Matt A

I realize that next year will be the 3rd year for Mullin and staff to be on the sidelines, but, I don't view it as year 3 of the rebuild, I view it as year 2. Why? Because he did not get to go through a full recruitment cycle and was left with no players his 1st year. He took a bunch of grad transfers that weren't very good, just to put a team on the floor. So for me, the rebuild just finished year 1, and I am happy with what I have seen, and hope for better days to come.

That's fair. To me if we are in hunt for NCAA bid for most of next season, retain Ponds & other core guys, land a solid 18 recruiting class & are positioned well for 19 kids, it should give us confidence we are on track for continuous success.

Agree. To add to the attributes you noted and as think we've discussed previously Year 4 is really the telling one for NCAA IMO. Would be great to make it next year, think in a few months we'll be looking at a roster that has a reasonable chance to make it, but not going to be a referendum on this staff if they don't. Think .500 or better overall and in league with a mid-high teen W total are the musts. If that adds up to NCAA or if we outperform that and are squarely in NCAA great, but not a must.

Year 4 you really need to be there. As Providence and Marquette and even Seton Hall demonstrated this year it's tough to make the tournament but it's not that tough. Providence is dancing for their 4th year in a row which is more than SJU has been since 2000. They can't be that much better positioned than us to succeed.

Don't know when I first got concerned about Lavin's ability to establish year over year success here, but it was definitely by the time SJU didn't make the tourney with loaded and balanced roster in terms of experience in Year 4. For that kind of team all the early talk about peaking by February, then the 5 game losing streak to start conference play, and blowing a 7 point late first half lead that turned into a 17 point late second half deficit in the BET v. Providence (although we scratched back) with confounding substitution patterns when it was essentially an NCAA play-in game...I recall sitting in MSG after that one and at the end of that season having questions. Just didn't seem like we were getting most out of what we had.

Think it's fair to evaluate this staff on similar timeline.

Very valid points. Providence is the example worth comparing our program to imo. Cooley does a great job recruiting and coaching. He came very close to signing our best player Shamorie Ponds. Picture our team without Ponds and Providence with him and you get the picture. For our investment in these coaches there is no reason not to expect one top 60 player every year.

Even 1 top 60 player 3 out of 4 years and sprinkle in a talented transfer, a top JC, and/ or a foreign player
We don't need stellar r cruising classes every year...
There are a number of paths to succeed
AND CM and Company WILL succeed
( or I will apologize :lol: )
Write it down !!!

let's go St. John's!!!

We already will have 2 top 60 players next year with Ponds and Simon. I expect another next year and in the 2019 class. I have high expectations and so does the staff for recruiting talent. Getting them to play defense and as a unit would be a bonus. ;)
 
Hearing Will Wade has a good shot at one of these high major jobs currently open and will make it a priority to get Matt with him wherever he lands.
 
Hearing Will Wade has a good shot at one of these high major jobs currently open and will make it a priority to get Matt with him wherever he lands.

Yeah, good luck with that. Matt just prevailed in a power struggle with Slice. He's not going anywhere.
 
Hearing Will Wade has a good shot at one of these high major jobs currently open and will make it a priority to get Matt with him wherever he lands.

When did you last get your hearing tested?

Not entirely implausible. Our own Paultzman alluded to the possibility several weeks ago.
 
Hearing Will Wade has a good shot at one of these high major jobs currently open and will make it a priority to get Matt with him wherever he lands.

:lol: :lol: good one

not saying it will ultimately happen but don't doubt the source. J mattera is not one to throw punches in the wind .
 
Hearing Will Wade has a good shot at one of these high major jobs currently open and will make it a priority to get Matt with him wherever he lands.

When did you last get your hearing tested?

Not entirely implausible. Our own Paultzman alluded to the possibility several weeks ago.

Slice would be laughing all the way to bank and get his revenge.
Note to Matt: Loose lips sink ships.
 
Hearing Will Wade has a good shot at one of these high major jobs currently open and will make it a priority to get Matt with him wherever he lands.

When did you last get your hearing tested?

Not entirely implausible. Our own Paultzman alluded to the possibility several weeks ago.

Leave me out of this. Fun had me committed for that. :)
 
Hearing Will Wade has a good shot at one of these high major jobs currently open and will make it a priority to get Matt with him wherever he lands.


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Hearing Will Wade has a good shot at one of these high major jobs currently open and will make it a priority to get Matt with him wherever he lands.

What's the connection between the 2 of them? Not liking all the Matt chatter. Around here where there's smoke, there's usually a raging inferno.
 
Glad you are back posting Moose!

Not a fan of Matt A still? My concern would be who the hell would we get to fill that void. Matty A gets after it, so it seems...


Hearing Will Wade has a good shot at one of these high major jobs currently open and will make it a priority to get Matt with him wherever he lands.


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Hearing Will Wade has a good shot at one of these high major jobs currently open and will make it a priority to get Matt with him wherever he lands.

What's the connection between the 2 of them? Not liking all the Matt chatter. Around here where there's smoke, there's usually a raging inferno.

Not liking it either. If Matt aspires to be more than a recruiter, seems to me that he would give consideration to any assistant coaching offers that come his way.
 
Hearing Will Wade has a good shot at one of these high major jobs currently open and will make it a priority to get Matt with him wherever he lands.

What's the connection between the 2 of them? Not liking all the Matt chatter. Around here where there's smoke, there's usually a raging inferno.

Not liking it either. If Matt aspires to be more than a recruiter, seems to me that he would give consideration to any assistant coaching offers that come his way.

I think he realizes his limitations & is basically a recruiter. Sounds to me, he wants a pay increase. Let his boss figure that one out & do what he thinks is right if that's the case.
 
Hearing Will Wade has a good shot at one of these high major jobs currently open and will make it a priority to get Matt with him wherever he lands.

What's the connection between the 2 of them? Not liking all the Matt chatter. Around here where there's smoke, there's usually a raging inferno.

Not liking it either. If Matt aspires to be more than a recruiter, seems to me that he would give consideration to any assistant coaching offers that come his way.

I think he realizes his limitations & is basically a recruiter. Sounds to me, he wants a pay increase. Let his boss figure that one out & do what he thinks is right if that's the case.

Could be a sticky situation. Not saying that this is the case here, but as an employer I've been placed in a position where an employee thinks they have all the leverage. And that's never ever the case. I always have a plan B in place if negotiations don't work out. Hope Matt realizes this and expect CM has a plan B just in case.
 
Six weeks ago a well-respected poster mused that Matt Abdelmassih - “[Matt] grew up enamored of everything related to St. John’s”; he said (in the NY Times) of his hiring that “It’s surreal, it’s amazing. Words can’t describe it … [Mullin’s] an absolute legend” - might leave to follow his messiah Will Wade to the ends of the earth and panic ensued. Six weeks later comes another well-respected poster who reports the breaking news that Matt Abdelmassih might leave to follow his messiah Will Wade to the ends of the earth. And panic once again ensues. In six weeks some other well-respected poster will report that ________ is going to __________ and panic will ensue. Because where there's smoke there's fire. Or dry ice. Or a monkey smoking a cigar. The important thing to remember is that the sky be falling, always.
 
Six weeks ago a well-respected poster mused that Matt Abdelmassih - “[Matt] grew up enamored of everything related to St. John’s”; he said (in the NY Times) of his hiring that “It’s surreal, it’s amazing. Words can’t describe it … [Mullin’s] an absolute legend” - might leave to follow his messiah Will Wade to the ends of the earth and panic ensued. Six weeks later comes another well-respected poster who reports the breaking news that Matt Abdelmassih might leave to follow his messiah Will Wade to the ends of the earth. And panic once again ensues. In six weeks some other well-respected poster will report that ________ is going to __________ and panic will ensue. Because where there's smoke there's fire. Or dry ice. Or a monkey smoking a cigar. The important thing to remember is that the sky be falling, always.

You doubting that there's some trouble in paradise, or you just feeling thar our fanbase is overreacting to it?
 
Six weeks ago a well-respected poster mused that Matt Abdelmassih - “[Matt] grew up enamored of everything related to St. John’s”; he said (in the NY Times) of his hiring that “It’s surreal, it’s amazing. Words can’t describe it … [Mullin’s] an absolute legend” - might leave to follow his messiah Will Wade to the ends of the earth and panic ensued. Six weeks later comes another well-respected poster who reports the breaking news that Matt Abdelmassih might leave to follow his messiah Will Wade to the ends of the earth. And panic once again ensues. In six weeks some other well-respected poster will report that ________ is going to __________ and panic will ensue. Because where there's smoke there's fire. Or dry ice. Or a monkey smoking a cigar. .


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