Marquette Game

[monte]

Is it heresy to suggest if Dee is not at least 90% fit for Duke, it would be ok to rest him to be at 100 % for Creighton & PC next week, assuming the trainer feels that supposition is correct? Much more important games, considering beating Duke is unlikely.

I don't think its a bad idea Paultz, however can you imagine what a W against Duke would do for these kids and how it can impact the rest of the year? A loss wouldn't be devastating, but a win would not only do wonders for the kid's confidence, but also for our chances of making the tourney. IMO he would have to be a lot less than 90% for me to sit him and, in effect, forfeit the game.

I'm guessing DLO will not sit unless his leg gets amputated. there isn't a noticeable limp, and it may be better to keep him on the floor if he plays than sit him for stretches because it could tighten up when you aren't pumping blood through it moving around. Not a bad strategy to give him a game off, but on Sunday national television, against a nationally ranked team, fully expect Harrison to show up and do everything he can to spoil the rat's Garden party.

If D'Lo sits, 72' and Tony in Fairfield may be the only 2 St. John's fans in the Garden.

 

[SJU14]

Is it heresy to suggest if Dee is not at least 90% fit for Duke, it would be ok to rest him to be at 100 % for Creighton & PC next week, assuming the trainer feels that supposition is correct? Much more important games, considering beating Duke is unlikely.

I don't think its a bad idea Paultz, however can you imagine what a W against Duke would do for these kids and how it can impact the rest of the year? A loss wouldn't be devastating, but a win would not only do wonders for the kid's confidence, but also for our chances of making the tourney. IMO he would have to be a lot less than 90% for me to sit him and, in effect, forfeit the game.

I'm guessing DLO will not sit unless his leg gets amputated. there isn't a noticeable limp, and it may be better to keep him on the floor if he plays than sit him for stretches because it could tighten up when you aren't pumping blood through it moving around. Not a bad strategy to give him a game off, but on Sunday national television, against a nationally ranked team, fully expect Harrison to show up and do everything he can to spoil the rat's Garden party.

If D'Lo sits, 72' and Tony in Fairfield may be the only 2 St. John's fans in the Garden.

I just paid a lot of money to sit up high so I will be there no matter what

 

[RM86]

Im confused on why Wojo took out Carlino for like 4 mins there while he was hot

You could see at the game he raised his hand to come out, was gassed.

 

[RM86]

the last possession of the 1st half sums up Lav's offense.

Jordan didn't run the play correctly, he was supposed to go baseline. Obekpa was giving it to him as they went to locker room.

 

[TonyinFairfield]

Here are some of my observations


1. Marquette was an annoying ass team. Wojo is one annoying ass coach too. Running around and screaming and slapping the scorers table. The way he angrily motored down the hand shake line after the loss. Carlino was annoying too. Dancing around the court after hitting 3s. He's lucky he kept getting open. Finally Lav decided to put a two legged defender on him, so that helped. Pointer demolished him.

2. Sir Dom and Rysheed, were so damn good tonight. Guess what? That's 3 straight good games from Jordan. 3. He's getting there. Dom was incredible, but It was bittersweet because I was watching the game thinking, damn, he coulda done this easily against DePaul too. He should've played like that against DePaul. But what's done is done, he was huge tonight, and came up big when it mattered. Rysheed hit 2 clutch 3s tonight, a clutch and one, and also made an amazing pass to Dom. He's playing within the team, and I have this feeling he goes off against duke.

3. DLo, I don't know how hurt you were, but you shouldn't have played 35 minutes. Branch had a great game, really stepped up, and didn't get enough time. Stewart should've been put in with all the open 3s we were getting. DLo was overused and he should be getting rest.

4. Was an ugly game but glad to win, keep moving up. After what I watched tonight I don't know how we beat duke. But that's why they play the game. We have to play like we did in the first half and change against nova, with sheed playing better and also no sir Dom foul trouble.

It's ok if we lose to duke though, I'm focused on getting to 4-4 in BE play and moving forward from there.

Jack, great post. I especially agree with your observation about Wojo. First time I've seen him live and while I always knew he was an emotional guy, his foot stomping, hand banging and yelling up and down was incredibly obnoxious. That would wear thin very quickly here.

 

[monte]

Here are some of my observations


1. Marquette was an annoying ass team. Wojo is one annoying ass coach too. Running around and screaming and slapping the scorers table. The way he angrily motored down the hand shake line after the loss. Carlino was annoying too. Dancing around the court after hitting 3s. He's lucky he kept getting open. Finally Lav decided to put a two legged defender on him, so that helped. Pointer demolished him.

2. Sir Dom and Rysheed, were so damn good tonight. Guess what? That's 3 straight good games from Jordan. 3. He's getting there. Dom was incredible, but It was bittersweet because I was watching the game thinking, damn, he coulda done this easily against DePaul too. He should've played like that against DePaul. But what's done is done, he was huge tonight, and came up big when it mattered. Rysheed hit 2 clutch 3s tonight, a clutch and one, and also made an amazing pass to Dom. He's playing within the team, and I have this feeling he goes off against duke.

3. DLo, I don't know how hurt you were, but you shouldn't have played 35 minutes. Branch had a great game, really stepped up, and didn't get enough time. Stewart should've been put in with all the open 3s we were getting. DLo was overused and he should be getting rest.

4. Was an ugly game but glad to win, keep moving up. After what I watched tonight I don't know how we beat duke. But that's why they play the game. We have to play like we did in the first half and change against nova, with sheed playing better and also no sir Dom foul trouble.

It's ok if we lose to duke though, I'm focused on getting to 4-4 in BE play and moving forward from there.

Jack, great post. I especially agree with your observation about Wojo. First time I've seen him live and while I always knew he was an emotional guy, his foot stomping, hand banging and yelling up and down was incredibly obnoxious. That would wear thin very quickly here.

He learned from one of the best, Coach K. The guy who gets a complete pass on that kind of behavior.

 

[monte]

Is it heresy to suggest if Dee is not at least 90% fit for Duke, it would be ok to rest him to be at 100 % for Creighton & PC next week, assuming the trainer feels that supposition is correct? Much more important games, considering beating Duke is unlikely.

I don't think its a bad idea Paultz, however can you imagine what a W against Duke would do for these kids and how it can impact the rest of the year? A loss wouldn't be devastating, but a win would not only do wonders for the kid's confidence, but also for our chances of making the tourney. IMO he would have to be a lot less than 90% for me to sit him and, in effect, forfeit the game.

I'm guessing DLO will not sit unless his leg gets amputated. there isn't a noticeable limp, and it may be better to keep him on the floor if he plays than sit him for stretches because it could tighten up when you aren't pumping blood through it moving around. Not a bad strategy to give him a game off, but on Sunday national television, against a nationally ranked team, fully expect Harrison to show up and do everything he can to spoil the rat's Garden party.

If D'Lo sits, 72' and Tony in Fairfield may be the only 2 St. John's fans in the Garden.

I just paid a lot of money to sit up high so I will be there no matter what

That makes 3 .

 

[TonyinFairfield]

Is it heresy to suggest if Dee is not at least 90% fit for Duke, it would be ok to rest him to be at 100 % for Creighton & PC next week, assuming the trainer feels that supposition is correct? Much more important games, considering beating Duke is unlikely.

I don't think its a bad idea Paultz, however can you imagine what a W against Duke would do for these kids and how it can impact the rest of the year? A loss wouldn't be devastating, but a win would not only do wonders for the kid's confidence, but also for our chances of making the tourney. IMO he would have to be a lot less than 90% for me to sit him and, in effect, forfeit the game.

I'm guessing DLO will not sit unless his leg gets amputated. there isn't a noticeable limp, and it may be better to keep him on the floor if he plays than sit him for stretches because it could tighten up when you aren't pumping blood through it moving around. Not a bad strategy to give him a game off, but on Sunday national television, against a nationally ranked team, fully expect Harrison to show up and do everything he can to spoil the rat's Garden party.

If D'Lo sits, 72' and Tony in Fairfield may be the only 2 St. John's fans in the Garden.

And don't forget my son. He's a huge STJ fan too. I know, I know. I should probably have been reported to Child Protective Services!

 

[weathermannyc]

The way Carlino smoked open threes it was a good call to foul him, risking two points to prevent a three that could have tied the game. Good call.

I don't have a problem with the foul but how about putting Stewart or someone else in to give it? Pointer getting his 4th on that play was ridiculous. Also double Carlino off the in-bounds and make someone else shoot the fouls; basic strategy that escapes our staff even after calling two time outs.

I don't think you can foul in that situation. There was too much time on the clock (11 seconds which is an eternity), Carlino is too good of a FT shooter (85%), we had given up a lot of offensive rebounds late (including one on a missed FT), we had no timeouts left and haven't handled defensive pressure well lately. That is a lot of bad outcomes with a too much time left on the clock. I'd only consider fouling in a situation where there was less than 5 seconds left and the other team has multiple dangerous deep threats. Pointer had just about shut Carlino down after being switched on to him. All you had to be careful about was not getting lost when they ran a screen handoff on the wing or high ball screen to try to free someone up for a three. Even then its a tie...and you may have time left for a last rush back down the court.

 

[monte]

Is it heresy to suggest if Dee is not at least 90% fit for Duke, it would be ok to rest him to be at 100 % for Creighton & PC next week, assuming the trainer feels that supposition is correct? Much more important games, considering beating Duke is unlikely.

I don't think its a bad idea Paultz, however can you imagine what a W against Duke would do for these kids and how it can impact the rest of the year? A loss wouldn't be devastating, but a win would not only do wonders for the kid's confidence, but also for our chances of making the tourney. IMO he would have to be a lot less than 90% for me to sit him and, in effect, forfeit the game.

I'm guessing DLO will not sit unless his leg gets amputated. there isn't a noticeable limp, and it may be better to keep him on the floor if he plays than sit him for stretches because it could tighten up when you aren't pumping blood through it moving around. Not a bad strategy to give him a game off, but on Sunday national television, against a nationally ranked team, fully expect Harrison to show up and do everything he can to spoil the rat's Garden party.

If D'Lo sits, 72' and Tony in Fairfield may be the only 2 St. John's fans in the Garden.

And don't forget my son. He's a huge STJ fan too. I know, I know. I should probably have been reported to Child Protective Services!

Actually for your son I think it will be a great experience regardless. If we win its obviously awesome. And since he probably hasn't yet developed the same kind of disdain for Coach K that many of us have, if Duke wins he'll be present for an extremely historic college basketball event. Either way Sunday will provide him with memories that will last a lifetime. Lucky boy.

 

[Class of 72]

Is it heresy to suggest if Dee is not at least 90% fit for Duke, it would be ok to rest him to be at 100 % for Creighton & PC next week, assuming the trainer feels that supposition is correct? Much more important games, considering beating Duke is unlikely.

I don't think its a bad idea Paultz, however can you imagine what a W against Duke would do for these kids and how it can impact the rest of the year? A loss wouldn't be devastating, but a win would not only do wonders for the kid's confidence, but also for our chances of making the tourney. IMO he would have to be a lot less than 90% for me to sit him and, in effect, forfeit the game.

I'm guessing DLO will not sit unless his leg gets amputated. there isn't a noticeable limp, and it may be better to keep him on the floor if he plays than sit him for stretches because it could tighten up when you aren't pumping blood through it moving around. Not a bad strategy to give him a game off, but on Sunday national television, against a nationally ranked team, fully expect Harrison to show up and do everything he can to spoil the rat's Garden party.

If D'Lo sits, 72' and Tony in Fairfield may be the only 2 St. John's fans in the Garden.

I just paid a lot of money to sit up high so I will be there no matter what

That makes 3 .

If we play a close game or take a lead late in the game it may sound like 10,000 redmen fans instead of the 4,000 diehards that might show up. Some fans gave up before the game became the 1,000 coach K extravaganza and some desperate souls needed a few hundred dollars to supplement their smoking expenses. Some will never surrender until the game is over! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Was it over when Poland invaded Ukraine? Was it over when General Custer defeated the Crazy Horse at the Battle of Little Bighorn?

 

[monte]

Is it heresy to suggest if Dee is not at least 90% fit for Duke, it would be ok to rest him to be at 100 % for Creighton & PC next week, assuming the trainer feels that supposition is correct? Much more important games, considering beating Duke is unlikely.

I don't think its a bad idea Paultz, however can you imagine what a W against Duke would do for these kids and how it can impact the rest of the year? A loss wouldn't be devastating, but a win would not only do wonders for the kid's confidence, but also for our chances of making the tourney. IMO he would have to be a lot less than 90% for me to sit him and, in effect, forfeit the game.

I'm guessing DLO will not sit unless his leg gets amputated. there isn't a noticeable limp, and it may be better to keep him on the floor if he plays than sit him for stretches because it could tighten up when you aren't pumping blood through it moving around. Not a bad strategy to give him a game off, but on Sunday national television, against a nationally ranked team, fully expect Harrison to show up and do everything he can to spoil the rat's Garden party.

If D'Lo sits, 72' and Tony in Fairfield may be the only 2 St. John's fans in the Garden.

I just paid a lot of money to sit up high so I will be there no matter what

That makes 3 .

If we play a close game or take a lead late in the game it may sound like 10,000 redmen fans instead of the 4,000 diehards that might show up. Some fans gave up before the game became the 1,000 coach K extravaganza and some desperate souls needed a few hundred dollars to supplement their smoking expenses. Some will never surrender until the game is over! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Was it over when Poland invaded Ukraine? Was it over when General Custer defeated the Crazy Horse at the Battle of Little Bighorn?

Words to live by. Watched this on Sunday. It never gets old. In fact texted a buddy that IMO Dean Vernon Wormer deserved a Best Supporting actor nomination. But movie was way to politically incorrect for the academy.

 

[simplyred]

Is it heresy to suggest if Dee is not at least 90% fit for Duke, it would be ok to rest him to be at 100 % for Creighton & PC next week, assuming the trainer feels that supposition is correct? Much more important games, considering beating Duke is unlikely.

I don't think its a bad idea Paultz, however can you imagine what a W against Duke would do for these kids and how it can impact the rest of the year? A loss wouldn't be devastating, but a win would not only do wonders for the kid's confidence, but also for our chances of making the tourney. IMO he would have to be a lot less than 90% for me to sit him and, in effect, forfeit the game.

I'm guessing DLO will not sit unless his leg gets amputated. there isn't a noticeable limp, and it may be better to keep him on the floor if he plays than sit him for stretches because it could tighten up when you aren't pumping blood through it moving around. Not a bad strategy to give him a game off, but on Sunday national television, against a nationally ranked team, fully expect Harrison to show up and do everything he can to spoil the rat's Garden party.

If D'Lo sits, 72' and Tony in Fairfield may be the only 2 St. John's fans in the Garden.

I just paid a lot of money to sit up high so I will be there no matter what

That makes 3 .

If we play a close game or take a lead late in the game it may sound like 10,000 redmen fans instead of the 4,000 diehards that might show up. Some fans gave up before the game became the 1,000 coach K extravaganza and some desperate souls needed a few hundred dollars to supplement their smoking expenses. Some will never surrender until the game is over! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Was it over when Poland invaded Ukraine? Was it over when General Custer defeated the Crazy Horse at the Battle of Little Bighorn?

Words to live by. Watched this on Sunday. It never gets old. In fact texted a buddy that IMO Dean Vernon Wormer deserved a Best Supporting actor nomination. But movie was way to politically incorrect for the academy.

One of my favorite lines: "You can take your thumb out of my ass anytime now."

 

[redfan259999888]

I thought the intentional foul with 11 seconds still left in the game was ridiculous. We were still shooting 1 and 1 so a quick foul by Marquette would have given them the ball back with about 10 seconds left with the possibility of only being down a point and nothing would have been accomplished. Thankfully Greene got a breakaway dunk and was able to run a bit of time off the clock

I couldn't agree more. Maybe you foul with three seconds left, but if Jordan for example had gotten fouled and missed the one and one Marquette has ten seconds to win the game with a two pointer or foul shots. I hated that play.

Heck more often than not teams will take a quick 2 and then foul with that much time left

If we didn't foul and they hit a three to tie the game, people would be complaining that we didn't foul. SJU won the game. This nitpicking will drive you crazy.

I was saying to foul during the timeout, especially with Carlino having the ball. He did hit 4 straight at one point during the game. Good move by Lavin.

 

[redfan259999888]

Marquette thoughts:http://www.bigeastboards.com/

Can't say I agree with everything, but a lot of it is spot on.

I do agree with Fun's point regarding Greene's dunk at the end of the game, should have dribbled into corner to run out the clock. In fact that's what I expected when Jordan hit him with the pass.

I'll take the dunk. Anything can happen trying to run 11 seconds off the clock, including a turnover or tieup (see Max Hooper). The way we lined up for it, I was expecting one of our guys bunched behind midcourt to break long, but the way it was executed was actually more elaborate and reliable than a hail mary for a dunk.

If Phil went to kill time off the clock, Maybe Carlino would have never had time for that last second heave that rattled around the rim and came out.
Yeah I know, you see an easy dunk and you want to take it, but sometimes you gotta think of the situation.

 

[redfan259999888]

Problem with sitting DLo is we would probably get killed. And this will obviously be the most viewed SJU game all year, it is important to me we put a good product on the floor

Hey Jack, wheather they get beat by 40 or 1, it still counts only one loss. I'm not gonna worry about the Duke game. I'm more worried about Harrison, we are going to need our leader to lead us to many wins in the B.E. I say rest him against Duke, don't let him practice until Monday.
What if he plays and shoots lousy, then he's no help anyway.

I hate Duke too, but I'm just looking at the bigger picture.
Could Harrison hurt himself more if he continue to play? That's another concern.

 

[redmen2014champs]

Marquette thoughts:http://www.bigeastboards.com/

Can't say I agree with everything, but a lot of it is spot on.

I do agree with Fun's point regarding Greene's dunk at the end of the game, should have dribbled into corner to run out the clock. In fact that's what I expected when Jordan hit him with the pass.

I'll take the dunk. Anything can happen trying to run 11 seconds off the clock, including a turnover or tieup (see Max Hooper). The way we lined up for it, I was expecting one of our guys bunched behind midcourt to break long, but the way it was executed was actually more elaborate and reliable than a hail mary for a dunk.

Agree on the dunk, disagree on fouling Carlino with 11 seconds left. Stopping the clock by fouling their best shooter and letting them cut the lead to 1 with all that time left makes no sense to me whatsoever. At the very least play them tight beyond the 3 and force them to drive for 2. It kills more time off the clock and forces them to make a FG as opposed to putting Carlino at the charity stripe. And if they hit a crazy 3 worst case scenario you're headed for OT. By fouling with 11 seconds left you're actually setting Marquette up to get a W. Now we got the W so all's well that ends well, but I still don't like that move at all right there.

This. I am somewhat of a Lavin defender but many of you might have heard me screaming when they fouled Carlino. It may have worked out ok but it is one of the dumbest moves I've ever seen and the only way to lose the game in regulation. Greene's move was actually smart, although people are conditioned to think differently, an easy basket should not be passed up to go to the line in a one and one situation. It may be called a free throw but we all know they are never gimmes with the game on the line.

 

[beast of the east]

Marquette thoughts:http://www.bigeastboards.com/

Can't say I agree with everything, but a lot of it is spot on.

I do agree with Fun's point regarding Greene's dunk at the end of the game, should have dribbled into corner to run out the clock. In fact that's what I expected when Jordan hit him with the pass.

I'll take the dunk. Anything can happen trying to run 11 seconds off the clock, including a turnover or tieup (see Max Hooper). The way we lined up for it, I was expecting one of our guys bunched behind midcourt to break long, but the way it was executed was actually more elaborate and reliable than a hail mary for a dunk.

Agree on the dunk, disagree on fouling Carlino with 11 seconds left. Stopping the clock by fouling their best shooter and letting them cut the lead to 1 with all that time left makes no sense to me whatsoever. At the very least play them tight beyond the 3 and force them to drive for 2. It kills more time off the clock and forces them to make a FG as opposed to putting Carlino at the charity stripe. And if they hit a crazy 3 worst case scenario you're headed for OT. By fouling with 11 seconds left you're actually setting Marquette up to get a W. Now we got the W so all's well that ends well, but I still don't like that move at all right there.

This. I am somewhat of a Lavin defender but many of you might have heard me screaming when they fouled Carlino. It may have worked out ok but it is one of the dumbest moves I've ever seen and the only way to lose the game in regulation. Greene's move was actually smart, although people are conditioned to think differently, an easy basket should not be passed up to go to the line in a one and one situation. It may be called a free throw but we all know they are never gimmes with the game on the line.

I'm not saying it cannot be discussed, but it's not like Lavin invented that strategy. It's very simple. Marquette with the ball could hit a 3 to tie it. Put them on the line for two, and the ball is back in our hands, and the fate of the game belongs to us.

Most coaches would want the ball and the lead and control their own destiny. Letting Marquette run a play had the possibility of us having the ball and a tie. Fouling eliminated the possibility of a tie on FTs.

Funny, different sport, but in the closing moments before Flutie threw the Hail Mary, possibly the greatest pass of all time, just before Miami got the ball back leading to a TD and BC possession, BC offensive players chatted and considered approaching the coaches to say, let Miami score (and get the lead) so they could get the ball back in plenty of time. They were THAT confident that Flutie with the ball in his hands, could not be stopped. Any good team would want the ball and a 1 point lead after giving up 2 points, rather than the potential to give up 3 and have the ball and a tie.

 

[redmen2014champs]

I thought the intentional foul with 11 seconds still left in the game was ridiculous. We were still shooting 1 and 1 so a quick foul by Marquette would have given them the ball back with about 10 seconds left with the possibility of only being down a point and nothing would have been accomplished. Thankfully Greene got a breakaway dunk and was able to run a bit of time off the clock

I couldn't agree more. Maybe you foul with three seconds left, but if Jordan for example had gotten fouled and missed the one and one Marquette has ten seconds to win the game with a two pointer or foul shots. I hated that play.

Pointer had cooled him down way before the final minutes, likelihood of him hitting a 3 (if he even took one) was remote. Worst case scenario you get last possession to win or move on to OT on your home court.

Heck more often than not teams will take a quick 2 and then foul with that much time left

If we didn't foul and they hit a three to tie the game, people would be complaining that we didn't foul. SJU won the game. This nitpicking will drive you crazy.

I was saying to foul during the timeout, especially with Carlino having the ball. He did hit 4 straight at one point during the game. Good move by Lavin.

 

[redfan259999888]

Marquette thoughts:http://www.bigeastboards.com/

Can't say I agree with everything, but a lot of it is spot on.

I do agree with Fun's point regarding Greene's dunk at the end of the game, should have dribbled into corner to run out the clock. In fact that's what I expected when Jordan hit him with the pass.

I'll take the dunk. Anything can happen trying to run 11 seconds off the clock, including a turnover or tieup (see Max Hooper). The way we lined up for it, I was expecting one of our guys bunched behind midcourt to break long, but the way it was executed was actually more elaborate and reliable than a hail mary for a dunk.

Agree on the dunk, disagree on fouling Carlino with 11 seconds left. Stopping the clock by fouling their best shooter and letting them cut the lead to 1 with all that time left makes no sense to me whatsoever. At the very least play them tight beyond the 3 and force them to drive for 2. It kills more time off the clock and forces them to make a FG as opposed to putting Carlino at the charity stripe. And if they hit a crazy 3 worst case scenario you're headed for OT. By fouling with 11 seconds left you're actually setting Marquette up to get a W. Now we got the W so all's well that ends well, but I still don't like that move at all right there.

This. I am somewhat of a Lavin defender but many of you might have heard me screaming when they fouled Carlino. It may have worked out ok but it is one of the dumbest moves I've ever seen and the only way to lose the game in regulation. Greene's move was actually smart, although people are conditioned to think differently, an easy basket should not be passed up to go to the line in a one and one situation. It may be called a free throw but we all know they are never gimmes with the game on the line.

Monte "And if they hit a crazy 3 worst case scenario you're headed for OT."

But why even allow him to attempt a crazy 3 to force OT? To me Lavin did the right thing there by fouling? You never know what could happen in OT.