Maybe so, but the fact is our point guard has never played a Division 1, let alone a Big East, game. Granted he (be it LoVett or Ponds) is a big upgrade from last year (then again, who wouldn't be?), but getting us 12-14 more wins than last year "alone" sounds like great expectations.
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Maybe so, but the fact is our point guard has never played a Division 1, let alone a Big East, game. Granted he (be it LoVett or Ponds) is a big upgrade from last year (then again, who wouldn't be?), but getting us 12-14 more wins than last year "alone" sounds like great expectations.
Haaa. Trust me you will find me a pretty reasonable republican. I hated GWB and never voted for him. Plus Nathalie is voting for Hillary so the Maher household votes balance each other out. I'm not a Trump fanatic or anything and I actually disagree with him on A LOT of things. I just thing the republican party needs to change ( not necessarily in the vision of Trump ) but I honestly feel he would end up cutting a lot of deals with democrats if he got elected and most of his crazy stuff won't get passed anyway. By and large I can't stand a lot of republicans and democrats in washington but I'm generally harder on my own party because I'd expect more of myself in life instead of just blaming everyone else and think fiscal conservatism or at least a semblance of it went out the window the day GWB got electedYes because Logen is voting Trump like me ( which is why we might disagree in Mullin but I still like him plus he is a met fan I us met fans need other people to share our consent angst ) but yeah it couldn't be Mullins fault because if they waited to come here legally the accident wouldn't have happenedwe all know how I felt about the scorers table but I'm being 100% honest ( whether it's right or wrong ) that if Mullin even gave the impression he was coaching last year on the sidelines that there would be a lot less criticism from people. A LOT of people noticed and I doubt it was all just redmen.com lurkers who hang on every mjmaherjr word
I have been accused of running my points (usually with jokes) to the ground but JEEZ Monte. That horse is dead! You can stop curb stomping him. Are you afraid he might come back? He is not Freddy Kruger. Honestly Lavin was not nearly as bad as you and some made him out to be and honestly no one thought he did a great job. But to quote Goodfellas "He's gone, and we couldn't do nothing about it".
Now on to new worries like Mullin's ass placement during games, his fancy water and whether ST Jean can diagram better plays
I only shared the article, I didn't write it. Although the timing of it was uncanny since I had just come from happy hour and was already pretty charged up. The man is gone, and thankfully "..we couldn't do nothing about it", but the stench lingers on. lol.
The stench lingers on and the Lavin / Fraud apologists somehow blame Chris Mullin for only winning 8 games when he was left with 3 returning bench warmers who averaged a total of 4 points amongst them. SMH.
Hard to understand but a lot more than just Lavin lovers blame Mullin
With all due respect, that is complete and utter nonsense. Yes, there were clearly times Mullin deferred in huddles, especially to St. Jean; as a leader of a TEAM that is his prerogative. As someone who never coached A MINUTE before last year I think it was a very intelligent thing to defer to those more experienced at times.
Hmmm. The altitude here in Quito is messing with my mind. How many minutes had St Jean coached before that made it such a brilliant decision by Mullin deferring to him ?
You can say it's nonsense but it's not like Mullin was deferring to PJ Carlesimo.
Mullin deferring to St Jean is like a Mensa deferring to a well you get my point.( and it' not a knock on St Jean because this is Chris freaking Mullin (
Here is a fact and it doesn't really matter if you believe it or not because with all due respect Mullin could run a red light and run over a family crossing the street and you would blame the family for living in the United States but if Mullin ran around the sidelines like St Jean virtually no-one would be saying anything about last year. That's a fact because I know virtually every poster personally on this board who had problems with last year and that was a common denominator
Would that family happen to be here illegally?
So you're voting for Trump? And here I was looking forward to having a pre- or post-game drink with you one day. Looks like I'll have to have that drink with Serhan The Fan instead.
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We are very lucky to have the little cocky fella! We have not been involved with as many high profile recruits since, well, never! He and Mullin are gym rats and when Mullin proves he can win games then watch out! The talent level has doubled from last year and last year's frosh are battle tested. I would not be suprised if we also double our wins. I just wish this program had more stability. Will Mitch Richmond make any difference and is he interested? WHY can't St. John's find an athletic director when a dozen have hired by other D1 schools this past year? Why can't we guarantee students who show up for tickets on game nights at Carnesecca free admission and only charge them for MSG packages so every home game in Jamaica starts to look like Duke?
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Haaa. Trust me you will find me a pretty reasonable republican. I hated GWB and never voted for him. Plus Nathalie is voting for Hillary so the Maher household votes balance each other out. I'm not a Trump fanatic or anything and I actually disagree with him on A LOT of things. I just thing the republican party needs to change ( not necessarily in the vision of Trump ) but I honestly feel he would end up cutting a lot of deals with democrats if he got elected and most of his crazy stuff won't get passed anyway. By and large I can't stand a lot of republicans and democrats in washington but I'm generally harder on my own party because I'd expect more of myself in life instead of just blaming everyone else and think fiscal conservatism or at least a semblance of it went out the window the day GWB got electedYes because Logen is voting Trump like me ( which is why we might disagree in Mullin but I still like him plus he is a met fan I us met fans need other people to share our consent angst ) but yeah it couldn't be Mullins fault because if they waited to come here legally the accident wouldn't have happenedwe all know how I felt about the scorers table but I'm being 100% honest ( whether it's right or wrong ) that if Mullin even gave the impression he was coaching last year on the sidelines that there would be a lot less criticism from people. A LOT of people noticed and I doubt it was all just redmen.com lurkers who hang on every mjmaherjr word
I have been accused of running my points (usually with jokes) to the ground but JEEZ Monte. That horse is dead! You can stop curb stomping him. Are you afraid he might come back? He is not Freddy Kruger. Honestly Lavin was not nearly as bad as you and some made him out to be and honestly no one thought he did a great job. But to quote Goodfellas "He's gone, and we couldn't do nothing about it".
Now on to new worries like Mullin's ass placement during games, his fancy water and whether ST Jean can diagram better plays
I only shared the article, I didn't write it. Although the timing of it was uncanny since I had just come from happy hour and was already pretty charged up. The man is gone, and thankfully "..we couldn't do nothing about it", but the stench lingers on. lol.
The stench lingers on and the Lavin / Fraud apologists somehow blame Chris Mullin for only winning 8 games when he was left with 3 returning bench warmers who averaged a total of 4 points amongst them. SMH.
Hard to understand but a lot more than just Lavin lovers blame Mullin
With all due respect, that is complete and utter nonsense. Yes, there were clearly times Mullin deferred in huddles, especially to St. Jean; as a leader of a TEAM that is his prerogative. As someone who never coached A MINUTE before last year I think it was a very intelligent thing to defer to those more experienced at times.
Hmmm. The altitude here in Quito is messing with my mind. How many minutes had St Jean coached before that made it such a brilliant decision by Mullin deferring to him ?
You can say it's nonsense but it's not like Mullin was deferring to PJ Carlesimo.
Mullin deferring to St Jean is like a Mensa deferring to a well you get my point.( and it' not a knock on St Jean because this is Chris freaking Mullin (
Here is a fact and it doesn't really matter if you believe it or not because with all due respect Mullin could run a red light and run over a family crossing the street and you would blame the family for living in the United States but if Mullin ran around the sidelines like St Jean virtually no-one would be saying anything about last year. That's a fact because I know virtually every poster personally on this board who had problems with last year and that was a common denominator
Would that family happen to be here illegally?
So you're voting for Trump? And here I was looking forward to having a pre- or post-game drink with you one day. Looks like I'll have to have that drink with Serhan The Fan instead.
We live in NY. Our vote hardly matters.
Haaa. Trust me you will find me a pretty reasonable republican. I hated GWB and never voted for him. Plus Nathalie is voting for Hillary so the Maher household votes balance each other out. I'm not a Trump fanatic or anything and I actually disagree with him on A LOT of things. I just thing the republican party needs to change ( not necessarily in the vision of Trump ) but I honestly feel he would end up cutting a lot of deals with democrats if he got elected and most of his crazy stuff won't get passed anyway. By and large I can't stand a lot of republicans and democrats in washington but I'm generally harder on my own party because I'd expect more of myself in life instead of just blaming everyone else and think fiscal conservatism or at least a semblance of it went out the window the day GWB got elected[/quote]Yes because Logen is voting Trump like me ( which is why we might disagree in Mullin but I still like him plus he is a met fan I us met fans need other people to share our consent angst ) but yeah it couldn't be Mullins fault because if they waited to come here legally the accident wouldn't have happened
So you're voting for Trump? And here I was looking forward to having a pre- or post-game drink with you one day. Looks like I'll have to have that drink with Serhan The Fan instead.
Well, if she's available, Nathalie is more than welcome to join me and Serhan for drinks ... although I'm hearing rumors he's a key member of Trump's campaign committee.
I have been accused of running my points (usually with jokes) to the ground but JEEZ Monte. That horse is dead! You can stop curb stomping him. Are you afraid he might come back? He is not Freddy Kruger. Honestly Lavin was not nearly as bad as you and some made him out to be and honestly no one thought he did a great job. But to quote Goodfellas "He's gone, and we couldn't do nothing about it".
Now on to new worries like Mullin's ass placement during games, his fancy water and whether ST Jean can diagram better plays
I only shared the article, I didn't write it. Although the timing of it was uncanny since I had just come from happy hour and was already pretty charged up. The man is gone, and thankfully "..we couldn't do nothing about it", but the stench lingers on. lol.
The stench lingers on and the Lavin / Fraud apologists somehow blame Chris Mullin for only winning 8 games when he was left with 3 returning bench warmers who averaged a total of 4 points amongst them. SMH.
I would like you to identify a single poster on hear who apologized for Lavin's performance at SJU, or blamed Mullin for winning only 8 games (and 1-17 in conference). Anyone who objectively assessed Lavin's record saw that our program was better under Lavin than under the previous 2 coaches. Anyone who cares to remember knows that at the end of the NR regime, there were very loud whispers, even on here, as to whether we could ever be a winning program again and if any successful coach would want to come to SJU. So, Lavin came here with some questions marks mostly from bitter UCLA fans who expected much more than 5 sweet 16's in 7 seasons.
You want to rip into Lavin because you say he's a phony, lazy, creep, or anything else, and I would say unless you have a close relationship with him, you are only going by something someone closer to the situation told you, or because he simply didn't recruit a good enough roster. I'd agree with the latter rationale, that drives most everyone here who hates Lavin. Trust me, if he had managed 5 sweet 16's in 7 years here and got fired after a losing season, he'd have a ton of support from SJU fans.
Mullin had a deficient roster, and NO ONE, NO ONE, NO ONE expected him to win here with those guys. NO ONE even said he should have won even one more game. But for those who know a little about basketball, his sideline behavior was curious at best, and would allow people to form an opinion that he simply did not coach from the sidelines and delegated to others. It may have not have been possible to win a single additional game, but that doesn't mean that last season (including the Slice $3 million debacle Mullin advocated for) didn't do anything to build confidence that Mullin can run this program. It was a rookie season for a guy who never coached even a single CYO game, coaching at the highest level in NCAA ball - certainly a very, very steep hill to climb.
So, please identify someone who apologizes for Lavin - there aren't a heck of a lot of them here, or realize that the whole Lavin apologist notion is a steaming pile of crap
I would start with you Beast.
This thread is about Matt but you brought up Lavin and compared Matts recruits to Lavins, two of whom you listed were an absolute disgrace to the school and program. We are talking about recruiting but you had to compare with on court performance in an attempt to praise Lavin.
Now you go on to say how Lavin was better than the two prior coaches and perhaps he was but clearly he left the program in much worse shape than Norm Roberts did.
Then you bring up his sweet 16 s at UCLA.
Do you not see how you are constantly praising Lavin ?
And please just for the record I am more than capable of speaking for myself and the fact I don't live in the USA does not mean I am not plugged into the program. Just look at my avitar where my kids are sitting in the SJU dressing room with DLo. You want more pictures with Lavins players , I can send them. One can live 500 miles away and still have proper info. So please don't tell me what I know and what I don't. Speak for yourself.
And yes I know only too well Mullin had a deficient roster , so why do you criticise him ? Do I think he should sit on the scorers table no I do not but I am not going to call him out for it or for deferring to others in team huddles like you do.
reread your posts you are constantly defending or praising Lavin. If you don't see it so be it. But believe me myself and others will never bring up the negatives if posters like yourself don't heap praise on him.
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Sometimes 4 more win can be a bad thing. See Mike Jarvis NIT title
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I have been accused of running my points (usually with jokes) to the ground but JEEZ Monte. That horse is dead! You can stop curb stomping him. Are you afraid he might come back? He is not Freddy Kruger. Honestly Lavin was not nearly as bad as you and some made him out to be and honestly no one thought he did a great job. But to quote Goodfellas "He's gone, and we couldn't do nothing about it".
Now on to new worries like Mullin's ass placement during games, his fancy water and whether ST Jean can diagram better plays
I only shared the article, I didn't write it. Although the timing of it was uncanny since I had just come from happy hour and was already pretty charged up. The man is gone, and thankfully "..we couldn't do nothing about it", but the stench lingers on. lol.
The stench lingers on and the Lavin / Fraud apologists somehow blame Chris Mullin for only winning 8 games when he was left with 3 returning bench warmers who averaged a total of 4 points amongst them. SMH.
I would like you to identify a single poster on hear who apologized for Lavin's performance at SJU, or blamed Mullin for winning only 8 games (and 1-17 in conference). Anyone who objectively assessed Lavin's record saw that our program was better under Lavin than under the previous 2 coaches. Anyone who cares to remember knows that at the end of the NR regime, there were very loud whispers, even on here, as to whether we could ever be a winning program again and if any successful coach would want to come to SJU. So, Lavin came here with some questions marks mostly from bitter UCLA fans who expected much more than 5 sweet 16's in 7 seasons.
You want to rip into Lavin because you say he's a phony, lazy, creep, or anything else, and I would say unless you have a close relationship with him, you are only going by something someone closer to the situation told you, or because he simply didn't recruit a good enough roster. I'd agree with the latter rationale, that drives most everyone here who hates Lavin. Trust me, if he had managed 5 sweet 16's in 7 years here and got fired after a losing season, he'd have a ton of support from SJU fans.
Mullin had a deficient roster, and NO ONE, NO ONE, NO ONE expected him to win here with those guys. NO ONE even said he should have won even one more game. But for those who know a little about basketball, his sideline behavior was curious at best, and would allow people to form an opinion that he simply did not coach from the sidelines and delegated to others. It may have not have been possible to win a single additional game, but that doesn't mean that last season (including the Slice $3 million debacle Mullin advocated for) didn't do anything to build confidence that Mullin can run this program. It was a rookie season for a guy who never coached even a single CYO game, coaching at the highest level in NCAA ball - certainly a very, very steep hill to climb.
So, please identify someone who apologizes for Lavin - there aren't a heck of a lot of them here, or realize that the whole Lavin apologist notion is a steaming pile of crap
I would start with you Beast.
This thread is about Matt but you brought up Lavin and compared Matts recruits to Lavins, two of whom you listed were an absolute disgrace to the school and program. We are talking about recruiting but you had to compare with on court performance in an attempt to praise Lavin.
Now you go on to say how Lavin was better than the two prior coaches and perhaps he was but clearly he left the program in much worse shape than Norm Roberts did.
Then you bring up his sweet 16 s at UCLA.
Do you not see how you are constantly praising Lavin ?
And please just for the record I am more than capable of speaking for myself and the fact I don't live in the USA does not mean I am not plugged into the program. Just look at my avitar where my kids are sitting in the SJU dressing room with DLo. You want more pictures with Lavins players , I can send them. One can live 500 miles away and still have proper info. So please don't tell me what I know and what I don't. Speak for yourself.
And yes I know only too well Mullin had a deficient roster , so why do you criticise him ? Do I think he should sit on the scorers table no I do not but I am not going to call him out for it or for deferring to others in team huddles like you do.
reread your posts you are constantly defending or praising Lavin. If you don't see it so be it. But believe me myself and others will never bring up the negatives if posters like yourself don't heap praise on him.
Aubie,
If you want to level a charge, I did not bring up LAvin first in this thread. Monte called him a fraud and I responded briefly at first, until he expanded his vitriol.
You and others are free to think whatever you want, but you probably don't know that the first upwards tick in season ticket sales at SJU after many, many years of decline, is when Lavin signed a contract.
All I said is that at face value, Lavin coached teams were us in the NCAA hunt every season he was on the sidelines. That's the reality. His teams made the tournament twice - that's the reality. He has two of his recruits in the NBA - the first 2 SJU players since Ron Artest - that's a reality. He recruited a number a capable D1 players who competed well in the Big East - that's a reality. And he didn't recruit enough to warrant getting renewed - that's a reality - this he got fired, IMO opinion deservedly so.
I find it really odd that you bash CO and RJ once they panned out to be head cases and a criminal, but when both were thought to be coming back for Mullin's first season, many many fans on here were predicting NCAA bid. Also, if you thought they were a disgrace to the school, why aren't you more vocal (as I was) in saying, I'd rather we didn't recruit players who've committed crimes - something neither RJ or CO did before they came here.
In terms of Lavin, I'm just a counter puncher. Overall, he deserved to be fired, but after the Jarvis mess and 6 horrible seasons of NR ineptitude, he turned the program around faster than anyone believed could be done. I've not once said he shouldn't have been fired, because I'm very comfortable with him being gone. Just because I won't join the mud slingers in defaming Lavin's character, genuineness, or effort isn't being an apologist, it's being objective.
LAST POST FROM ME ON LAVIN IN THIS THREAD
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If Mullin never diagrams one play and we lose 20 games every year I will still be glad he replaced Lavin. I am also truly baffled by the Lavin hatred on this board. Considering the two coaches before him it seems weirdly misplaced.
Oh man that NIT. I was happy to beat gtown since I had a nice bet with a gtown grad but literally the next day you just had a pit in your stomach knowing we had no hope and were going to suck the following year
Sometimes 4 more wind can be a bad thing. See Mike Jarvis NIT title
Matt's sense of this year's squad;
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Elite length & athleticism and versatility with line ups …
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He, like my guy Happy, also noted Ellison has had a tremendous off season.
Lastly Matt noted Ponds will play some PG this year, which obviously makes sense
"Abdelmassih – @mabde33
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He, like my guy Happy, also noted Ellison has had a tremendous off season.
Lastly Matt noted Ponds will play some PG this year, which obviously makes sense
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He's also a twitter junkie
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I think Ellison's size and skill set blends nicely with some of what the new guys supposedly bring. My only concern with Ellison is if he tries to do too much and is too involved.
Ellison has good year and everyone should be putting the name happy in their screen names for a week because while a lot of people were bashing the kid Happy was the 1st one to say he was playing great and improved against his teammates over the summer
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I know a lot of fans here have taken to him, but I don't see him as a major contributor as the team improves. I just don't think he is a Big East quality guard on a good team.
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Gotta love Matt's unabashed rooting and enthusiasm.
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I think Justin Simon is a better version of him but for this year he serves a purpose in that he is the only guard on the team that would meet the height requirement to ride the Kingda Ka at Great Adventure