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[quote="Knight" post=273210][quote="fun" post=273203]St John's Marquette recaphttp://www.bigeastboards.com/[/quote]

I was reading your piece on the 2nd Marquette game and stopped when I came to

"In fact I like to think that we are kindred spirits he and I, sharing as we do a healthy contempt for white people and the US government."

I stopped reading. Enough said.[/quote]

That's a shame, the next paragraph was much worse.
 
[quote="we are sju" post=273207][quote="Paultzman" post=273206][quote="we are sju" post=273205][quote="Class of 72" post=273197][quote="Paultzman" post=273189][quote="Ray Morgan" post=273188]This was a revenge game at home for a team fighting for an NCAA berth on Al McGuire night. For all we know it was senior night too and free cheese night. We shouldn't be surprised that Marquette played extremely well and was really motivated for this game. Although our current roster can hang and even beat just about anybody, I would love to see us get an impact recruit for next year. Otherwise, I'm not expecting big things as 3 point shooting will still be just so so, and no indication any of our recruits have a post game.[/quote]

Late in the game re recruiting game re getting impact recruit, unless Matt comes up with grad transfer big, which seems to be present strategy. Not sure why they don't cast wider ne with a solid Juco player. We'll see how things break after the season. I think adding a HS role player and the grad noted would be it, but hope to be surprised.[/quote]

Earlier before the surprising 4 game win streak I said that Ja'Raan Brooks would be Mullin’s Briscoe because he was coming, he was coming and poof, he's gone. Although we are adding great depth for next season which I am very happy about most need to be realistic and realize that if Ponds leaves the team has no star power. I'm not sure Brooks would have been a go-to worthy player but not one player who is returning or coming is that player at the moment.
Regarding your "too late in the game" observation the point of matter is that in our third recruiting cycle we ARE still late in the game. Shamorie wanted to stay home and play in front of family and friends but where are we with all the other 4 star plus recruits in the tri-state area? What was perceived as a dynamic duo of recruiting has been diminished to a guy who specialized in transfers and JCs at Iowa State. As anyone can see with the recruitment of Dixon, Owens, Clark, Ahmed, Keita, Simon and now maybe a grad transfer Matt getting PREP 4 or 5 star players is always going to be a long shot. Nice to see Mullin and St. Jean making west coast trips to see Brown but I'm not convinced those trips are any more intensive recruiting wise than Lavin's when he combined half-hearted recruiting trips with visits to family and friends. In New York City St. John's needs a budding star on the team to get the limited media attention to attract other than hard core fans. Matt Abdelmassih is not the man to get that player in my opinion. At least not working alone.[/quote]

While everyone has beating the we need a bench coach drum, I would rather another recruiter.[/quote]

Agree we should not depend solely on Matt and it should be noted some assistant coaches at solid programs perform both functions.[/quote]

Defined roles are all the rage.
Mullin yells at the refs
Matt A recruits transfers
ST Jean uses dry board
Mitch reminisces with Mullin about RUN TMC
This way it ensures no more cock fights like what happened between Matt and Slice.[/quote] C'mon now.. who doesn't enjoy a good cock fight??
 
[quote="Knight" post=273210][quote="fun" post=273203]St John's Marquette recaphttp://www.bigeastboards.com/[/quote]

I was reading your piece on the 2nd Marquette game and stopped when I came to

"In fact I like to think that we are kindred spirits he and I, sharing as we do a healthy contempt for white people and the US government."

I stopped reading. Enough said.[/quote]

I basically look at the babe pictures. But credit to Fun for noticing how "Lavinesque" Mullin actually is and that took a lot from a Mullin zombie to admit. Then there was the absurdity of the statement " they win two and they’re in the NIT, which is just about where I figure they’d be in year three of the five year rebuild."
Absurd because the loss against Marquette without their top player likely closed the door on the NIT and the fact that he finds it acceptable to pay a rookie "I don't do white boards" coach $2 million and to need FIVE FCKG years to turn a mediocre program into a less mediocre program, said program being actually more mediocre than the previous one where we went to post season every year the last mediocre coach was the coach,i.e. 2 NCAA and 2 NITs.
 
Defined roles are all the rage.
Mullin yells at the refs
Matt A recruits transfers
ST Jean uses dry board
Mitch reminisces with Mullin about RUN TMC
This way it ensures no more cock fights like what happened between Matt and Slice.[/quote]
we are sju is that really you? If so your best post eva! But just in case having a hostage negotiating team sent to both your house and place of business.
 
[quote="SI1996" post=273221][quote="we are sju" post=273207][quote="Paultzman" post=273206][quote="we are sju" post=273205][quote="Class of 72" post=273197][quote="Paultzman" post=273189][quote="Ray Morgan" post=273188]This was a revenge game at home for a team fighting for an NCAA berth on Al McGuire night. For all we know it was senior night too and free cheese night. We shouldn't be surprised that Marquette played extremely well and was really motivated for this game. Although our current roster can hang and even beat just about anybody, I would love to see us get an impact recruit for next year. Otherwise, I'm not expecting big things as 3 point shooting will still be just so so, and no indication any of our recruits have a post game.[/quote]

Late in the game re recruiting game re getting impact recruit, unless Matt comes up with grad transfer big, which seems to be present strategy. Not sure why they don't cast wider ne with a solid Juco player. We'll see how things break after the season. I think adding a HS role player and the grad noted would be it, but hope to be surprised.[/quote]

Earlier before the surprising 4 game win streak I said that Ja'Raan Brooks would be Mullin’s Briscoe because he was coming, he was coming and poof, he's gone. Although we are adding great depth for next season which I am very happy about most need to be realistic and realize that if Ponds leaves the team has no star power. I'm not sure Brooks would have been a go-to worthy player but not one player who is returning or coming is that player at the moment.
Regarding your "too late in the game" observation the point of matter is that in our third recruiting cycle we ARE still late in the game. Shamorie wanted to stay home and play in front of family and friends but where are we with all the other 4 star plus recruits in the tri-state area? What was perceived as a dynamic duo of recruiting has been diminished to a guy who specialized in transfers and JCs at Iowa State. As anyone can see with the recruitment of Dixon, Owens, Clark, Ahmed, Keita, Simon and now maybe a grad transfer Matt getting PREP 4 or 5 star players is always going to be a long shot. Nice to see Mullin and St. Jean making west coast trips to see Brown but I'm not convinced those trips are any more intensive recruiting wise than Lavin's when he combined half-hearted recruiting trips with visits to family and friends. In New York City St. John's needs a budding star on the team to get the limited media attention to attract other than hard core fans. Matt Abdelmassih is not the man to get that player in my opinion. At least not working alone.[/quote]

While everyone has beating the we need a bench coach drum, I would rather another recruiter.[/quote]

Agree we should not depend solely on Matt and it should be noted some assistant coaches at solid programs perform both functions.[/quote]

Defined roles are all the rage.
Mullin yells at the refs
Matt A recruits transfers
ST Jean uses dry board
Mitch reminisces with Mullin about RUN TMC
This way it ensures no more cock fights like what happened between Matt and Slice.[/quote] C'mon now.. who doesn't enjoy a good cock fight??[/quote] Ellen degeneres ?
 
If there is a silver lining to the loss to Marquette at least for some posters is that they no longer have to continue their superstition of not watching our games so as not to jinx them. On second thought...:unsure:
 
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[quote="Paultzman" post=273206][quote="we are sju" post=273205][quote="Class of 72" post=273197][quote="Paultzman" post=273189][quote="Ray Morgan" post=273188]This was a revenge game at home for a team fighting for an NCAA berth on Al McGuire night. For all we know it was senior night too and free cheese night. We shouldn't be surprised that Marquette played extremely well and was really motivated for this game. Although our current roster can hang and even beat just about anybody, I would love to see us get an impact recruit for next year. Otherwise, I'm not expecting big things as 3 point shooting will still be just so so, and no indication any of our recruits have a post game.[/quote]

Late in the game re recruiting game re getting impact recruit, unless Matt comes up with grad transfer big, which seems to be present strategy. Not sure why they don't cast wider ne with a solid Juco player. We'll see how things break after the season. I think adding a HS role player and the grad noted would be it, but hope to be surprised.[/quote]

Earlier before the surprising 4 game win streak I said that Ja'Raan Brooks would be Mullin’s Briscoe because he was coming, he was coming and poof, he's gone. Although we are adding great depth for next season which I am very happy about most need to be realistic and realize that if Ponds leaves the team has no star power. I'm not sure Brooks would have been a go-to worthy player but not one player who is returning or coming is that player at the moment.
Regarding your "too late in the game" observation the point of matter is that in our third recruiting cycle we ARE still late in the game. Shamorie wanted to stay home and play in front of family and friends but where are we with all the other 4 star plus recruits in the tri-state area? What was perceived as a dynamic duo of recruiting has been diminished to a guy who specialized in transfers and JCs at Iowa State. As anyone can see with the recruitment of Dixon, Owens, Clark, Ahmed, Keita, Simon and now maybe a grad transfer Matt getting PREP 4 or 5 star players is always going to be a long shot. Nice to see Mullin and St. Jean making west coast trips to see Brown but I'm not convinced those trips are any more intensive recruiting wise than Lavin's when he combined half-hearted recruiting trips with visits to family and friends. In New York City St. John's needs a budding star on the team to get the limited media attention to attract other than hard core fans. Matt Abdelmassih is not the man to get that player in my opinion. At least not working alone.[/quote]

While everyone has beating the we need a bench coach drum, I would rather another recruiter.[/quote]

Agree we should not depend solely on Matt and it should be noted some assistant coaches at solid programs perform both functions.[/quote] It should also be noted that head coaches at solid programs also recruit.
 
Recruiting is hard and often dirty. (sounds like a porno title) I don't expect us to get Hamburger all Americans coming off the bench. But by third year you would think you would have 7 guys you are comfortable and confident to play. That is not a lot to ask. Now the buck stops with Mullin, but since Matt is primary recruiter I don't get how he has pretty much been Teflon on these boards?
 
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[quote="we are sju" post=273233]But by third year you would think you would have 7 guys you are comfortable and confident to play. That is not a lot to ask. Now the buck stops with Mullin, but since Matt is primary recruiter I don't get how he has pretty much been Teflon on these boards?[/quote]

I get it. They had seven guys before your favorite player Lovett quit - and maybe eight before Diakite tore up his leg and maybe nine before Wilson left and maybe ten before Zach Brown started identifying as a woman. That taken into account, now they have six. Question: when was the last time SJ had this sort of sustained recruiting success? Lavin had about one good year, Norm did well with the dregs that were left to him but the dregs are the dregs, and Jarvis was a clown. I think you have to go back to Fran and Fran still had the stink of Lou's coat tails to follow.

There are two aspects to recruiting: recognizing talent and recognizing character. Good teams don't have to worry about the latter, because they can pay players who don't go to class and no one cares and if something untoward happens they can just pay the next guy. Bad teams don't have the luxury of worrying about it. If you think Matt doesn't recognize the former we can agree to disagree.
 
[quote="fun" post=273243][quote="we are sju" post=273233]But by third year you would think you would have 7 guys you are comfortable and confident to play. That is not a lot to ask. Now the buck stops with Mullin, but since Matt is primary recruiter I don't get how he has pretty much been Teflon on these boards?[/quote]

I get it. They had seven guys before your favorite player Lovett quit - and maybe eight before Diakite tore up his leg and maybe nine before Wilson left and maybe ten before Zach Brown started identifying as a woman. That taken into account, now they have six. Question: when was the last time SJ had this sort of sustained recruiting success? Lavin had about one good year, Norm did well with the dregs that were left to him but the dregs are the dregs, and Jarvis was a clown. I think you have to go back to Fran and Fran still had the stink of Lou's coat tails to follow.

There are two aspects to recruiting: recognizing talent and recognizing character. Good teams don't have to worry about the latter, because they can pay players who don't go to class and no one cares and if something untoward happens they can just pay the next guy. Bad teams don't have the luxury of worrying about it. If you think Matt doesn't recognize the former we can agree to disagree.[/quote]

I understand it is hard to get guys here and I understand taking chances on the Jordan's, Lovett's, Brown's and Wilson's. Just seems like we put all of our eggs in those guys. Marvin Clark is a solid player/guy. Couple more of those solid guys should be sprinkled in. Except maybe get them as HS kids so you have them for 4 years.
 
[quote="we are sju" post=273248][quote="fun" post=273243][quote="we are sju" post=273233]But by third year you would think you would have 7 guys you are comfortable and confident to play. That is not a lot to ask. Now the buck stops with Mullin, but since Matt is primary recruiter I don't get how he has pretty much been Teflon on these boards?[/quote]

I get it. They had seven guys before your favorite player Lovett quit - and maybe eight before Diakite tore up his leg and maybe nine before Wilson left and maybe ten before Zach Brown started identifying as a woman. That taken into account, now they have six. Question: when was the last time SJ had this sort of sustained recruiting success? Lavin had about one good year, Norm did well with the dregs that were left to him but the dregs are the dregs, and Jarvis was a clown. I think you have to go back to Fran and Fran still had the stink of Lou's coat tails to follow.

There are two aspects to recruiting: recognizing talent and recognizing character. Good teams don't have to worry about the latter, because they can pay players who don't go to class and no one cares and if something untoward happens they can just pay the next guy. Bad teams don't have the luxury of worrying about it. If you think Matt doesn't recognize the former we can agree to disagree.[/quote]

I understand it is hard to get guys here and I understand taking chances on the Jordan's, Lovett's, Brown's and Wilson's. Just seems like we put all of our eggs in those guys. Marvin Clark is a solid player/guy. Couple more of those solid guys should be sprinkled in. Except maybe get them as HS kids so you have them for 4 years.[/quote]

How long has MA been at SJU that he's been able to develop relationships with HS players? Lou started recruiting Mullin(s) when he was in the fifth grade and despite that he was within a C hair of going to dook. No denying that there are issues and lots of them but laying them at Matt's feet is I think unfair.
 
[quote="fun" post=273250][quote="we are sju" post=273248][quote="fun" post=273243][quote="we are sju" post=273233]But by third year you would think you would have 7 guys you are comfortable and confident to play. That is not a lot to ask. Now the buck stops with Mullin, but since Matt is primary recruiter I don't get how he has pretty much been Teflon on these boards?[/quote]

I get it. They had seven guys before your favorite player Lovett quit - and maybe eight before Diakite tore up his leg and maybe nine before Wilson left and maybe ten before Zach Brown started identifying as a woman. That taken into account, now they have six. Question: when was the last time SJ had this sort of sustained recruiting success? Lavin had about one good year, Norm did well with the dregs that were left to him but the dregs are the dregs, and Jarvis was a clown. I think you have to go back to Fran and Fran still had the stink of Lou's coat tails to follow.

There are two aspects to recruiting: recognizing talent and recognizing character. Good teams don't have to worry about the latter, because they can pay players who don't go to class and no one cares and if something untoward happens they can just pay the next guy. Bad teams don't have the luxury of worrying about it. If you think Matt doesn't recognize the former we can agree to disagree.[/quote]

I understand it is hard to get guys here and I understand taking chances on the Jordan's, Lovett's, Brown's and Wilson's. Just seems like we put all of our eggs in those guys. Marvin Clark is a solid player/guy. Couple more of those solid guys should be sprinkled in. Except maybe get them as HS kids so you have them for 4 years.[/quote]

How long has MA been at SJU that he's been able to develop relationships with HS players? Lou started recruiting Mullin(s) when he was in the fifth grade and despite that he was within a C hair of going to dook. No denying that there are issues and lots of them but laying them at Matt's feet is I think unfair.[/quote]

This May will be 3 years since Matt started pursuing sophomores that are now seniors. That is as long as most recruiters get to identify sophomore talent. If he were successful locally we would have gotten November LOI's. Granted Yakwe was local but he was originally recruited by your friend Steve Lavin and Tony Chiles. So was Marcus LoVett for that matter. The chickens will come home to roost this coming Fall. There are some very high profile local area players we have offered. If we close on them he will gain some local credibility. As of now though transfers unhappy at their first choice dream schools are his specialty. They are decent players.. I give him credit for that but he signed two kids from the south via a Twitter relationship and miscalculated Brooks and Brown. Trimble, Simon, Clark, Owens, Darien Williams , Mikey Dixon, and Keita make up the bulk of the team and none were recruited by St. John's initially by any coach past or present. Five of those players sat out a year. That is not a recipe for recruiting success. Losing the players he was involved in recruiting like Mussini, Freudenberg, Sima, Williams to date also doesn't add to any sustained recruiting success or credibility.
Finally, laying it all on Matt's feet is unfair so I agree that the guy that made that situation what it is likely is the one to blame. We are the only school in the country paying half a million dollars per year to a coach NOT TO DO HIS JOB!
 
[quote="fun" post=273250][quote="we are sju" post=273248][quote="fun" post=273243][quote="we are sju" post=273233]But by third year you would think you would have 7 guys you are comfortable and confident to play. That is not a lot to ask. Now the buck stops with Mullin, but since Matt is primary recruiter I don't get how he has pretty much been Teflon on these boards?[/quote]

I get it. They had seven guys before your favorite player Lovett quit - and maybe eight before Diakite tore up his leg and maybe nine before Wilson left and maybe ten before Zach Brown started identifying as a woman. That taken into account, now they have six. Question: when was the last time SJ had this sort of sustained recruiting success? Lavin had about one good year, Norm did well with the dregs that were left to him but the dregs are the dregs, and Jarvis was a clown. I think you have to go back to Fran and Fran still had the stink of Lou's coat tails to follow.

There are two aspects to recruiting: recognizing talent and recognizing character. Good teams don't have to worry about the latter, because they can pay players who don't go to class and no one cares and if something untoward happens they can just pay the next guy. Bad teams don't have the luxury of worrying about it. If you think Matt doesn't recognize the former we can agree to disagree.[/quote]

I understand it is hard to get guys here and I understand taking chances on the Jordan's, Lovett's, Brown's and Wilson's. Just seems like we put all of our eggs in those guys. Marvin Clark is a solid player/guy. Couple more of those solid guys should be sprinkled in. Except maybe get them as HS kids so you have them for 4 years.[/quote]

How long has MA been at SJU that he's been able to develop relationships with HS players? Lou started recruiting Mullin(s) when he was in the fifth grade and despite that he was within a C hair of going to dook. No denying that there are issues and lots of them but laying them at Matt's feet is I think unfair.[/quote]

Love Simon and as previously mentioned I think good teams have multiple Clark types. But Matt came here with the transfer rep and that is fine but my preference would be HS kids with transfers used as complimentary pieces not the other way around. I understand it takes time for relationship building but no one is given unlimited time. 3 years still to be relying primarily on transfers is a dangerous way to build a team/ program and one of the reasons for the roster imbalance we have now.
 
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When you lose 11 straight conference games, it's normal for fans to assign blame. That said, I think it's nuts to be down on Matt. If he left tomorrow, we would be in immediate crisis mode.
 
[quote="JohnnyFan" post=273284]When you lose 11 straight conference games, it's normal for fans to assign blame. That said, I think it's nuts to be down on Matt. If he left tomorrow, we would be in immediate crisis mode.[/quote]

If you work in an office with only one woman who is 200 pounds with a giant mole on a cheek does the fact that she is the only woman make her attractive?
 
[quote="JohnnyFan" post=273284]When you lose 11 straight conference games, it's normal for fans to assign blame. That said, I think it's nuts to be down on Matt. If he left tomorrow, we would be in immediate crisis mode.[/quote]

Matt A is the most important piece to the staff
 
[quote="we are sju" post=273285][quote="JohnnyFan" post=273284]When you lose 11 straight conference games, it's normal for fans to assign blame. That said, I think it's nuts to be down on Matt. If he left tomorrow, we would be in immediate crisis mode.[/quote]

If you work in an office with only one woman who is 200 pounds with a giant mole on a cheek does the fact that she is the only woman make her attractive?[/quote]

Yes
 
[quote="we are sju" post=273281]3 years still to be relying primarily on transfers is a dangerous way to build a team/ program and one of the reasons for the roster imbalance we have now.[/quote]

This looks pretty balanced to me

SR:Clark/Owens/Yakwe

JR:ponds/[Lovett]/Simon

SO: Dixon/Trimble/Keita/[Wilson/Brown]

FR:Williams/Roberts/Diakite/[Brooks]

Seven forward, six guards, six upperclassmen, seven underclassmen.

Lavin's last year he had six seniors (and 2 juniors, obekpa and balamou, that's eight upperclassmen, and two sophs, jordan and jones, and one freshman, the great amar alibowitz. That's an unbalanced roster.) I think balancing the roster's one of the few tangible things you can credit staff with having done and especially considering the defections.
 
[quote="fun" post=273301][quote="we are sju" post=273281]3 years still to be relying primarily on transfers is a dangerous way to build a team/ program and one of the reasons for the roster imbalance we have now.[/quote]

This looks pretty balanced to me

SR:Clark/Owens/Yakwe

JR:ponds/[Lovett]/Simon

SO: Dixon/Trimble/Keita/[Wilson/Brown]

FR:Williams/Roberts/Diakite/[Brooks]

Seven forward, six guards, six upperclassmen, seven underclassmen.

Lavin's last year he had six seniors (and 2 juniors, obekpa and balamou, that's eight upperclassmen, and two sophs, jordan and jones, and one freshman, the great amar alibowitz. That's an unbalanced roster.) I think balancing the roster's one of the few tangible things you can credit staff with having done and especially considering the defections.[/quote]

You know I am a Mullin guy. And I am certainly not pining for Lavin. But I also don't blindly repeat "all is well" like Kevin Bacon in Animal House. I understand Lovett situation was somewhat unforeseen. Though based on his track record was it? But we are in a power conference and we only have 6 guys that can or should play. One of which is a frosh and the other is Ahmed. That is....that is not good.
 
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