Mo and Draft

I don't get Desco's point at all. If Mo stayed in school and had the same #s next year, but the team made the tourney, with a less deep draft, his stock would certainly be higher. The only downside (not inconsiderable) would be an injury or major fall-off in performance, which I personally don't see).

The mock drafts have virtually NO foreign players drafted, and we all know there will be at least a few. So, Mo is not just competing wiht the kids coming out from here. I think he is late first rounder, but that will at least get him some guaranteed money.

As we hhave been told, the boat has left the dock, so let's just wish him the best.

Also, it will be grreat to have another SJU kid in the league.

 
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I think his point is that Harkless is being drafted on potential as few would believe he is NBA ready right now. So the assumption is that his ball handling and shooting will improve; I believe Desco's point is that if he comes back and they don't improve the possibility is that the NBA might re-think their "potential" tag and his draft status will suffer as a result.
 
RMW, that's a key factor that was brought up early and often but hasn't been raised much recently. It is presumed that this year's draft is much deeper than next year's. It was oft stated that quite a few of last year's projected lottery picks surprisingly stuck around for another year due to the NBA labor situation. So if you presume that to be true and combine it with Mo showing an improved shooting touch next year his prospects for getting up towards and potentially into the lottery should have been better next year. That said who are those players that could have gone last year and pushed Moe down further this year by delaying? Jeremy Lamb, Harrison Barnes and Jared Sullinger are the only ones that spring to mind. So maybe that case isn't as strong as some, including myself, thought it was.
 
 Moe certainly could be getting squeezed further down the draft with some of the kids entering.
 
According to Zagoria, Moe's expected to sign with Happy Walters. Walters also represents Amare Stoudemire and Iman Shumpert. 
 
According to Zagoria, Moe's expected to sign with Happy Walters. Walters also represents Amare Stoudemire and Iman Shumpert. 
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Is Moe in good hands? Didn't seem like he had a lot of other good players in his stable.
 
RMW, that's a key factor that was brought up early and often but hasn't been raised much recently. It is presumed that this year's draft is much deeper than next year's. It was oft stated that quite a few of last year's projected lottery picks surprisingly stuck around for another year due to the NBA labor situation. So if you presume that to be true and combine it with Mo showing an improved shooting touch next year his prospects for getting up towards and potentially into the lottery should have been better next year. That said who are those players that could have gone last year and pushed Moe down further this year by delaying? Jeremy Lamb, Harrison Barnes and Jared Sullinger are the only ones that spring to mind. So maybe that case isn't as strong as some, including myself, thought it was.
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I still think there's a strong case to be made, along with those 3, Henson from UNC, Perry jones III, Terrence Jones from UK, all will push Moe further out of the lottery. That makes 6 spots he could have potentially climbed next year but inevitably if he had a solid sophmore year he could have been a top 10 pick. You could also probably add Fab melo and Kendall Marshall to that list as well.
To me Moe is in for a rude awakening if he believes he will be a top 15 pick. I wish him the best but the prudent choice would have been to stick around, it's a bad year to enter the draft primarily hoping teams will see your "upside." that being said I'm confident his career will be more impressive than sullingers who will be a perennial backup in my opinion
 
 Zags also reporting that Moe has been working out at an Academy in Florida. So between not going to class and signing an agent, we can finally stop the messages about Moe potentially coming back. Its over. He's gone pro and good luck.
 
 Zags also reporting that Moe has been working out at an Academy in Florida. So between not going to class and signing an agent, we can finally stop the messages about Moe potentially coming back. Its over. He's gone pro and good luck.
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Hope our APR is not hurt.
 
 Zags also reporting that Moe has been working out at an Academy in Florida. So between not going to class and signing an agent, we can finally stop the messages about Moe potentially coming back. Its over. He's gone pro and good luck.
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Was reported here weeks ago.
He's working out with Anthony Mason.
zagoria would be lost without this site.
 
 Zags also reporting that Moe has been working out at an Academy in Florida. So between not going to class and signing an agent, we can finally stop the messages about Moe potentially coming back. Its over. He's gone pro and good luck.
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Hope our APR is not hurt.
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That is the hazard of recruiting one-and-done and two-and-done players in the modern era. You can absorb it if you have enough four-year players to offset, but if your whole program is built that way you are gonna have a problem.

Of course, Calipari will get out of Lexington one step ahead of APR ineligibility and the NCAA violations squad, as he always does. Somehow it's never Cal or the kids he pays or their parents and friends he paid who get hit, it's always the program that gets left holding the bag.

One of these days the NCAA has to figure out how to penalize the coaches, not the programs and the kids who are collateral damage.
 
 Zags also reporting that Moe has been working out at an Academy in Florida. So between not going to class and signing an agent, we can finally stop the messages about Moe potentially coming back. Its over. He's gone pro and good luck.
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Hope our APR is not hurt.
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That is the hazard of recruiting one-and-done and two-and-done players in the modern era. You can absorb it if you have enough four-year players to offset, but if your whole program is built that way you are gonna have a problem.

Of course, Calipari will get out of Lexington one step ahead of APR ineligibility and the NCAA violations squad, as he always does. Somehow it's never Cal or the kids he pays or their parents and friends he paid who get hit, it's always the program that gets left holding the bag.

One of these days the NCAA has to figure out how to penalize the coaches, not the programs and the kids who are collateral damage.
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It's not just one and done. As long as he leaves in good academic standing the school is fine. That would mean finishing out the semester. Same goes for any player at any school. I'm sure he can afford some days off to train but he would have to pass his finals and such. Knowing the staff is diligent I would hope they are on top of this.
 
 Zags also reporting that Moe has been working out at an Academy in Florida. So between not going to class and signing an agent, we can finally stop the messages about Moe potentially coming back. Its over. He's gone pro and good luck.
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Hope our APR is not hurt.
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That is the hazard of recruiting one-and-done and two-and-done players in the modern era. You can absorb it if you have enough four-year players to offset, but if your whole program is built that way you are gonna have a problem.

Of course, Calipari will get out of Lexington one step ahead of APR ineligibility and the NCAA violations squad, as he always does. Somehow it's never Cal or the kids he pays or their parents and friends he paid who get hit, it's always the program that gets left holding the bag.

One of these days the NCAA has to figure out how to penalize the coaches, not the programs and the kids who are collateral damage.
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The programs have to accept the majority of the penalties they are the institutions who are standing behind these coaches and condoning everything that goes on by paying millions of dollars each year to have these coaches run their teams. And anybody who says they wouldn't want Calipari as their coach is lying, at this point I see nothing wrong with how he's running UK, it's not his fault the 1 year rule is awful and he continually sends 3 or 4 players to the NBA each year
 
 Zags also reporting that Moe has been working out at an Academy in Florida. So between not going to class and signing an agent, we can finally stop the messages about Moe potentially coming back. Its over. He's gone pro and good luck.
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Hope our APR is not hurt.
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That is the hazard of recruiting one-and-done and two-and-done players in the modern era. You can absorb it if you have enough four-year players to offset, but if your whole program is built that way you are gonna have a problem.

Of course, Calipari will get out of Lexington one step ahead of APR ineligibility and the NCAA violations squad, as he always does. Somehow it's never Cal or the kids he pays or their parents and friends he paid who get hit, it's always the program that gets left holding the bag.

One of these days the NCAA has to figure out how to penalize the coaches, not the programs and the kids who are collateral damage.
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The programs have to accept the majority of the penalties they are the institutions who are standing behind these coaches and condoning everything that goes on by paying millions of dollars each year to have these coaches run their teams. And anybody who says they wouldn't want Calipari as their coach is lying, at this point I see nothing wrong with how he's running UK, it's not his fault the 1 year rule is awful and he continually sends 3 or 4 players to the NBA each year
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I wouldn't want Calapari as my coach at all, but then again I'm old and did not grow up in the "win or whine" era. As for you not seeing anything wrong with how he's running Kentucky, I'd like to talk to you about a bridge. Obviously, I don't know if he is or not, maybe he did get religion, but I do know he is plenty slick enough to not be obvious about his manuverings, just ask UMass and Memphis.
 
 Fair enough, I love Lav but to me the difference between Norm and Lav is the same as the one between Lav and Calipari. He is the best at what he does and at this point I see it almost impossible for him to commit violations. He is not flying under the radar anymore at umass or even at Memphis. He is recruiting at the highest level of all time simply because kids know their chances of going to the pros remain in tact and often increase. Like I said before blame the 1 year rule because there is a very slim chance Calipari is committing violations while winning titles and recruiting #1 classes each year the NCAA has him within arms reach for sure
 
 Fair enough, I love Lav but to me the difference between Norm and Lav is the same as the one between Lav and Calipari. He is the best at what he does and at this point I see it almost impossible for him to commit violations. He is not flying under the radar anymore at umass or even at Memphis. He is recruiting at the highest level of all time simply because kids know their chances of going to the pros remain in tact and often increase. Like I said before blame the 1 year rule because there is a very slim chance Calipari is committing violations while winning titles and recruiting #1 classes each year the NCAA has him within arms reach for sure
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  SJU is not Kentucky. Schools like that and Duke sell themselves. When Lavin was at UCLA his recruiting success wasnt that far from Calipari, He always recruited top classes with multiple #1 classes. Hopefully SJU will be at that level in the future. Remember Rome wasnt built in a day.
 
Now with Kentucky's starting five all declaring, it would be unfortunate for Mo if he didn't have a reality check. This world is full of people with overblown egos. 
 
Now with Kentucky's starting five all declaring, it would be unfortunate for Mo if he didn't have a reality check. This world is full of people with overblown egos. 
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Smh. No reality check to be had.. Moe is gone.. Let it go.
 
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