Duke message board verbally/typewriting masturbating all day long? I enjoy discussing basketball period. The fouls were definitely in Duke's favor, but it wasnt as totally lopsided as suggested, and I do think Wisconsin should have won anyway if they had played smart and their Coach hadn't been feeling sorry for himself that one and dones were beating him and the refs were against him, bla bla. Should have called timeout(s) and stopped the momentum.

To clarify, aren't you a Duke grad on a St Johns board debating officiating "bias"?

A duke and st. john's grad on a St. John's board debating officiating bias, yes. And Fun knows that.

 

[austour]

If fouls called are irrelevant, why did you cite the number of fouls called on duke guards? Seems like you are now contradicting yourself.

Seems like you are taking a statement from one post and conflating it with another to create a giant straw man, which, like all straw men, lacks a brain.

The number of fouls called on DoOk big men is irrelevant to the number of fouls not called on DooK's guards.

I notice that you use the plural. There weren't "fouls called on deWk guards." There was a foul called. One. On three players. In 116 cumulate minutes. That is something of an anomaly, which raises the eyebrow. It would raise yours if you weren't so biased.

Which is the problem with DooK fans. You're not happy enough to have won, you need to explain why you deserved to. Rather than complaining about Bo Ryan being a sore loser perhaps you should try being a good winner.

I'm on a St. John's board debating the officiating "bias" and effect on the game - one played by Duke and Wisconsin. You are looking too deeply into this. If I was a typical "DooK" fan wouldn't I be on some Duke message board verbally/typewriting masturbating all day long? I enjoy discussing basketball period. The fouls were definitely in Duke's favor, but it wasnt as totally lopsided as suggested, and I do think Wisconsin should have won anyway if they had played smart and their Coach hadn't been feeling sorry for himself that one and dones were beating him and the refs were against him, bla bla. Should have called timeout(s) and stopped the momentum.

To clarify, aren't you a Duke grad on a St Johns board debating officiating "bias"?

A duke and st. john's grad on a St. John's board debating officiating bias, yes. And Fun knows that.

I know Fun knows that, just wasn't sure some of the newer members did.

 

[beast of the east]

Calling someone ratface isn't funny or clever and our new coach, and one of the most esteemed members of the SJU community, Chris Mullin, and our beloved former coach, Looie C, think the World of Coach K.

So I'll put up with the nonsense.

I am in pretty good company with my point of view.

I've had positive comments to say about him before and got bashed, so I'll take it from whence it comes.

You certainly will get no argument from me for holding Coach K in high esteem. However, I don't ever remember Mullin screaming profanities at an opponent, or Looie doing the same to GT, RM, JB or any coaching peers, but in the UNC Duke documentary, Coach K. was clearly screaming at the esteemed Dean Smith, "F - U Dean, F U. Heat of the moment, Yes. Appropriate, no. Boeheim is also in the all-time whiners club, and as it turns out, cheaters club also. Coach K knew of and downplayed Sulaimon's sexual assault until the university couldn't let it drag out till the end of the season. You think that's above board?

 

[thakid]

If fouls called are irrelevant, why did you cite the number of fouls called on duke guards? Seems like you are now contradicting yourself.

Seems like you are taking a statement from one post and conflating it with another to create a giant straw man, which, like all straw men, lacks a brain.

The number of fouls called on DoOk big men is irrelevant to the number of fouls not called on DooK's guards.

I notice that you use the plural. There weren't "fouls called on deWk guards." There was a foul called. One. On three players. In 116 cumulate minutes. That is something of an anomaly, which raises the eyebrow. It would raise yours if you weren't so biased.

Which is the problem with DooK fans. You're not happy enough to have won, you need to explain why you deserved to. Rather than complaining about Bo Ryan being a sore loser perhaps you should try being a good winner.

I'm on a St. John's board debating the officiating "bias" and effect on the game - one played by Duke and Wisconsin. You are looking too deeply into this. If I was a typical "DooK" fan wouldn't I be on some Duke message board verbally/typewriting masturbating all day long? I enjoy discussing basketball period. The fouls were definitely in Duke's favor, but it wasnt as totally lopsided as suggested, and I do think Wisconsin should have won anyway if they had played smart and their Coach hadn't been feeling sorry for himself that one and dones were beating him and the refs were against him, bla bla. Should have called timeout(s) and stopped the momentum.

To clarify, aren't you a Duke grad on a St Johns board debating officiating "bias"?

A duke and st. john's grad on a St. John's board debating officiating bias, yes. And Fun knows that.

I know Fun knows that, just wasn't sure some of the newer members did.

Now that my credibility has been completely destroyed on this topic, I will move on ha ha.

 

[thakid]

Calling someone ratface isn't funny or clever and our new coach, and one of the most esteemed members of the SJU community, Chris Mullin, and our beloved former coach, Looie C, think the World of Coach K.

So I'll put up with the nonsense.

I am in pretty good company with my point of view.

I've had positive comments to say about him before and got bashed, so I'll take it from whence it comes.

You certainly will get no argument from me for holding Coach K in high esteem. However, I don't ever remember Mullin screaming profanities at an opponent, or Looie doing the same to GT, RM, JB or any coaching peers, but in the UNC Duke documentary, Coach K. was clearly screaming at the esteemed Dean Smith, "F - U Dean, F U. Heat of the moment, Yes. Appropriate, no. Boeheim is also in the all-time whiners club, and as it turns out, cheaters club also. Coach K knew of and downplayed Sulaimon's sexual assault until the university couldn't let it drag out till the end of the season. You think that's above board?

You are insinuating certain things about the Sulaimon incident without many facts.

Coach K and the athletic department have asserted that they immediately informed the necessary parties (Office of Student Affairs/Student Conduct) re: the allegations last March. As you would HOPE, at Duke the athletic department and coach do not play an investigatory role on such a sensitive issue.

It is possible that Office of Student Affairs did not handle it properly, but considering there has been nothing in the month since the article came out, one has to wonder that perhaps the individuals who made the allegations privately either (i) do not and never wanted to pursue action, or (ii) perhaps the story is not as cut and dried as it seems.

Sulaimon was NOT a good teammate, and my guess is in January additional facts came out that Coach K had not been aware of previously. The Chronicle article did not appear until a month or so after Coach K threw him off the team, so it's not like Coach K did it under pressure of an imminent article coming out that would make it look bad he was still on the team.

He is also still a student at Duke University...which should say something as to whether this issue is as cut and dried as you make it seem with respect to Coach K doing or not doing the "right" thing.

 

[JackofVirginia]

just f.y.i. - 2 of the 3 referees in last night's championship were Big East refs....

I don't know about you but I couldn't believe Pat Driscoll was one of the refs for the Final Four.