Marquette Game

Some of what Primo does is valuable but his sense of when to do it seems way off. I saw Lavin do some walk off the court coaching as he took him out at one point against Marquette. If he gets in sync with the team his skill set has value.
 
i dont know if anyone agrees but I think sanchez is useless at the big east level
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I wouldn't say useless, but I'm convinced we'd have more wins and the team would have already hit stride if he was never cleared. This team was a few wins from the bubble last year without a PG, with no experience, without any depth, and without GG. Sanchez can do a little bit of everything, but chooses to do the stuff that we don't need him to do. He has no concept of what his role should be. That isn't a problem with guys like GG and CO.

Right now we are better off with Obekpa in the game. He has a 10% higher FG% and he creates a ton of looks for himself and others off the offensive glass. He also doesn't shoot threes with a 73% failure rate, leaving one less big man down low to rebound. If you look closely, a lot of our prettiest plays start off with a nice down screen or back screen by Obekpa.

I'd like to see Sanchez play about 10-15 minutes of really focused basketball. Get the ball down low or on the baseline and use his skill advantage against other bigs. We don't need need a mediocore shooter or ball-handler...we need some points and rebounds down low and some solid screens with his wide body. He has good coordination and post moves and he is a good passer especially when he takes it baseline. He's also a solid rebounder when he's near the basket. If he can understand and accept that role, we become a much more dangerous team.
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Marillac, I responded to your last sentence in Spanish. Someone on this site that should buy a book appropriately named "Spanish For Dummies".
 
At 6'9, Orlando should not be pump faking from the 3 point line.

It is a disgrace.

He can hit a baby hook all day if the staff just utilized him in the post.
 
I thought Hardy was a very good ballhandler. But, on that team, he was a SG but,pressed into the PG more often than not too.

So, he likely got tired of doing it all in some games and needed a blow by having DJ or, Horne bring it up..

When they game was on the line, Hardy had the ball, either to shoot the J from anywhere or, take it to the hole, with a clear out from his teammates .. guys with mediocre handles aren't given the ball for game ending heroics Just my view.

Greene brings the ball upcourt way too much, even with Branch or Jordan in the game.. Not a lot of good stuff happens with Phil having the ball so much.. except Phil always gets his shot, often to the detriment of making a play for others.

Max and Phil should never be on the Court together. It's like playing 4 on 5, since Max can only watch the aimless dribbles.
 
Max and Phil should never be on the Court together. It's like playing 4 on 5, since Max can only watch the aimless dribbles.
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Actually I've watched defenses adjust when Hooper comes in the game. Marquette did it and it opened things up. There are a lot of nuances to the game of basketball that make all the difference.
 
Max and Phil should never be on the Court together. It's like playing 4 on 5, since Max can only watch the aimless dribbles.
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Actually I've watched defenses adjust when Hooper comes in the game. Marquette did it and it opened things up. There are a lot of nuances to the game of basketball that make all the difference.
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Max and Phil should never be on the Court together. It's like playing 4 on 5, since Max can only watch the aimless dribbles.
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Actually I've watched defenses adjust when Hooper comes in the game. Marquette did it and it opened things up. There are a lot of nuances to the game of basketball that make all the difference.
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Paul to be completely honest, they don't adjust. They don't sub in, they don't change strategies. What they appear to me to do, is that reading his stat line, and some limited heorics, tell guys that Hooper can be dangerous if left alone form the outside, So what I've observed (and you too I guess) is that a defender pays attention and jumps out when the ball is on Hoopers side of the court. That has been more than sufficient in neutralizing him, because he doesn't pull up and jump shoot off the dribble, doesn't drive to the hoop, and doesn't shoto when he is challenged. I haven't notice a single instance where we use Hooper to draw the defense out and then get the ball in the seems to someone for an easy shot. Too me, Hooper, unless he could make 50% of those open shots, offers far too little in other areas to be an effective Big East player.
 
Paul to be completely honest, they don't adjust. They don't sub in, they don't change strategies. What they appear to me to do, is that reading his stat line, and some limited heorics, tell guys that Hooper can be dangerous if left alone form the outside, So what I've observed (and you too I guess) is that a defender pays attention and jumps out when the ball is on Hoopers side of the court. That has been more than sufficient in neutralizing him, because he doesn't pull up and jump shoot off the dribble, doesn't drive to the hoop, and doesn't shoto when he is challenged. I haven't notice a single instance where we use Hooper to draw the defense out and then get the ball in the seems to someone for an easy shot. Too me, Hooper, unless he could make 50% of those open shots, offers far too little in other areas to be an effective Big East player.
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you sure you are being completely honest?
 
Paul to be completely honest, they don't adjust. They don't sub in, they don't change strategies. What they appear to me to do, is that reading his stat line, and some limited heorics, tell guys that Hooper can be dangerous if left alone form the outside, So what I've observed (and you too I guess) is that a defender pays attention and jumps out when the ball is on Hoopers side of the court. That has been more than sufficient in neutralizing him, because he doesn't pull up and jump shoot off the dribble, doesn't drive to the hoop, and doesn't shoto when he is challenged. I haven't notice a single instance where we use Hooper to draw the defense out and then get the ball in the seems to someone for an easy shot. Too me, Hooper, unless he could make 50% of those open shots, offers far too little in other areas to be an effective Big East player.
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you sure you are being completely honest?
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Would I lie to you? I'm going to send you seeds and then just come visit to collect in August.
 
Ive noticed two things on offense when Hooper is in the game.
1- We dont always look for him and miss him when he's open.
2- His man will never help on penetration

I like sanchez coming off the bench better. CO should start especially with the way he has been playing lately. Sancez is another ball handler, shot blocker, passer and he can also create his own shot. That starting line up of Branch Jordan Harrison Sampson and CO looked great in stretches.
 
In simplest terms the scouting report is pack it in and they will struggle. Some teams are looking at Hooper and saying, this kid can hit when open but he is not going to beat you off the dribble so play him close and you will defend that effectively. Everything meaningful happens in tenths of seconds. The difference between packing it in and extending one man is a major difference especially if you have guys who know how to pass - and when to pass. One guy extended on D and you are no longer packed in and you have seams. This is where you can drive and score or drive and dish or drive and kick. If you are spacing and moving off the ball, with a good pass you have an open shot. For a team that lives and dies by the jumpshot as we do (stupid or not) this is significant. What is also significant is that for the most part we have not had guys making good passes in these situations or guys who don't pass at all i.e. bad shot selection. It is not coincidence that really good shooting teams are also normally teams with high numbers of assists. on the bright side, Jordan has looked brilliant on a few occasions in these situations. So had Branch. More of that and we have an offense. Our FG% will go up too, I guarantee it.
 
Max and Phil should never be on the Court together. It's like playing 4 on 5, since Max can only watch the aimless dribbles.
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Actually I've watched defenses adjust when Hooper comes in the game. Marquette did it and it opened things up. There are a lot of nuances to the game of basketball that make all the difference.
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Respectfully, nuances aside.. If Hooper is in the game and Phil is too and Max never touches the ball in a scoring position, how does that impact the strategy of the game? I doubt Hooper is game planning thought to most opposing Coaches because they know he rarely gets the ball. And, sure we are well scouted as being a poor outside shooting team but, I don't think Max gets attention that opens things up for others.

Except for Phil..
 
i dont know if anyone agrees but I think sanchez is useless at the big east level
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I wouldn't say useless, but I'm convinced we'd have more wins and the team would have already hit stride if he was never cleared. This team was a few wins from the bubble last year without a PG, with no experience, without any depth, and without GG. Sanchez can do a little bit of everything, but chooses to do the stuff that we don't need him to do. He has no concept of what his role should be. That isn't a problem with guys like GG and CO.

Right now we are better off with Obekpa in the game. He has a 10% higher FG% and he creates a ton of looks for himself and others off the offensive glass. He also doesn't shoot threes with a 73% failure rate, leaving one less big man down low to rebound. If you look closely, a lot of our prettiest plays start off with a nice down screen or back screen by Obekpa.

I'd like to see Sanchez play about 10-15 minutes of really focused basketball. Get the ball down low or on the baseline and use his skill advantage against other bigs. We don't need need a mediocore shooter or ball-handler...we need some points and rebounds down low and some solid screens with his wide body. He has good coordination and post moves and he is a good passer especially when he takes it baseline. He's also a solid rebounder when he's near the basket. If he can understand and accept that role, we become a much more dangerous team.
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Sanchez's legacy will be phrases that begin with "What if he _____?" or "If only he would ______?" Given his size, you would hope he would be a terror in the paint on both ends but he plays small and lacks fight. Of course when he does try to be more aggressive he picks up quick fouls.

For some reason he reminds me of Charles Smith, Knicks vs Bulls 1993.

 
Ive noticed two things on offense when Hooper is in the game.
1- We dont always look for him and miss him when he's open.
2- His man will never help on penetration

I like sanchez coming off the bench better. CO should start especially with the way he has been playing lately. Sancez is another ball handler, shot blocker, passer and he can also create his own shot. That starting line up of Branch Jordan Harrison Sampson and CO looked great in stretches.
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Hard to solve the Sanchez / Obekpa equation because both are prone to stupid fouls. O got his 4th at around the 15 minute mark if I recall. Last season Obekpa said that he liked coming off the bench because he studied what the other team was doing before coming into the game. I'd like to see him get more minutes and he probably would have against Marquette without the foul trouble.
 
Ive noticed two things on offense when Hooper is in the game.
1- We dont always look for him and miss him when he's open.
2- His man will never help on penetration

I like sanchez coming off the bench better. CO should start especially with the way he has been playing lately. Sancez is another ball handler, shot blocker, passer and he can also create his own shot. That starting line up of Branch Jordan Harrison Sampson and CO looked great in stretches.
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I know the consensus is against me, but:

1) I like Sanchez - a lot. What he is capable of doing as a forward is something we haven't had since Artest. That's NOT to put him in the same category, except to say he can shoot from the outside, put the ball on the floor to the hoop, lead the break, rebound, and contest shots. His passing skills are very good for a big man. The big missing piece as we would all agree, is consistency.

2) CO showed vast improvement in his offensive abilities earlier in the season against grade B opponents. When the going got tough in terms of talented big men it was clear he still has a long way to go. I am just guessing that his recent improvement had more to do with the lack of talented athletic front line men in our opponents the past two games.
 
I agree completely with your analysis, Beast. I like Sanchez's game. He's just too inconsistent. If his 3 dropped more frequently, we would have no qualms about a 6'9" guy taking them. His ability to handle the ball on the break and make the good pass is terrific for a guy his size. Of course, I prefer him down low, but his perimeter skills are not bad. The hype last year and coming into this season has caused us to expect too much. Therefore we are disappointed that he isn't the second coming.

As for CO, I really like what he has brought lately on the offensive end. He got killed because he was totally unproductive for a couple of games. It happens. Of course, he will continue to improve. Unless he is gonna jump the opening tip, I really don't care if he starts or if he is the first big off the bench. When he is productive and stays out of foul trouble, he will get minutes.
 
Max and Phil should never be on the Court together. It's like playing 4 on 5, since Max can only watch the aimless dribbles.
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Actually I've watched defenses adjust when Hooper comes in the game. Marquette did it and it opened things up. There are a lot of nuances to the game of basketball that make all the difference.
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Respectfully, nuances aside.. If Hooper is in the game and Phil is too and Max never touches the ball in a scoring position, how does that impact the strategy of the game? I doubt Hooper is game planning thought to most opposing Coaches because they know he rarely gets the ball. And, sure we are well scouted as being a poor outside shooting team but, I don't think Max gets attention that opens things up for others.

Except for Phil..
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I think that in some cases it is a fishing expedition. Some defenses take the bait. I think this is also why Hooper is so often at the corners instead of up top where he seems to shoot better. Not saying that I agree with any of it. I didn't think Hooper would crack the lineup this season. But I do think that he is not as bad on either end of the court as some have made him out and maybe our coaching staff is not as insanely stupid or without any strategy as many of us have assumed.
 
I like Sanchez a lot too. I feel like he is kind of struggling to figure out what his role is.
 
I like Sanchez a lot too. I feel like he is kind of struggling to figure out what his role is.
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I kind of wish he was a freshmen because I get the feeling even at 25 he would have been much further along had he played 3 years in the Big East. If we are so lucky to make the dance, I think he could cause huge problems and be a big surprise for teams who haven't seen him already.
 
Max and Phil should never be on the Court together. It's like playing 4 on 5, since Max can only watch the aimless dribbles.
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Actually I've watched defenses adjust when Hooper comes in the game. Marquette did it and it opened things up. There are a lot of nuances to the game of basketball that make all the difference.
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Respectfully, nuances aside.. If Hooper is in the game and Phil is too and Max never touches the ball in a scoring position, how does that impact the strategy of the game? I doubt Hooper is game planning thought to most opposing Coaches because they know he rarely gets the ball. And, sure we are well scouted as being a poor outside shooting team but, I don't think Max gets attention that opens things up for others.

Except for Phil..
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I think that in some cases it is a fishing expedition. Some defenses take the bait. I think this is also why Hooper is so often at the corners instead of up top where he seems to shoot better. Not saying that I agree with any of it. I didn't think Hooper would crack the lineup this season. But I do think that he is not as bad on either end of the court as some have made him out and maybe our coaching staff is not as insanely stupid or without any strategy as many of us have assumed.
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Good post, Paul. Now you are being more honest yourself. :) I am one of Max' toughest critics here, but more as a response to those who have fallen in love with him. My big criticism is not in his limitations, but on his supposed strength. If he just made those wide open looks consistently, I'd be in love with the kid as a situational player.
 
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