More Jordan Problems?

[boo haarvey]

I'm all for cutting bait.

New staff should start with a clean slate. We're not going to be a tournament team next season. What good does having Jordan for a half of a season (at best) do for us in the long term?

I wish him the best of luck, but SJU is probably better off without him.

What does cutting bait mean exactly? Are you suggesting that Mullin should kick him off the team and revoke his scholarship? If that's the penalty you're advocating for poor grades, then it shouldn't matter whether or not Mussini is coming, right? Shouldn't the penalty for poor grades be uniform and consistent irrespective of how valuable the player is?

With respect to Mussini, I've heard mixed reviews. The recent reports I've been hearing from folks on this Board is that he will initially be a role player at best and with hard work may turn out to be decent. If that's true, I'd rather take my chances with the talented but mercurial Jordan for a semester and recruit a top guard next year. Of course, if Lovett's eligibility is still in question maybe that changes.

In any event, is it even certain that Mussini will come if Jordan doesn't? Can't imagine kicking Jordan off the team only to find out that Mussini isn't coming.

 

[monte]

Even if he busts his butt in summer and fall semester to get eligible, I guarantee some of us will complain that him returning second semester will disrupt our new-found team chemistry with LoVett and Mussini. :lol:

I don't think Mussini comes if Jordan remains.

Why would this be the case? We can go with a 3-guard lineup--Mussini, Jordan, LoVett--once Jordan becomes eligible. Mussini will have the added benefit of establishing himself as the starter during the first semester when Jordan is ineligible.

With or without Jordan, can't see us having 2 freshman guards starting

 

[paultzman]

Even if he busts his butt in summer and fall semester to get eligible, I guarantee some of us will complain that him returning second semester will disrupt our new-found team chemistry with LoVett and Mussini. :lol:

I don't think Mussini comes if Jordan remains.

Why would this be the case? We can go with a 3-guard lineup--Mussini, Jordan, LoVett--once Jordan becomes eligible. Mussini will have the added benefit of establishing himself as the starter during the first semester when Jordan is ineligible.

With or without Jordan, can't see us having 2 freshman guards starting

No doubt about that

 

[Marillac]

Even if he busts his butt in summer and fall semester to get eligible, I guarantee some of us will complain that him returning second semester will disrupt our new-found team chemistry with LoVett and Mussini. :lol:

I don't think Mussini comes if Jordan remains.

Why would this be the case? We can go with a 3-guard lineup--Mussini, Jordan, LoVett--once Jordan becomes eligible. Mussini will have the added benefit of establishing himself as the starter during the first semester when Jordan is ineligible.

With or without Jordan, can't see us having 2 freshman guards starting

I think P Simmons is seriously overlooking Durand Johnson. That was a gift from the basketball gods. He'll be a 30 mpg player for us with or without Jordan. I think he'll be an All-Big East player.

 

[Knight]

I think the Jordan case is more than just grades. The Me attitude with the unexcused absences is not someone I want to give an additional chance to. No classes=No Play=Goodbye.

 

[redfazed]

Even if he busts his butt in summer and fall semester to get eligible, I guarantee some of us will complain that him returning second semester will disrupt our new-found team chemistry with LoVett and Mussini. :lol:

I don't think Mussini comes if Jordan remains.

Why would this be the case? We can go with a 3-guard lineup--Mussini, Jordan, LoVett--once Jordan becomes eligible. Mussini will have the added benefit of establishing himself as the starter during the first semester when Jordan is ineligible.

With or without Jordan, can't see us having 2 freshman guards starting

I think P Simmons is seriously overlooking Durand Johnson. That was a gift from the basketball gods. He'll be a 30 mpg player for us with or without Jordan. I think he'll be an All-Big East player.

Not overlooking Johnson at all and agree he's a gift. But if Jordan doesn't come back and assuming we get Mussini (which is still a big assumption at this point), I think we are looking at a starting lineup of:

Lovett
Mussini
Johnson
Williams
Obekpa

 

[JackofVirginia]

Even if he busts his butt in summer and fall semester to get eligible, I guarantee some of us will complain that him returning second semester will disrupt our new-found team chemistry with LoVett and Mussini. :lol:

I don't think Mussini comes if Jordan remains.

Why would this be the case? We can go with a 3-guard lineup--Mussini, Jordan, LoVett--once Jordan becomes eligible. Mussini will have the added benefit of establishing himself as the starter during the first semester when Jordan is ineligible.

With or without Jordan, can't see us having 2 freshman guards starting

If we get Mussini and Lovett is eligible I still believe Ron Mvouika has a good chance of starting in the backcourt. Now should we get Carter then that may change the lineup.

 

[Amaseinyourface]

I'm all for cutting bait.

New staff should start with a clean slate. We're not going to be a tournament team next season. What good does having Jordan for a half of a season (at best) do for us in the long term?

I wish him the best of luck, but SJU is probably better off without him.

You better change that avatar then!

 

[1and1sju]

I'm all for cutting bait.

New staff should start with a clean slate. We're not going to be a tournament team next season. What good does having Jordan for a half of a season (at best) do for us in the long term?

I wish him the best of luck, but SJU is probably better off without him.

You better change that avatar then!

true true.

I've been lazy.

 

[1and1sju]

I'm all for cutting bait.

New staff should start with a clean slate. We're not going to be a tournament team next season. What good does having Jordan for a half of a season (at best) do for us in the long term?

I wish him the best of luck, but SJU is probably better off without him.

What does cutting bait mean exactly? Are you suggesting that Mullin should kick him off the team and revoke his scholarship? If that's the penalty you're advocating for poor grades, then it shouldn't matter whether or not Mussini is coming, right? Shouldn't the penalty for poor grades be uniform and consistent irrespective of how valuable the player is?

With respect to Mussini, I've heard mixed reviews. The recent reports I've been hearing from folks on this Board is that he will initially be a role player at best and with hard work may turn out to be decent. If that's true, I'd rather take my chances with the talented but mercurial Jordan for a semester and recruit a top guard next year. Of course, if Lovett's eligibility is still in question maybe that changes.

In any event, is it even certain that Mussini will come if Jordan doesn't? Can't imagine kicking Jordan off the team only to find out that Mussini isn't coming.

To me it doesn't matter if Mussini is coming or not. It would be nice, and I think Jordan leaving could be a small enticement. But at the end of the day I just feel that SJU is better off parting ways with Jordan. Whether you revoke his scholarship or not is up to coach. But it would be more akin to not letting him back on the team. Because right now he's not eligible to be on the team. (according to reports).
Plus I think there's a good chance that Jordan changes his mind over the summer and decides on his own not to come back.

 

[redfazed]

I believe SJU is infinitely better off if Jordan stays---with the huge proviso that Mullin cuts him zero slack in terms of attending classes and staying in Queens. If Jordan is not prepared to do that, then fine, so long. But he deserves another chance IMO.

 

[1and1sju]

I believe SJU is infinitely better off if Jordan stays---with the huge proviso that Mullin cuts him zero slack in terms of attending classes and staying in Queens. If Jordan is not prepared to do that, then fine, so long. But he deserves another chance IMO.

If he stays, we get him from late December till April. At best. That's if he gets eligible for second semester.
Possibly discourage Mussini from coming.
And to date, he's been a poor example for other teammates, and has repeatedly failed to do what was expected of him.
Its just not worth it for 4 months of basketball.

 

[beast of the east]

I'm all for cutting bait.

New staff should start with a clean slate. We're not going to be a tournament team next season. What good does having Jordan for a half of a season (at best) do for us in the long term?

I wish him the best of luck, but SJU is probably better off without him.

What does cutting bait mean exactly? Are you suggesting that Mullin should kick him off the team and revoke his scholarship? If that's the penalty you're advocating for poor grades, then it shouldn't matter whether or not Mussini is coming, right? Shouldn't the penalty for poor grades be uniform and consistent irrespective of how valuable the player is?

With respect to Mussini, I've heard mixed reviews. The recent reports I've been hearing from folks on this Board is that he will initially be a role player at best and with hard work may turn out to be decent. If that's true, I'd rather take my chances with the talented but mercurial Jordan for a semester and recruit a top guard next year. Of course, if Lovett's eligibility is still in question maybe that changes.

In any event, is it even certain that Mussini will come if Jordan doesn't? Can't imagine kicking Jordan off the team only to find out that Mussini isn't coming.

If Jordan is willing to do his part to become eligible and stay eligible, I cannot see Mullin washing his hands with him. Not because Jordan is his best player, but because Mullin isn't made that way. He'll toss Jordan a life preserver if Jordan is willing to swim to it. No one is cutting bait here - but Jordan's academics may be too far gone to resuscitate.

 

[ras]

The way I see it summer school should be starting pretty soon. If Jordan is taking classes and working hard, we will know . If on the other hand classes start and Jordan is MIA than adios. Re: Descos comments that it is not worth it for 4 months of BB, the spring semester is the most important 4 months, BE time and later tourney time.

 

[redfazed]

I believe SJU is infinitely better off if Jordan stays---with the huge proviso that Mullin cuts him zero slack in terms of attending classes and staying in Queens. If Jordan is not prepared to do that, then fine, so long. But he deserves another chance IMO.

If he stays, we get him from late December till April. At best. That's if he gets eligible for second semester.
Possibly discourage Mussini from coming.
And to date, he's been a poor example for other teammates, and has repeatedly failed to do what was expected of him.
Its just not worth it for 4 months of basketball.

I hear you, Desco--but we're only going to get one season out of Durand Johnson and yet he's seemingly worth a scholarship. I know Jordan's been a royal pain, but he has still delivered the goods on many occasions, and he's coming from some pretty hard circumstances. If Mussini --an unproven commodity in D1 ball--can't handle the thought of sharing the point with a 5-star recruit, then too bad.

 

[paultzman]

I'm all for cutting bait.

New staff should start with a clean slate. We're not going to be a tournament team next season. What good does having Jordan for a half of a season (at best) do for us in the long term?

I wish him the best of luck, but SJU is probably better off without him.

What does cutting bait mean exactly? Are you suggesting that Mullin should kick him off the team and revoke his scholarship? If that's the penalty you're advocating for poor grades, then it shouldn't matter whether or not Mussini is coming, right? Shouldn't the penalty for poor grades be uniform and consistent irrespective of how valuable the player is?

With respect to Mussini, I've heard mixed reviews. The recent reports I've been hearing from folks on this Board is that he will initially be a role player at best and with hard work may turn out to be decent. If that's true, I'd rather take my chances with the talented but mercurial Jordan for a semester and recruit a top guard next year. Of course, if Lovett's eligibility is still in question maybe that changes.

In any event, is it even certain that Mussini will come if Jordan doesn't? Can't imagine kicking Jordan off the team only to find out that Mussini isn't coming.

To me it doesn't matter if Mussini is coming or not. It would be nice, and I think Jordan leaving could be a small enticement. But at the end of the day I just feel that SJU is better off parting ways with Jordan. Whether you revoke his scholarship or not is up to coach. But it would be more akin to not letting him back on the team. Because right now he's not eligible to be on the team. (according to reports).
Plus I think there's a good chance that Jordan changes his mind over the summer and decides on his own not to come back.

I appreciate his talent & potential positive impact. That said, I have zero confidence he would buckle down & get the job done academically to qualify. Sorry.

 

[Marillac]

I believe SJU is infinitely better off if Jordan stays---with the huge proviso that Mullin cuts him zero slack in terms of attending classes and staying in Queens. If Jordan is not prepared to do that, then fine, so long. But he deserves another chance IMO.

If he stays, we get him from late December till April. At best. That's if he gets eligible for second semester.
Possibly discourage Mussini from coming.
And to date, he's been a poor example for other teammates, and has repeatedly failed to do what was expected of him.
Its just not worth it for 4 months of basketball.

He'd miss the Maui tournament (hurts) but otherwise mostly fluff. He'd be back in time for Incarnate Word on 12/18 and then Arizona State on 12/22. He'll be allowed to practice the whole time.

I think he'll be back. He really doesn't have another option. He's a junior now and he's not playing for the coach that promised him the world. He has absolutely no leverage with Lovett on board and we really don't need him like we used to. Mullin holds all the cards in this one and both guys know it.

 

[1and1sju]

I believe SJU is infinitely better off if Jordan stays---with the huge proviso that Mullin cuts him zero slack in terms of attending classes and staying in Queens. If Jordan is not prepared to do that, then fine, so long. But he deserves another chance IMO.

If he stays, we get him from late December till April. At best. That's if he gets eligible for second semester.
Possibly discourage Mussini from coming.
And to date, he's been a poor example for other teammates, and has repeatedly failed to do what was expected of him.
Its just not worth it for 4 months of basketball.

He'd miss the Maui tournament (hurts) but otherwise mostly fluff. He'd be back in time for Incarnate Word on 12/18 and then Arizona State on 12/22. He'll be allowed to practice the whole time.

I think he'll be back. He really doesn't have another option. He's a junior now and he's not playing for the coach that promised him the world. He has absolutely no leverage with Lovett on board and we really don't need him like we used to. Mullin holds all the cards in this one and both guys know it.

That's all true, but he also had all the incentive in the world to have a great junior season and make himself draftable. And the first thing he did was make himself ineligible for half the season.

Honestly, I hope he does come back and prove he's a capable student, and be phenomenal on the court.
But like Paultz said, I just don't have much confidence he'll do what he needs to do.

 

[Andrew]

Whatever Mullin thinks is ok with me.

 

[paultzman]

I believe SJU is infinitely better off if Jordan stays---with the huge proviso that Mullin cuts him zero slack in terms of attending classes and staying in Queens. If Jordan is not prepared to do that, then fine, so long. But he deserves another chance IMO.

If he stays, we get him from late December till April. At best. That's if he gets eligible for second semester.
Possibly discourage Mussini from coming.
And to date, he's been a poor example for other teammates, and has repeatedly failed to do what was expected of him.
Its just not worth it for 4 months of basketball.

He'd miss the Maui tournament (hurts) but otherwise mostly fluff. He'd be back in time for Incarnate Word on 12/18 and then Arizona State on 12/22. He'll be allowed to practice the whole time.

I think he'll be back. He really doesn't have another option. He's a junior now and he's not playing for the coach that promised him the world. He has absolutely no leverage with Lovett on board and we really don't need him like we used to. Mullin holds all the cards in this one and both guys know it.

Sensing his academic hole is too big for him to get out of, leverage or good intentions aside.