Max Hooper

 Its not that I dont like Hooper. But using one of our last scholis on someone who didnt get pt at Harvard doesnt make much sense to me. From what I read Wood is a better player and a shooter and really likes SJU.If we offer Wood a scholi we will only have one scholi left which would go to a big. Of course if we dont have to use a scholi, his recruitment makes more sense.
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Wood had his chance and backed off. Maybe he comes back but we cant wait around and save scholarships on players who's status we are unsure about. Wood is a better player but Hooper is without a doubt a better shooter
 
 Its not that I dont like Hooper. But using one of our last scholis on someone who didnt get pt at Harvard doesnt make much sense to me. From what I read Wood is a better player and a shooter and really likes SJU.If we offer Wood a scholi we will only have one scholi left which would go to a big. Of course if we dont have to use a scholi, his recruitment makes more sense.
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Wood had his chance and backed off. Maybe he comes back but we cant wait around and save scholarships on players who's status we are unsure about. Wood is a better player but Hooper is without a doubt a better shooter
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I'm sure I missed it, but why no playing time at Harvard? It seems like he would've been the best shooter on the team.
 
 Its not that I dont like Hooper. But using one of our last scholis on someone who didnt get pt at Harvard doesnt make much sense to me. From what I read Wood is a better player and a shooter and really likes SJU.If we offer Wood a scholi we will only have one scholi left which would go to a big. Of course if we dont have to use a scholi, his recruitment makes more sense.
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Wood had his chance and backed off. Maybe he comes back but we cant wait around and save scholarships on players who's status we are unsure about. Wood is a better player but Hooper is without a doubt a better shooter
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I'm sure I missed it, but why no playing time at Harvard? It seems like he would've been the best shooter on the team.
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Somebody posted a link to the Harvard board a few days ago, and basically they were saying he didn't play because he was a liability defensively, and they already started 3 upperclassmen who were good shooters but couldn't stay in front of their man. So where as here, we might be able to hide him defensively, they couldn't afford to put 4 guys out there who can't play a lick of D. At least while he was a freshmen.
 
So let me get this straight, Max Hooper, who played in all of two games last year (total 4 minutes) for Harvard and wasn't good enough to play against the likes of such power houses as Dartmouth (5-25) and Brown (8-23) yet is going to come to St John's and make a contribution against the likes of Louisville, Georgetown et al in the best conference in America because we're going to be able to hide him in our attacking, trapping zone?

Based on a high school highlight reel where every shot he every made was strung together? To the guys who are touting this kid as anything more than a practice player: I want whatever it is you are smoking.
 
So let me get this straight, Max Hooper, who played in all of two games last year (total 4 minutes) for Harvard and wasn't good enough to play against the likes of such power houses as Dartmouth (5-25) and Brown (8-23) yet is going to come to St John's and make a contribution against the likes of Louisville, Georgetown et al in the best conference in America because we're going to be able to hide him in our attacking, trapping zone?

Based on a high school highlight reel where every shot he every made was strung together? To the guys who are touting this kid as anything more than a practice player: I want whatever it is you are smoking.
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Again no one knows why he didn't play at Harvard. It could of been anything. But yes I think he will be a big part in spacing the floor and will make big contributions. I have seen him several times and he can play. Hooper is a lights out shooter who is filling a huge need for us
 
So let me get this straight, Max Hooper, who played in all of two games last year (total 4 minutes) for Harvard and wasn't good enough to play against the likes of such power houses as Dartmouth (5-25) and Brown (8-23) yet is going to come to St John's and make a contribution against the likes of Louisville, Georgetown et al in the best conference in America because we're going to be able to hide him in our attacking, trapping zone?

Based on a high school highlight reel where every shot he every made was strung together? To the guys who are touting this kid as anything more than a practice player: I want whatever it is you are smoking.
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Again no one knows why he didn't play at Harvard. It could of been anything. But yes I think he will be a big part in spacing the floor and will make big contributions. I have seen him several times and he can play. Hooper is a lights out shooter who is filling a huge need for us
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I (at least) am basing my optimism on having seen him play with/against top rated talent at high School/Prep School at Mater Dei with the Wear Twins, Tyler Lamb and Keala King, and at Brewster with Jakarr, Mitch McGary, Nadir Tharpe and Markus Kennedy.....
 
So let me get this straight, Max Hooper, who played in all of two games last year (total 4 minutes) for Harvard and wasn't good enough to play against the likes of such power houses as Dartmouth (5-25) and Brown (8-23) yet is going to come to St John's and make a contribution against the likes of Louisville, Georgetown et al in the best conference in America because we're going to be able to hide him in our attacking, trapping zone?

Based on a high school highlight reel where every shot he every made was strung together? To the guys who are touting this kid as anything more than a practice player: I want whatever it is you are smoking.
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Not sure he didn't play because he wasn't good enough. We don't know why he didn't play. Maybe he was hoping to try to keep eligibility for the year if he transferred? There were rumors of him wanting to transfer early in the season though and I don't think him not playing is because he wasn't good enough.
 
So let me get this straight, Max Hooper, who played in all of two games last year (total 4 minutes) for Harvard and wasn't good enough to play against the likes of such power houses as Dartmouth (5-25) and Brown (8-23) yet is going to come to St John's and make a contribution against the likes of Louisville, Georgetown et al in the best conference in America because we're going to be able to hide him in our attacking, trapping zone?

Based on a high school highlight reel where every shot he every made was strung together? To the guys who are touting this kid as anything more than a practice player: I want whatever it is you are smoking.
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So let me get this straight, you, who don't have a clue as to why Hoover didn't play at Harvard and has never seen him play, are going to decide what kind of player he is and what contribution he would make over seasoned experienced people for whom basketball is their livelihood. I would ask for whatever you are smoking but I don't indulge. Maybe you should lay off a little yourself.
 
 I'm not smokin anything...but I'm not that exicited about this signing. I am no expert, but I tend to look at what other schools were looking at a recruit or a transferring player. With Max, I couldn't find too long of a list. I wish him well, but as of now, I see him as a good role player off the bench, and all teams need guys like that.
 
 I'm not smokin anything...but I'm not that exicited about this signing. I am no expert, but I tend to look at what other schools were looking at a recruit or a transferring player. With Max, I couldn't find too long of a list. I wish him well, but as of now, I see him as a good role player off the bench, and all teams need guys like that.
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I feel the same way, Im not so elated that he signed, but I also think starting fives that are good make you good and bench players that can chip in in different ways makes you great.
 
 I think max is going to be a nice player... Stretch the d, remember he was one of the better shooters in the country and he our gut now!!!
 
So let me get this straight, Max Hooper, who played in all of two games last year (total 4 minutes) for Harvard and wasn't good enough to play against the likes of such power houses as Dartmouth (5-25) and Brown (8-23) yet is going to come to St John's and make a contribution against the likes of Louisville, Georgetown et al in the best conference in America because we're going to be able to hide him in our attacking, trapping zone?

Based on a high school highlight reel where every shot he every made was strung together? To the guys f players who are touting this kid as anything more than a practice player: I want whatever it is you are smoking.
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There is probably a lot a lot of players that their D is not up to par His is yet to be seen however think the staff can make him function well on zones played against us . A good Defensive team and a strong shot blocker in the middle will negate his short comings on the Defensive end if in fact he has any which for those who have not seen him play often Is an assumption. We really need this kid shooting imo he is going to turn out to be a valuable player Anyway to not think he can hurt us he has more good and bad to offer
 
So let me get this straight, Max Hooper, who played in all of two games last year (total 4 minutes) for Harvard and wasn't good enough to play against the likes of such power houses as Dartmouth (5-25) and Brown (8-23) yet is going to come to St John's and make a contribution against the likes of Louisville, Georgetown et al in the best conference in America because we're going to be able to hide him in our attacking, trapping zone?

Based on a high school highlight reel where every shot he every made was strung together? To the guys f players who are touting this kid as anything more than a practice player: I want whatever it is you are smoking.
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There is probably a lot a lot of players that their D is not up to par His is yet to be seen however think the staff can make him function well on zones played against us . A good Defensive team and a strong shot blocker in the middle will negate his short comings on the Defensive end if in fact he has any which for those who have not seen him play often Is an assumption. We really need this kid shooting imo he is going to turn out to be a valuable player Anyway to not think he can hurt us he has more good and bad to offer
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Assuming he is going to practice with the team the way Branch did, one would assume his shortcomings on D might be tweaked a little over the course of the next year. He'll never be a Sir Dom but I am willing to bet you see much better defense out of Max by the time he hits the court in 2013 than you ever saw out of him at Harvard.
 
 I'm not smokin anything...but I'm not that exicited about this signing. I am no expert, but I tend to look at what other schools were looking at a recruit or a transferring player. With Max, I couldn't find too long of a list. I wish him well, but as of now, I see him as a good role player off the bench, and all teams need guys like that.
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I think if you polled our posters, you'd see that most are expecting him to be a role player off the bench for shooting/scoring purposes. I don't think anybody is expecting a starter or anything close at this point. If he gets to that point, then even better. I'm happy to have him on board because guys like this have been killing us for decades. To have a few guys who can come in a drop treys like rain is very helpful.
 
So let me get this straight, Max Hooper, who played in all of two games last year (total 4 minutes) for Harvard and wasn't good enough to play against the likes of such power houses as Dartmouth (5-25) and Brown (8-23) yet is going to come to St John's and make a contribution against the likes of Louisville, Georgetown et al in the best conference in America because we're going to be able to hide him in our attacking, trapping zone?

Based on a high school highlight reel where every shot he every made was strung together? To the guys who are touting this kid as anything more than a practice player: I want whatever it is you are smoking.
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So let me get this straight, you, who don't have a clue as to why Hoover didn't play at Harvard and has never seen him play, are going to decide what kind of player he is and what contribution he would make over seasoned experienced people for whom basketball is their livelihood. I would ask for whatever you are smoking but I don't indulge. Maybe you should lay off a little yourself.
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I do know this:

1.) Not all 13 scholarship players on a major DI college basketball team make significant on-court contributions

2.) Hooper can shoot but his lateral quickness is severely limited (he is a statue)

3.) For whatever reason, he played 4 minutes in two games for Harvard last season so we don't have any evidence that he can perform in the Big East Conference. Plenty of kids are stars in high school but not at that level of compitition.

Have nothing whatsoever against the kid. I'm not knocking the fact that we signed him. I think it was a good move. Just trying to be realistic. With the players we have and the players we're hoping to pursue in the future, I don't think Max will ever be part of Lavin's regular 8- or 9-man rotation.

Are the "seasoned experienced people for whom basketball is their livelihood" members of this board who are comparing Hooper to Chris Mullin?
 
So let me get this straight, Max Hooper, who played in all of two games last year (total 4 minutes) for Harvard and wasn't good enough to play against the likes of such power houses as Dartmouth (5-25) and Brown (8-23) yet is going to come to St John's and make a contribution against the likes of Louisville, Georgetown et al in the best conference in America because we're going to be able to hide him in our attacking, trapping zone?

Based on a high school highlight reel where every shot he every made was strung together? To the guys who are touting this kid as anything more than a practice player: I want whatever it is you are smoking.
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So let me get this straight, you, who don't have a clue as to why Hoover didn't play at Harvard and has never seen him play, are going to decide what kind of player he is and what contribution he would make over seasoned experienced people for whom basketball is their livelihood. I would ask for whatever you are smoking but I don't indulge. Maybe you should lay off a little yourself.
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I do know this:

1.) Not all 13 scholarship players on a major DI college basketball team make significant on-court contributions

2.) Hooper can shoot but his lateral quickness is severely limited (he is a statue)

3.) For whatever reason, he played 4 minutes in two games for Harvard last season so we don't have any evidence that he can perform in the Big East Conference. Plenty of kids are stars in high school but not at that level of compitition.

Have nothing whatsoever against the kid. I'm not knocking the fact that we signed him. I think it was a good move. Just trying to be realistic. With the players we have and the players we're hoping to pursue in the future, I don't think Max will ever be part of Lavin's regular 8- or 9-man rotation.

Are the "seasoned experienced people for whom basketball is their livelihood" members of this board who are comparing Hooper to Chris Mullin?
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I love people who post "Have nothing whatsoever against the kid. I'm not knocking the fact that we signed him" after posting sarcastic, negative posts about "the kid." And no, the " "seasoned experienced people for whom basketball is their livelihood" " are not the members of this board who are comparing Hooper to Chris Mullin; I refer to is the SJU coaching staff; you might remember them, they are the ones who recruited our latest practice player, the one you have no problem with the their signing him.
 
 Harvard was a top 25 team this year that would have beaten the pants of STJ with a team full of kids just like Hooper. Harvard's passing, shooting, and overall IQ would have led to a double-digit victory over our more talented and atletic group.

The irony is that even though Harvard competes in a low-major conference, Hooper was further down on its depth chart than he would have been at bigger schools because that roster was filled with his talent clones--clones with more experience and more college ready bodies.

How many times over the last two years have we been absolutely shredded by a kid like Max Hooper? When that happens, everyone has the same handuful of complaints with key words like "pure shooter" "Mullin," wah wah, "when was the last time we had a white kid that could shoot" wah wah.

Lavin adds as pure and decorated of a shooter as you'll find and now guys want to cry because we don't have a top 100 kid for every spot on our roster. I'd rather have a kid with a specialized skill like Hooper than a top 100 talent hurting our team chemistry because he's not happy not being the focal point for the first time in his life.

Did you guys see the way teams defended Harrison this season? Everywhere he went they marked him and screamed "shooter." He had a guy face-guarding him even if they were in a zone! You can't do that to two shooters and not get destroyed with dribble penetration and back screens to free up the shooters. Two shooters running off of screens more than doubles the open looks and creates a lot of chaos--not just for the shooter, but for slashers to get into space vacated by a help defender for a quick pass and layup.

What makes Hoooper even more dangerous than Harrison in some ways is that he's a big 6'7 body that can set screens at the top in pick-and-roll and force a big forward to try to guard Branch, Greene, or Harrison if they switch. You gotta like our chances with Branch going against a wing with a head of steam and a step. That just screams playside big stepping up to help and a layoff for a dunk to our big man sealing to the basket weakside.
 
 Harvard was a top 25 team this year that would have beaten the pants of STJ with a team full of kids just like Hooper. Harvard's passing, shooting, and overall IQ would have led to a double-digit victory over our more talented and atletic group.

The irony is that even though Harvard competes in a low-major conference, Hooper was further down on its depth chart than he would have been at bigger schools because that roster was filled with his talent clones--clones with more experience and more college ready bodies.

How many times over the last two years have we been absolutely shredded by a kid like Max Hooper? When that happens, everyone has the same handuful of complaints with key words like "pure shooter" "Mullin," wah wah, "when was the last time we had a white kid that could shoot" wah wah.

Lavin adds as pure and decorated of a shooter as you'll find and now guys want to cry because we don't have a top 100 kid for every spot on our roster. I'd rather have a kid with a specialized skill like Hooper than a top 100 talent hurting our team chemistry because he's not happy not being the focal point for the first time in his life.

Did you guys see the way teams defended Harrison this season? Everywhere he went they marked him and screamed "shooter." He had a guy face-guarding him even if they were in a zone! You can't do that to two shooters and not get destroyed with dribble penetration and back screens to free up the shooters. Two shooters running off of screens more than doubles the open looks and creates a lot of chaos--not just for the shooter, but for slashers to get into space vacated by a help defender for a quick pass and layup.

What makes Hoooper even more dangerous than Harrison in some ways is that he's a big 6'7 body that can set screens at the top in pick-and-roll and force a big forward to try to guard Branch, Greene, or Harrison if they switch. You gotta like our chances with Branch going against a wing with a head of steam and a step. That just screams playside big stepping up to help and a layoff for a dunk to our big man sealing to the basket weakside.
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You make a great deal of sense Marillac but there are basic questions still to be answered involving this recruit.



Why were we only competing with Oakland for Max Hooper ..

If he is so lights out as a shooter why couldn't he get any role time at Harvard.

Harvard had a very good team but not so good that a player like we think that Hooper is couldn't even get role player minutes.

You say that Hooper will be a kid that wont complain about being the focal point but to some degree at least, isn't that why he left Harvard.

He was an academic /player scholarship winner in college so he's got the brains.

Another thing is there are hints about his being a defensive liability. If that's true then he might be giving up more than he scores.

Lavin is great but he is human. He can err in a particular judgment.

I think that the fun in being a contributor here is the opinions we share among each other

I don't think anyone should be precluded because one is not deemed an,"expert.".

We can never be sure about potential recruits because we don't have the info and expertise that the coach and staff have.

We do have access to enough print , viewing and sharing among each other, that gives us a synergy,, that allows us to make opinions the consensus of which , I find results in highly accurate. assessments.

We may not be ,"experts." but we know our stuff pretty well, at least well enough to enlighten each other--- so keep em coming !
 
 I really don't see the argument here. We all know that he won't be in the starting 5, or or even an 8 man rotation, however everyone always bitches when other teams are shooting lights out that we have no shooters, sooo the staff gets one of the better pure shooters available and yet we complain about wasting a ship on him??Yet your next breath is how not everyone on a 13 man roster needs to be an all star... So I guess I'm confused a bit as to what the argument is here. I like the fact that he gets to be coached and practice with the team for the next year. You don't think he can improve with his D or lack thereof during that time frame where he can be getting 10-12 minutes a game if that's what is needed for a certain game plan?? I'll trust Lav and Co. on this one. Sorry
 
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