Matt A/Recruiting junkie!

Matt's sense of this year's squad;

"Abdelmassih – ‏@mabde33

Elite length & athleticism and versatility with line ups
8:45 AM - 16 Sep 2016

He, like my guy Happy, also noted Ellison has had a tremendous off season.


I think Ellison's size and skill set blends nicely with some of what the new guys supposedly bring. My only concern with Ellison is if he tries to do too much and is too involved.


I know a lot of fans here have taken to him, but I don't see him as a major contributor as the team improves. I just don't think he is a Big East quality guard on a good team.


He was an under recruited 3* player. No one expects him to be a go-to guy. If he accepts his supporting role he will excel. We will see this year if he plays team ball and is a 4 year player or if he gets added to the potential transfer list.
 
Matt's Freudenberg comment; "Ability to knock down shots, sneaky athleticism, also a very high BBall IQ"
Guess the sneaky athleticism comes from the fact that he is ...
 
So you're voting for Trump? And here I was looking forward to having a pre- or post-game drink with you one day. Looks like I'll have to have that drink with Serhan The Fan instead.

Maher's never been that politically discerning or engaged. All he cares about is who's going to free up the markets for him. ;)
 
Matt's sense of this year's squad;

"Abdelmassih – ‏@mabde33

Elite length & athleticism and versatility with line ups
8:45 AM - 16 Sep 2016

He, like my guy Happy, also noted Ellison has had a tremendous off season.


I think Ellison's size and skill set blends nicely with some of what the new guys supposedly bring. My only concern with Ellison is if he tries to do too much and is too involved.


I know a lot of fans here have taken to him, but I don't see him as a major contributor as the team improves. I just don't think he is a Big East quality guard on a good team.


Frankly the jury is out in my mind as well.


I remain open about Ellison was not overly impressed last yr.Better talent coming in at the pt and 2 G but we shall see what a yr has done
Not counting him out. Like his HT
 
For those of you who continue to defend Lavin's lack of effort, and those of who questioned whether there was much high D1 talent in the tri-state area, Per zags today):


St. John's Stepping Up Recruiting Efforts in New Jersey


St. John's currently has only one player from the Garden State on its roster in sophomore guard Malik Ellison.

But if Chris Mullin and his staff have their way, they will be adding more Jersey Boys in the years to come.

"We take New Jersey very seriously and our presence will be felt," assistant coach Matt Abdelmassih said. "We view it as our backyard. We want our program to get to a point where all the local kids, New York and New Jersey, feel it's their home school."

St. John's hasn't always taken this approach.

Former St. John's coach Steve Lavin hardly recruited New Jersey at all, with the notable exception of former Roselle Catholic point guard Isaiah Briscoe, who ultimately chose Kentucky over the Red Storm.

"Steve Lavin was a California guy," legendary St. Anthony's coach Bob Hurley told me last year. "I don't think if you ask [Cardozo coach] Ron Naclerio or [Christ the King coach] Joe [Arbitello], the guys that are coaching over in the city, how often he was in their gyms, it would probably be similar."

A year ago, St. John's took some initial steps into Jersey when former associate head coach Barry "Slice" Rohrssen began to recruit Daniel Mading at St. Anthony's. (Mading is not currently at St. Anthony's and remains in his native Australia.)

But now, with the Garden State loaded with high-level prospect from the Classes of 2018 and '19, St. John's has taken its recruitment to another level.

On Friday, the first day college coaches could attend high school workouts and begin meeting with prospects, St. John's went three deep at Jersey powers Roselle Catholic and St. Benedict's Prep with Mullin, Abdelmassih and Dan Matic. Their primary target was 6-foot-9 2018 big man Naz Reid.

"I think Coach Mullin is very high on a couple of our guys," RC coach Dave Boff said. "It was great to see him at our first workout and he said he'd be back soon. Our guys are excited to see him in the gym."

On Monday, Mullin and Abdelmassih were at Hudson Catholic, which features three of Reid's Sports U teammates in Luther Muhammad, Jahvon Quinerly and Louis King. (A slew of other schools were also represented, including Villanova, Seton Hall, Rutgers, Cincinnati, Xavier and Cal).

St. John's is particularly focused on the 6-4, 183-pound Muhammad, whom they see as a big guard who could be effective in the rough and tumble Big East.

Asked how hard St. John's was recruiting him, Muhammad said, "Really hard. They want to develop me to get to the max of my potential."

He also mentioned Xavier, Cincinnati and Seton Hall among schools recruiting him hard.

Mullin and Abdelmassih continue to recruit New York City hard, too. They planned to be at Archbishop Molloy on Tuesday for 2018 7-footer Moses Brown, who recently visited campus, and 2019 point guard Cole Anthony, the son of former NBA guard Greg Anthony. (Duke is also expected Tuesday.)

On Thursday, St. John's is expected to hit both Iona Prep for 2019 guard Bryce Wills and the Ranney School in New Jersey for 2019 studs Bryan Antoine and Scottie Lewis, who in June visited the St. John's Elite Camp and later in the summer had both Kentucky's John Calipari and Kansas' Bill Self watching them.

"Matt checks in all the time," Team Rio director Brian Klatsky said earlier this summer of Abdelmassih. "They've been to a bunch of Ranney games. Those guys are touching base every couple days. They're very interested in five or six kids from the team, similar to the Sports U group."

Going forward, St. John's will have to compete not only with Rutgers and Seton Hall, but with national powers, for many of these elite Jersey kids, but it's clear Mullin and his staff have taken their recruiting efforts in the Garden State to another level.

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I have been accused of running my points (usually with jokes) to the ground but JEEZ Monte. That horse is dead! You can stop curb stomping him. Are you afraid he might come back? He is not Freddy Kruger. Honestly Lavin was not nearly as bad as you and some made him out to be and honestly no one thought he did a great job. But to quote Goodfellas "He's gone, and we couldn't do nothing about it".

Now on to new worries like Mullin's ass placement during games, his fancy water and whether ST Jean can diagram better plays :)

I only shared the article, I didn't write it. Although the timing of it was uncanny since I had just come from happy hour and was already pretty charged up. The man is gone, and thankfully "..we couldn't do nothing about it", but the stench lingers on. lol.

The stench lingers on and the Lavin / Fraud apologists somehow blame Chris Mullin for only winning 8 games when he was left with 3 returning bench warmers who averaged a total of 4 points amongst them. SMH.

I would like you to identify a single poster on hear who apologized for Lavin's performance at SJU, or blamed Mullin for winning only 8 games (and 1-17 in conference). Anyone who objectively assessed Lavin's record saw that our program was better under Lavin than under the previous 2 coaches. Anyone who cares to remember knows that at the end of the NR regime, there were very loud whispers, even on here, as to whether we could ever be a winning program again and if any successful coach would want to come to SJU. So, Lavin came here with some questions marks mostly from bitter UCLA fans who expected much more than 5 sweet 16's in 7 seasons.

You want to rip into Lavin because you say he's a phony, lazy, creep, or anything else, and I would say unless you have a close relationship with him, you are only going by something someone closer to the situation told you, or because he simply didn't recruit a good enough roster. I'd agree with the latter rationale, that drives most everyone here who hates Lavin. Trust me, if he had managed 5 sweet 16's in 7 years here and got fired after a losing season, he'd have a ton of support from SJU fans.

Mullin had a deficient roster, and NO ONE, NO ONE, NO ONE expected him to win here with those guys. NO ONE even said he should have won even one more game. But for those who know a little about basketball, his sideline behavior was curious at best, and would allow people to form an opinion that he simply did not coach from the sidelines and delegated to others. It may have not have been possible to win a single additional game, but that doesn't mean that last season (including the Slice $3 million debacle Mullin advocated for) didn't do anything to build confidence that Mullin can run this program. It was a rookie season for a guy who never coached even a single CYO game, coaching at the highest level in NCAA ball - certainly a very, very steep hill to climb.

So, please identify someone who apologizes for Lavin - there aren't a heck of a lot of them here, or realize that the whole Lavin apologist notion is a steaming pile of crap

I would start with you Beast.
This thread is about Matt but you brought up Lavin and compared Matts recruits to Lavins, two of whom you listed were an absolute disgrace to the school and program. We are talking about recruiting but you had to compare with on court performance in an attempt to praise Lavin.
Now you go on to say how Lavin was better than the two prior coaches and perhaps he was but clearly he left the program in much worse shape than Norm Roberts did.
Then you bring up his sweet 16 s at UCLA.
Do you not see how you are constantly praising Lavin ?
And please just for the record I am more than capable of speaking for myself and the fact I don't live in the USA does not mean I am not plugged into the program. Just look at my avitar where my kids are sitting in the SJU dressing room with DLo. You want more pictures with Lavins players , I can send them. One can live 500 miles away and still have proper info. So please don't tell me what I know and what I don't. Speak for yourself.
And yes I know only too well Mullin had a deficient roster , so why do you criticise him ? Do I think he should sit on the scorers table no I do not but I am not going to call him out for it or for deferring to others in team huddles like you do.
reread your posts you are constantly defending or praising Lavin. If you don't see it so be it. But believe me myself and others will never bring up the negatives if posters like yourself don't heap praise on him.

Aubie,

If you want to level a charge, I did not bring up LAvin first in this thread. Monte called him a fraud and I responded briefly at first, until he expanded his vitriol.

You and others are free to think whatever you want, but you probably don't know that the first upwards tick in season ticket sales at SJU after many, many years of decline, is when Lavin signed a contract.


All I said is that at face value, Lavin coached teams were us in the NCAA hunt every season he was on the sidelines. That's the reality. His teams made the tournament twice - that's the reality. He has two of his recruits in the NBA - the first 2 SJU players since Ron Artest - that's a reality. He recruited a number a capable D1 players who competed well in the Big East - that's a reality. And he didn't recruit enough to warrant getting renewed - that's a reality - this he got fired, IMO opinion deservedly so.

I find it really odd that you bash CO and RJ once they panned out to be head cases and a criminal, but when both were thought to be coming back for Mullin's first season, many many fans on here were predicting NCAA bid. Also, if you thought they were a disgrace to the school, why aren't you more vocal (as I was) in saying, I'd rather we didn't recruit players who've committed crimes - something neither RJ or CO did before they came here.

In terms of Lavin, I'm just a counter puncher. Overall, he deserved to be fired, but after the Jarvis mess and 6 horrible seasons of NR ineptitude, he turned the program around faster than anyone believed could be done. I've not once said he shouldn't have been fired, because I'm very comfortable with him being gone. Just because I won't join the mud slingers in defaming Lavin's character, genuineness, or effort isn't being an apologist, it's being objective.

LAST POST FROM ME ON LAVIN IN THIS THREAD

Huh? Beast my original post was about Matt's enthusiasm and work ethic. You brought up Lavin's recruits on page 1, I did not call him a fraud till page 3. Inferring that Matt's kids may not be of the same caliber as some of Lavin's kids is opening the door for some heated discussion. You want to defend Lavin as a person, and/or even as a coach, I get it. I don't agree, but I get it. But how you or anyone can still defend his work ethic is beyond me.
 
Matt's sense of this year's squad;

"Abdelmassih – ‏@mabde33

Elite length & athleticism and versatility with line ups
8:45 AM - 16 Sep 2016

He, like my guy Happy, also noted Ellison has had a tremendous off season.


I think Ellison's size and skill set blends nicely with some of what the new guys supposedly bring. My only concern with Ellison is if he tries to do too much and is too involved.


I know a lot of fans here have taken to him, but I don't see him as a major contributor as the team improves. I just don't think he is a Big East quality guard on a good team.


My biggest concern about him last year was his lack of foot speed. He was constantly getting beat on D. Hoping it was due to his injury and that we see a much speedier Malik this year. If we do, I think he can be a contributor at this level.
 
Matt's sense of this year's squad;

"Abdelmassih – ‏@mabde33

Elite length & athleticism and versatility with line ups
8:45 AM - 16 Sep 2016

He, like my guy Happy, also noted Ellison has had a tremendous off season.


I think Ellison's size and skill set blends nicely with some of what the new guys supposedly bring. My only concern with Ellison is if he tries to do too much and is too involved.


I know a lot of fans here have taken to him, but I don't see him as a major contributor as the team improves. I just don't think he is a Big East quality guard on a good team.


My biggest concern about him last year was his lack of foot speed. He was constantly getting beat on D. Hoping it was due to his injury and that we see a much speedier Malik this year. If we do, I think he can be a contributor at this level.


I don't believe anyone was overly impressed last year but I appreciate his commitment to the program and his effort. Clearly there was room for improvement in many facets of his game but he was a true freshman who had played very little the previous year. Having said that Happy and others claim that he has made the biggest improvement of any of the returning players over the summer which is great to hear. We will need him to contribute as we only have 4 true guards this season and Malik will be counted on on a nightly basis. Given the great amount of talent coming out of Jersey it would be a shame if he left the program before his four years are up. Wishing him all the best.
 
Another thing is our other guards are small. Ellison has nice size. There may be times that could come in handy. He did a nice job guarding Whitehead last SHU game.
 
Another thing is our other guards are small. Ellison has nice size. There may be times that could come in handy. He did a nice job guarding Whitehead last SHU game.

True ... plus he's shown he's very good at taking it to the basket. However, he does need to show improvement on finishing those drives: too many of them came up empty.
 
I love Ellison and I think he will make normal improvement from what was not a bad season. I will take him over Mussini any day of the week. Sons of NBA players will always get better.
 
I love Ellison and I think he will make normal improvement from what was not a bad season. I will take him over Mussini any day of the week. Sons of NBA players will always get better.

Tell that to Marcus and Jeffrey Michael.

Ellison has good size and seems like he has good athleticism. If he has vastly improved his ball handling and shooting he would be a serviceable fourth guard. Unfortunately there is no real 3rd guard on the roster so he and Fred will no doubt see more minutes than they would if they were on a very good D1 team.
 
I love Ellison and I think he will make normal improvement from what was not a bad season. I will take him over Mussini any day of the week. Sons of NBA players will always get better.

Tell that to Marcus and Jeffrey Michael.

Ellison has good size and seems like he has good athleticism. If he has vastly improved his ball handling and shooting he would be a serviceable fourth guard. Unfortunately there is no real 3rd guard on the roster so he and Fred will no doubt see more minutes than they would if they were on a very good D1 team.
Lovett, ,ponds, Mussini, Ellison. That's 4 guards the way I see it, unless you are saying 1 of the four is not a real guard. The problem I see is ponds is only going to be a first year fr. And 3 of our guards are small. I also agree w you regarding Mussini. I am hoping he can come of the bench and provide 3 point shooting and make free throws at the end of a game.
 
I love Ellison and I think he will make normal improvement from what was not a bad season. I will take him over Mussini any day of the week. Sons of NBA players will always get better.

Tell that to Marcus and Jeffrey Michael.

Ellison has good size and seems like he has good athleticism. If he has vastly improved his ball handling and shooting he would be a serviceable fourth guard. Unfortunately there is no real 3rd guard on the roster so he and Fred will no doubt see more minutes than they would if they were on a very good D1 team.
Lovett, ,ponds, Mussini, Ellison. That's 4 guards the way I see it, unless you are saying 1 of the four is not a real guard. The problem I see is ponds is only going to be a first year fr. And 3 of our guards are small. I also agree w you regarding Mussini. I am hoping he can come of the bench and provide 3 point shooting and make free throws at the end of a game.

You are assuming he will be on the bench.Have you heard this from the staff?
 
I love Ellison and I think he will make normal improvement from what was not a bad season. I will take him over Mussini any day of the week. Sons of NBA players will always get better.

Tell that to Marcus and Jeffrey Michael.

Ellison has good size and seems like he has good athleticism. If he has vastly improved his ball handling and shooting he would be a serviceable fourth guard. Unfortunately there is no real 3rd guard on the roster so he and Fred will no doubt see more minutes than they would if they were on a very good D1 team.
Lovett, ,ponds, Mussini, Ellison. That's 4 guards the way I see it, unless you are saying 1 of the four is not a real guard. The problem I see is ponds is only going to be a first year fr. And 3 of our guards are small. I also agree w you regarding Mussini. I am hoping he can come of the bench and provide 3 point shooting and make free throws at the end of a game.[/quote

You are assuming he will be on the bench.Have you heard this from the staff?
Thas just my opinion, I am also referring to mid season lineup. I don't think the staff knows who will start mid season until we play some games. But I am curious about which 1 of our 4 guards Austeer doesn't consider a real guard.
 
I consider neither Ellison or Mussini acceptable first guards off the bench for a good D1 program based on what they showed last year and normal rates of progression. The fact that one of them is assumed to be one of the starting guards tempers my enthusiasm for this season considerably.
 
I love Ellison and I think he will make normal improvement from what was not a bad season. I will take him over Mussini any day of the week. Sons of NBA players will always get better.

Tell that to Marcus and Jeffrey Michael.

Ellison has good size and seems like he has good athleticism. If he has vastly improved his ball handling and shooting he would be a serviceable fourth guard. Unfortunately there is no real 3rd guard on the roster so he and Fred will no doubt see more minutes than they would if they were on a very good D1 team.
Lovett, ,ponds, Mussini, Ellison. That's 4 guards the way I see it, unless you are saying 1 of the four is not a real guard. The problem I see is ponds is only going to be a first year fr. And 3 of our guards are small. I also agree w you regarding Mussini. I am hoping he can come of the bench and provide 3 point shooting and make free throws at the end of a game.[/quote

You are assuming he will be on the bench.Have you heard this from the staff?
Thas just my opinion, I am also referring to mid season lineup. I don't think the staff knows who will start mid season until we play some games. But I am curious about which 1 of our 4 guards Austeer doesn't consider a real guard.

I think they have a pretty good idea who is going to start.But starting does not mean that much. I am still high on mussini. Last yr not playing in a major conf and having to run the team with the maj of the time having the ball in his hand was a enormous amT of pressure. Now playing 2G think we will all be surprised MO
 
I love Ellison and I think he will make normal improvement from what was not a bad season. I will take him over Mussini any day of the week. Sons of NBA players will always get better.

Tell that to Marcus and Jeffrey Michael.

Ellison has good size and seems like he has good athleticism. If he has vastly improved his ball handling and shooting he would be a serviceable fourth guard. Unfortunately there is no real 3rd guard on the roster so he and Fred will no doubt see more minutes than they would if they were on a very good D1 team.
Lovett, ,ponds, Mussini, Ellison. That's 4 guards the way I see it, unless you are saying 1 of the four is not a real guard. The problem I see is ponds is only going to be a first year fr. And 3 of our guards are small. I also agree w you regarding Mussini. I am hoping he can come of the bench and provide 3 point shooting and make free throws at the end of a game.[/quote

You are assuming he will be on the bench.Have you heard this from the staff?
Thas just my opinion, I am also referring to mid season lineup. I don't think the staff knows who will start mid season until we play some games. But I am curious about which 1 of our 4 guards Austeer doesn't consider a real guard.

I think they have a pretty good idea who is going to start.But starting does not mean that much. I am still high on mussini. Last yr not playing in a major conf and having to run the team with the maj of the time having the ball in his hand was a enormous amT of pressure. Now playing 2G think we will all be surprised MO
There are a lot of unknowns. Ellison was injured and Mussini was playing out of position and fatigued. Obviously the staff is observing them during the summer. But , we can only base our observations on last year. I hope both Ellison and Mussini improve a lot. The other 2 guards are only FR. We will see soon enough.
 
I'm excited about the backcourt this year. LoVett will obviously start from day one. It feels like we're gonna really lean on him. I agree that Ellison or Mussini may start at the other spot to open up the season but I'd hope that Ponds is playing the majority of the minutes by the time conference play rolls around.

Now NEXT season might get REALLY interesting. Let's not forget that we've got a guy sitting out the year that was a 5 star recruit who was offered by Arizona, Kansas, UCLA, Louisville, etc. Remember how Justin Simon was percieved just 2 years ago? One quiet year on the bench at Arizona and people forget. He's a big PG who is a tremendous passer and gets to the rim whenever he wants. If he works hard all season and shows up for 2017-2018 ready to play, then there's going to be some for real discussions about starting and playing time.
 
I'm excited about the backcourt this year. LoVett will obviously start from day one. It feels like we're gonna really lean on him. I agree that Ellison or Mussini may start at the other spot to open up the season but I'd hope that Ponds is playing the majority of the minutes by the time conference play rolls around.

Now NEXT season might get REALLY interesting. Let's not forget that we've got a guy sitting out the year that was a 5 star recruit who was offered by Arizona, Kansas, UCLA, Louisville, etc. Remember how Justin Simon was percieved just 2 years ago? One quiet year on the bench at Arizona and people forget. He's a big PG who is a tremendous passer and gets to the rim whenever he wants. If he works hard all season and shows up for 2017-2018 ready to play, then there's going to be some for real discussions about starting and playing time.

I don't think people should judge him based on his time at Zona, nor do I think people should judge him based on his high school rankings and/or who was recruiting him. None of that will matter next year when he suits up for us.
 
Matt;
"Great wk out ahead- stops in Louisiana, St Louis, Chicago, Virginia, Philly, Baltimore, DC, & Fla. Practice around the corner"
 
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