Mike Anderson - Recruiting, Coaching, Etc.

TheArtest15" post=416375 said:
Ray Morgan" post=416372 said:
Here is how I look at CMA as a coach and a recruiter. He has a winning record so far relying primarily on a feshman and a sophomore.  A lot of minutes are going to another freshman and 2 J.C. transfers playing their first year of division 1 basketball. The roster has 1 or 2 at the most players rated at 4 stars in high school. Almost every other program in the Big East have more. That tells me that CMA can coach and get teams to overachieve. I do not expect another poor start next season.

How would our last 3 coaches have done with this level of talent?  I would guess that our last 2 coaches, who had rosters filled with 4 star and even a few 5 star players, would have a disjointed looking team with very few Big East wins. CMA's teams each season have taken half a season to jell, which makes sense considering the age and newness of the players to division 1. His teams follow a tough system and still look more organized that I have seen with our previous 3 coaches.

Both Posh and Wusu have shown improvement this season.  Champagnie has gone from nice surprise as a freshman to first team Big East as a sophomore. Some of our higher ranked players under our previous coaches seemed to play worse as their careers wore on. CMA can coach. His streak, despite claims by some frustrated posters to the contrary, is a real achievement. He may not get many 4 star recruits, but he will get the most out of every player on the roster.




 
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I think the fact of the matter is that CMA and our last two coaches both have strengths and weaknesses. You can say how would the past two coaches do with this level of talent, but they did get better talent. They recruited better than CMA and CMA has done way better than them developing and getting the mos tout of the players he has recruited. 

Ive been pumped up with the play the last 5-6 game sand they have totally impresse dme and turned our season around. But I also think everyone is on a high because of this play. We still need some difference makers in recruiting going forward to really make a jumo. CMA has proven to be able to develop players so Id love to see some studs come in and play here under him. 
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I think that's fair.
 
The issue for the future wil be , in the abscence of getting the high 4 or 5 stat player(s) , will be does that get and keep us in the Mid Tier of the BE ? I think the Objective for CMA is that you want to be  in the upper tier and challenging for a BE title . Which does require Tslent . The top teams now in the BE all hsve 3-4 Highly talented and heavily Recruited kids . We have to match that at some point . Unless being a 4-5 place team is enough for the School , Fans , etc . I think Anderson would love to win the BE title and Tourney but , that takes more Ammo . It doesn't have to be the 1 and done level player but , guys who will contribute for as long as they play college ball . The Nova and Creighton template is like that for the most part . So were Xavier and Butler until this year . PC is consistently mid tier with the occasional over achieving season . SH has been top tier fir a while but , might be headed to mid tier . UCONN will always get talented players too .
 
SLYFOXX1968" post=416443 said:
The issue for the future wil be , in the abscence of getting the high 4 or 5 stat player(s) , will be does that get and keep us in the Mid Tier of the BE ? I think the Objective for CMA is that you want to be  in the upper tier and challenging for a BE title . Which does require Tslent . The top teams now in the BE all hsve 3-4 Highly talented and heavily Recruited kids . We have to match that at some point . Unless being a 4-5 place team is enough for the School , Fans , etc . I think Anderson would love to win the BE title and Tourney but , that takes more Ammo . It doesn't have to be the 1 and done level player but , guys who will contribute for as long as they play college ball . The Nova and Creighton template is like that for the most part . So were Xavier and Butler until this year . PC is consistently mid tier with the occasional over achieving season . SH has been top tier fir a while but , might be headed to mid tier . UCONN will always get talented players too .
 
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We have to find a way to win with lower ranked players first to get the higher ranked players to come because we have no history of a winning culture for the last few decades, no history of getting guys to the NBA, and lackluster facilities.  What we do have is a history of being perennial bottom feeders in the conference and of changing coaches every 5 years since Louie left.  Have to change what we have been to get where we want to go.  I think CMA can get us there, but to expect decades of ineptitude to disappear in a couple of years is just crazy IMO.
 
Anthony Mattia" post=416448 said:
SLYFOXX1968" post=416443 said:
The issue for the future wil be , in the abscence of getting the high 4 or 5 stat player(s) , will be does that get and keep us in the Mid Tier of the BE ? I think the Objective for CMA is that you want to be  in the upper tier and challenging for a BE title . Which does require Tslent . The top teams now in the BE all hsve 3-4 Highly talented and heavily Recruited kids . We have to match that at some point . Unless being a 4-5 place team is enough for the School , Fans , etc . I think Anderson would love to win the BE title and Tourney but , that takes more Ammo . It doesn't have to be the 1 and done level player but , guys who will contribute for as long as they play college ball . The Nova and Creighton template is like that for the most part . So were Xavier and Butler until this year . PC is consistently mid tier with the occasional over achieving season . SH has been top tier fir a while but , might be headed to mid tier . UCONN will always get talented players too .

 
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We have to find a way to win with lower ranked players first to get the higher ranked players to come because we have no history of a winning culture for the last few decades, no history of getting guys to the NBA, and lackluster facilities.  What we do have is a history of being perennial bottom feeders in the conference and of changing coaches every 5 years since Louie left.  Have to change what we have been to get where we want to go.  I think CMA can get us there, but to expect decades of ineptitude to disappear in a couple of years is just crazy IMO.
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I might be mistaken about this, but I have a really storng feeling that with a new sheriff in town (Father Shanley), we are ushering in a new era at St. John's University.   For the first time in at least the last 50 years, we have great university leadership along with athletic department leadership and the right coach. for men's basketball.
 
 We have to find a way to win with lower ranked players first to get the higher ranked players to come because we have no history of a winning culture for the last few decades, no history of getting guys to the NBA, and lackluster facilities.  What we do have is a history of being perennial bottom feeders in the conference and of changing coaches every 5 years since Louie left.  Have to change what we have been to get where we want to go.  I think CMA can get us there, but to expect decades of ineptitude to disappear in a couple of years is just crazy IMO.

thank you Anthony Mattea
excellent discussion,
notiing of value 
happens in coupla years


a few songs have had the key word or key lyrics that we all need
(coaches, players, fans)
before we can get to that
Promised Land...

think the Chairmen of the Board
1970
give us just a little more time and our love for St. John's basketball will surely grow 


Think Chambers Bros
1967
(for when we make the tourney )
time has come today
can't put it off another day

think Zoombies
1968
It's the time of the season

( you can tell what college years I'm referencing 
lol )

 
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Beast of the East" post=416467 said:
Anthony Mattia" post=416448 said:
SLYFOXX1968" post=416443 said:
The issue for the future wil be , in the abscence of getting the high 4 or 5 stat player(s) , will be does that get and keep us in the Mid Tier of the BE ? I think the Objective for CMA is that you want to be  in the upper tier and challenging for a BE title . Which does require Tslent . The top teams now in the BE all hsve 3-4 Highly talented and heavily Recruited kids . We have to match that at some point . Unless being a 4-5 place team is enough for the School , Fans , etc . I think Anderson would love to win the BE title and Tourney but , that takes more Ammo . It doesn't have to be the 1 and done level player but , guys who will contribute for as long as they play college ball . The Nova and Creighton template is like that for the most part . So were Xavier and Butler until this year . PC is consistently mid tier with the occasional over achieving season . SH has been top tier fir a while but , might be headed to mid tier . UCONN will always get talented players too .


 
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We have to find a way to win with lower ranked players first to get the higher ranked players to come because we have no history of a winning culture for the last few decades, no history of getting guys to the NBA, and lackluster facilities.  What we do have is a history of being perennial bottom feeders in the conference and of changing coaches every 5 years since Louie left.  Have to change what we have been to get where we want to go.  I think CMA can get us there, but to expect decades of ineptitude to disappear in a couple of years is just crazy IMO.
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I might be mistaken about this, but I have a really storng feeling that with a new sheriff in town (Father Shanley), we are ushering in a new era at St. John's University.   For the first time in at least the last 50 years, we have great university leadership along with athletic department leadership and the right coach. for men's basketball.


I couldn't agree more Beast, just not going to happen overnight. 
 
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Tough night for the "Mike Anderson can't recruit or coach" crowd, amirite?

Maybe time to just scrap this thread...
 
lawmanfan" post=416880 said:
Tough night for the "Mike Anderson can't recruit or coach" crowd, amirite?

Maybe time to just scrap this thread...
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Close this thread.  Mike Anderson has been a godsend.  He can never be questioned again.  This team and program has taken off and the sky is the limit.
 
Duke of Earlington" post=416890 said:
lawmanfan" post=416880 said:
Tough night for the "Mike Anderson can't recruit or coach" crowd, amirite?

Maybe time to just scrap this thread...
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Close this thread.  Mike Anderson has been a godsend.  He can never be questioned again.  This team and program has taken off and the sky is the limit.
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I don't disagree, but people on this board wanted to give Norm a huge extension after his first big win.

It's OK for people to still wonder about recruiting. I happen to like what we have coming in, but there may be some years where I don't. We just can't be so damn bipolar about it./media/kunena/emoticons/grin.png

But I don't think it's up for debate anymore whether the man can coach. The positives far outweigh the negatives. I've seen Coach K stubbornly refuse to switch up his D in a game before when it could have possibly turnd the tide. Bad decisions happen to the best of them.

I'm very happy with him as coach, and I'm hoping the rest of the staff is still learning new tricks from him.
 
lawmanfan" post=416880 said:
Tough night for the "Mike Anderson can't recruit or coach" crowd, amirite?

Maybe time to just scrap this thread...

Tough night indeed.  Making us doubters look pretty foolish.  Keep it up!
 
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We've seen it 2 years in a row. CMA teams improve markedly over the course of the year. Any analysis of players or coaching based off of early performance is nuts.
 
Porgyman" post=416950 said:
We've seen it 2 years in a row. CMA teams improve markedly over the course of the year. Any analysis of players or coaching based off of early performance is nuts.

Porgy
excellent accurate point!
we are fortunate with our new president our athletic director and I head coach! And our players are terrific young men!

blessings
 
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Tough job being a head coach when the blame falls squarely on your shoulders after losses but credit mostly goes to players when things are going well.

A lot of superlatives could be used during this stretch but the biggest credit to coach is that he has this group playing as a TEAM. What an absolute joy to see a fast break where the ball does not touch the floor and Champ/Posh exchange 5 passes to the hoop.

Posh/Wusu have improved more in half of a season than some players do during their 4 year careers! Excited to see if they can continue this very high level of ball. 
 
I guess we are learning MA will lose some games along the way to make the team better. I have no problem blowing a few early to be firing on all cylinders at the end of the season.

Hopefully with some roster continuity future seasons won't start out with a while new team learning a system.

I glad the board is a happier place today.
 
Yeah I saw the dousing last night.  Great video. Mike is humble and keeping em focused.  He's a very good coach and crazy as it is, still earning respect, only 2 wins away from 400 in his college career.  I sincerely hope he's here until he retires and continues to give us the stability we desperately need as a program, as well as the identity we are taking on.  SJU becoming known for tenacity on the court and other programs are noticing.  I think we are in good hands. 
 
MCNPA" post=417012 said:
Yeah I saw the dousing last night.  Great video. Mike is humble and keeping em focused.  He's a very good coach and crazy as it is, still earning respect, only 2 wins away from 400 in his college career.  I sincerely hope he's here until he retires and continues to give us the stability we desperately need as a program, as well as the identity we are taking on.  SJU becoming known for tenacity on the court and other programs are noticing.  I think we are in good hands. 
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Well said and couldn't agree more! 
 
Paultzman" post=417006 said:
Kids have responded and respect, like Mike. Not perfect, but IMO his impact on kids is nice to see and meaningful beyond hoops.

https://twitter.com/stjohnsbball/status/1357192375425249280?s=21


 
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i've noticed it throughout the season, but there was a specific moment yesterday that stood out to me.

Champ had gotten fouled pretty hard, looked like he was undercut. i think it was on a rebound attempt.

he was pretty upset. 

he was being subbed out at the point and he was clearly upset, complaining as he approached Coach. 

coach pulled down his mask and immediately started, i wouldn't say yelling at Champ, but certainly commanding authority.  what i loved though, was Champ immediately recognized the situation, put his arm around coach and listened.

to me, that was symbolic of coach's authority. someone that commands respect. and the team admires.  
 
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