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[quote="gman" post=329161]Belmont, San Diego State and Lipscomb all 1 seeds in their conferences that went down today.[/quote]
Belmont lost last night, but they still may still receive a bid. Murray State may have stolen a bid from someone. So, you have to worry about a conference that was initially gonna send one team, but may end up sending two teams. You've made a mistake by mentioning San Diego State.
For instance, we have to hope Wofford wins their conference tourney. No one outside of Wofford will receive an at-large bid. If Wofford loses, then the Southern Conference will send two teams.
I'm not sure Lipscomb will receive a bid now they've lost in their conference tourney. So, I can't say if Liberty actually stole a bid from anyone else other than Lipscomb.
Belmont lost last night, but they still may still receive a bid. Murray State may have stolen a bid from someone. So, you have to worry about a conference that was initially gonna send one team, but may end up sending two teams. You've made a mistake by mentioning San Diego State.
For instance, we have to hope Wofford wins their conference tourney. No one outside of Wofford will receive an at-large bid. If Wofford loses, then the Southern Conference will send two teams.
I'm not sure Lipscomb will receive a bid now they've lost in their conference tourney. So, I can't say if Liberty actually stole a bid from anyone else other than Lipscomb.
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[quote="gman" post=329161]Belmont, San Diego State and Lipscomb all 1 seeds in their conferences that went down today.[/quote]
And Bradley, , after beating Loyola Chicago y’day, won the Missouri Valley Conference tournament today.
And Bradley, , after beating Loyola Chicago y’day, won the Missouri Valley Conference tournament today.
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A lot of people are saying Lipscomb will not get a bid.
All these analysts can say what they want but the truth is no one knows how the committee is going to pick teams with this new NET system being implemented for the first time. It’s a metric they created so they might use it as gospel for all we know. And sure we have a good amount of Q1 wins but a loss Wednesday the NET will fall into the 70s and the committee could easily make the decision to leave them out.
If we lose to DePaul Wednesday it is what it is. I’ve given up hope on this team but I’ll tune in Wednesday looking at their body language. If they seem to care at all than I will care. But if they play like they have the last couple of games and show a lack of desire to be out on the court than I will shut it off and the committee should pick a team that desperately wants to be there
All these analysts can say what they want but the truth is no one knows how the committee is going to pick teams with this new NET system being implemented for the first time. It’s a metric they created so they might use it as gospel for all we know. And sure we have a good amount of Q1 wins but a loss Wednesday the NET will fall into the 70s and the committee could easily make the decision to leave them out.
If we lose to DePaul Wednesday it is what it is. I’ve given up hope on this team but I’ll tune in Wednesday looking at their body language. If they seem to care at all than I will care. But if they play like they have the last couple of games and show a lack of desire to be out on the court than I will shut it off and the committee should pick a team that desperately wants to be there
I was curious to know who is on the NCAA selection committee… Here is the current make-up
http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/mens-basketball-selections-101-committee
Here's the full selection criteria again as well ( I know this was posted when NET came out)
http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/mens-basketball-selections-101-selections
http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/mens-basketball-selections-101-committee
Here's the full selection criteria again as well ( I know this was posted when NET came out)
http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/mens-basketball-selections-101-selections
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L J S A
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[quote="Paultzman" post=329112]Per Richard Deitch
Some (very good) sports media news:
CBS will be changing the NCAA Selection Show from last year's broadcast on TBS. No rolling out all the teams in alphabetical order this year. They will return to unveiling the teams in brackets when you first see them on the screen.[/quote]
I wonder if we'll be one of the teams they do a live look-in on.
Some (very good) sports media news:
CBS will be changing the NCAA Selection Show from last year's broadcast on TBS. No rolling out all the teams in alphabetical order this year. They will return to unveiling the teams in brackets when you first see them on the screen.[/quote]
I wonder if we'll be one of the teams they do a live look-in on.
If they lose in Wednesday, they will have lost 5 out of 6. With a 7th place finish in the BE and a loss on Wednesday I will be completely shocked if they make the tourney. If I were the committee how can you take a team with that terrible resume in their last games and a 7th place finish.
[quote="djramps" post=329282]If they lose in Wednesday, they will have lost 5 out of 6. With a 7th place finish in the BE and a loss on Wednesday I will be completely shocked if they make the tourney. If I were the committee how can you take a team with that terrible resume in their last games and a 7th place finish.[/quote]
I ask myself the same question. But then I see some other teams on the bubble and they make our skid look like a minor bump in the road. Indiana is squarely on the bubble despite having a stretch where they lost 12 of 13 games. No typo. 12 of 13. They have some good wins but if you lose 12 of 13 it baffles me how you could be on the bubble even in a soft bubble.
Ohio State is another team right near us on the bubble. They also lost 3 straight to end the year, and 6 of their last 8.
Texas Longhorns, lose 5 of their last 7, are 16-15 overall and somehow in the tournament safely in most brackets.
Florida Gators enter SEC tourney on a 3 game losing streak, 17-4 overall.
The more I look at it, most of these bubble teams have gone on skids entering post season play, it’s actually pretty astounding.
I ask myself the same question. But then I see some other teams on the bubble and they make our skid look like a minor bump in the road. Indiana is squarely on the bubble despite having a stretch where they lost 12 of 13 games. No typo. 12 of 13. They have some good wins but if you lose 12 of 13 it baffles me how you could be on the bubble even in a soft bubble.
Ohio State is another team right near us on the bubble. They also lost 3 straight to end the year, and 6 of their last 8.
Texas Longhorns, lose 5 of their last 7, are 16-15 overall and somehow in the tournament safely in most brackets.
Florida Gators enter SEC tourney on a 3 game losing streak, 17-4 overall.
The more I look at it, most of these bubble teams have gone on skids entering post season play, it’s actually pretty astounding.
Yeah, while the new #s metrics seems to say we're in especially with a win Wed., I am not so sure. How do we leapfrog 2 or 3 teams who finished ahead o]f us w/ stronger SOSs. I think we need a run (at least 2 wins in BET).
Considering the rest of the bubble and looking at how they’ve all been playing, I can say pretty confidently that a win Wednesday should get us in.
Expecting a loss, but hoping they win because Marquette is scared of us would love to lock them up one more time
Expecting a loss, but hoping they win because Marquette is scared of us would love to lock them up one more time
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frankingeneral
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[quote="djramps" post=329282]If they lose in Wednesday, they will have lost 5 out of 6. With a 7th place finish in the BE and a loss on Wednesday I will be completely shocked if they make the tourney. If I were the committee how can you take a team with that terrible resume in their last games and a 7th place finish.[/quote]
For starters, how you finish is irrelevant. It might not feel good to "back in," but the committee looks at total body of work. I keep comparing this team's resume to last year's Arizona State. That team had 20 wins overall, was 8-10 in a weak Pac-12 (3-bid league last year), good for 9th in conference, and lost 5 of their last 6 games heading into selection Sunday (including a first round loss in Pac-12 tourney to 17-15 Colorado and bad regular season losses to Stanford and Oregon State). BUT Arizona State made it on the strength of what they did before that poor closing stretch. The lone difference is that Arizona State's signature wins came in the non-conference slate (Kansas, Kansas State, Xavier & SDSU) and ours came mostly in the conference (with exception of VCU), but that distinction is largely irrelevant. It's total body of work. The Johnnies have it, especially when compared to the other teams on the bubble whose resumes are not nearly as top-heavy.
ETA: Yes, ASU last year played in the first four, but that's still "in" the tournament, and imho represents the worst case scenario for the Johnnies. A win Wednesday, and we should avoid Dayton.
For starters, how you finish is irrelevant. It might not feel good to "back in," but the committee looks at total body of work. I keep comparing this team's resume to last year's Arizona State. That team had 20 wins overall, was 8-10 in a weak Pac-12 (3-bid league last year), good for 9th in conference, and lost 5 of their last 6 games heading into selection Sunday (including a first round loss in Pac-12 tourney to 17-15 Colorado and bad regular season losses to Stanford and Oregon State). BUT Arizona State made it on the strength of what they did before that poor closing stretch. The lone difference is that Arizona State's signature wins came in the non-conference slate (Kansas, Kansas State, Xavier & SDSU) and ours came mostly in the conference (with exception of VCU), but that distinction is largely irrelevant. It's total body of work. The Johnnies have it, especially when compared to the other teams on the bubble whose resumes are not nearly as top-heavy.
ETA: Yes, ASU last year played in the first four, but that's still "in" the tournament, and imho represents the worst case scenario for the Johnnies. A win Wednesday, and we should avoid Dayton.
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[quote="Frank Molfetta" post=329297][quote="djramps" post=329282]If they lose in Wednesday, they will have lost 5 out of 6. With a 7th place finish in the BE and a loss on Wednesday I will be completely shocked if they make the tourney. If I were the committee how can you take a team with that terrible resume in their last games and a 7th place finish.[/quote]
For starters, how you finish is irrelevant. It might not feel good to "back in," but the committee looks at total body of work. I keep comparing this team's resume to last year's Arizona State. That team had 20 wins overall, was 8-10 in a weak Pac-12 (3-bid league last year), good for 9th in conference, and lost 5 of their last 6 games heading into selection Sunday (including a first round loss in Pac-12 tourney to 17-15 Colorado and bad regular season losses to Stanford and Oregon State). BUT Arizona State made it on the strength of what they did before that poor closing stretch. The lone difference is that Arizona State's signature wins came in the non-conference slate (Kansas, Kansas State, Xavier & SDSU) and ours came mostly in the conference (with exception of VCU), but that distinction is largely irrelevant. It's total body of work. The Johnnies have it, especially when compared to the other teams on the bubble whose resumes are not nearly as top-heavy.[/quote]
Absolutely. And as I said in a previous post, a ton of these other bubble teams (Ohio St, Indiana, Texas, TCU, Florida) are all entering conference tournaments on skids or losing streaks. We aren’t alone.
But we beat Nova, Marquette x2, VCU who may be a top 25 team today when the polls come out, seton hall, and a sweep of creighton who is firmly on the bubble now as well.
Throw in the fact that we lost multiple games with either Heron/Ponds out, which the committee does take into account, we should be in especially with a win Wednesday
For starters, how you finish is irrelevant. It might not feel good to "back in," but the committee looks at total body of work. I keep comparing this team's resume to last year's Arizona State. That team had 20 wins overall, was 8-10 in a weak Pac-12 (3-bid league last year), good for 9th in conference, and lost 5 of their last 6 games heading into selection Sunday (including a first round loss in Pac-12 tourney to 17-15 Colorado and bad regular season losses to Stanford and Oregon State). BUT Arizona State made it on the strength of what they did before that poor closing stretch. The lone difference is that Arizona State's signature wins came in the non-conference slate (Kansas, Kansas State, Xavier & SDSU) and ours came mostly in the conference (with exception of VCU), but that distinction is largely irrelevant. It's total body of work. The Johnnies have it, especially when compared to the other teams on the bubble whose resumes are not nearly as top-heavy.[/quote]
Absolutely. And as I said in a previous post, a ton of these other bubble teams (Ohio St, Indiana, Texas, TCU, Florida) are all entering conference tournaments on skids or losing streaks. We aren’t alone.
But we beat Nova, Marquette x2, VCU who may be a top 25 team today when the polls come out, seton hall, and a sweep of creighton who is firmly on the bubble now as well.
Throw in the fact that we lost multiple games with either Heron/Ponds out, which the committee does take into account, we should be in especially with a win Wednesday
These last 2 posts make me feel better about our chances.
JohnnyFever
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[quote="Jack Williams" post=329301][quote="Frank Molfetta" post=329297][quote="djramps" post=329282]If they lose in Wednesday, they will have lost 5 out of 6. With a 7th place finish in the BE and a loss on Wednesday I will be completely shocked if they make the tourney. If I were the committee how can you take a team with that terrible resume in their last games and a 7th place finish.[/quote]
For starters, how you finish is irrelevant. It might not feel good to "back in," but the committee looks at total body of work. I keep comparing this team's resume to last year's Arizona State. That team had 20 wins overall, was 8-10 in a weak Pac-12 (3-bid league last year), good for 9th in conference, and lost 5 of their last 6 games heading into selection Sunday (including a first round loss in Pac-12 tourney to 17-15 Colorado and bad regular season losses to Stanford and Oregon State). BUT Arizona State made it on the strength of what they did before that poor closing stretch. The lone difference is that Arizona State's signature wins came in the non-conference slate (Kansas, Kansas State, Xavier & SDSU) and ours came mostly in the conference (with exception of VCU), but that distinction is largely irrelevant. It's total body of work. The Johnnies have it, especially when compared to the other teams on the bubble whose resumes are not nearly as top-heavy.[/quote]
Absolutely. And as I said in a previous post, a ton of these other bubble teams (Ohio St, Indiana, Texas, TCU, Florida) are all entering conference tournaments on skids or losing streaks. We aren’t alone.
But we beat Nova, Marquette x2, VCU who may be a top 25 team today when the polls come out, seton hall, and a sweep of creighton who is firmly on the bubble now as well.
Throw in the fact that we lost multiple games with either Heron/Ponds out, which the committee does take into account, we should be in especially with a win Wednesday[/quote]
Yup, VCU is 24/25 in poll. Turned out to be a very good win.
For starters, how you finish is irrelevant. It might not feel good to "back in," but the committee looks at total body of work. I keep comparing this team's resume to last year's Arizona State. That team had 20 wins overall, was 8-10 in a weak Pac-12 (3-bid league last year), good for 9th in conference, and lost 5 of their last 6 games heading into selection Sunday (including a first round loss in Pac-12 tourney to 17-15 Colorado and bad regular season losses to Stanford and Oregon State). BUT Arizona State made it on the strength of what they did before that poor closing stretch. The lone difference is that Arizona State's signature wins came in the non-conference slate (Kansas, Kansas State, Xavier & SDSU) and ours came mostly in the conference (with exception of VCU), but that distinction is largely irrelevant. It's total body of work. The Johnnies have it, especially when compared to the other teams on the bubble whose resumes are not nearly as top-heavy.[/quote]
Absolutely. And as I said in a previous post, a ton of these other bubble teams (Ohio St, Indiana, Texas, TCU, Florida) are all entering conference tournaments on skids or losing streaks. We aren’t alone.
But we beat Nova, Marquette x2, VCU who may be a top 25 team today when the polls come out, seton hall, and a sweep of creighton who is firmly on the bubble now as well.
Throw in the fact that we lost multiple games with either Heron/Ponds out, which the committee does take into account, we should be in especially with a win Wednesday[/quote]
Yup, VCU is 24/25 in poll. Turned out to be a very good win.
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Also I don’t think the committee is gonna kill us for what is the worst thing about our resume, and that is going 0-6 against DePaul, X, Prov
we happened to play X twice when they were hot as any team in the country. They blitzed nova and made them look pedestrian.
DePaul also swept seton hall, a team that is even more solidly in than us right now. And they haven’t been the push over they have been in years past.
Getting swept by Providence sucks but not having Heron for one of them softens the blow a little in terms of how the committee will judge it. And Providence did also beat Texas another team right near us on the bubble.
The skid has pissed me and all the fans off but I think the committee will be more forgiving than us diehards are
we happened to play X twice when they were hot as any team in the country. They blitzed nova and made them look pedestrian.
DePaul also swept seton hall, a team that is even more solidly in than us right now. And they haven’t been the push over they have been in years past.
Getting swept by Providence sucks but not having Heron for one of them softens the blow a little in terms of how the committee will judge it. And Providence did also beat Texas another team right near us on the bubble.
The skid has pissed me and all the fans off but I think the committee will be more forgiving than us diehards are
frankingeneral
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[quote="Paultzman" post=329314]Interior challenge aside, this is DePaul for goodness sake at MSG. Win it and avoid begging on the metrics & please stop this slide. Losing 5 of 6 down the stretch is not acceptable.[/quote]
I agree, losing 5-out-of-6 would not be acceptable for this team (hell losing 4 of these 6 isn't either), but I don't think it's fatal to their NCAA chances is the point.
But I fully agree. This team and coaching staff needs to find a way to win this game Wednesday.
I agree, losing 5-out-of-6 would not be acceptable for this team (hell losing 4 of these 6 isn't either), but I don't think it's fatal to their NCAA chances is the point.
But I fully agree. This team and coaching staff needs to find a way to win this game Wednesday.
If we lose to DePaul, we probably don't deserve a bid. But even so, I wouldn't underestimate the allure to the NCAA bigwigs of having a team in the tournament that (a) is based in NYC / aka media capital of the world and (b) has 2 NBA Hall of Famers on the coaching staff. The TV people eat that stuff up and TV hype = $$$ to NCAA's ears.