I was not trying to find fault with his game and have never talked about getting rid of players. I was presenting a side of the argument that no one ever makes any more. Everyone is always saying take the money and makes these "no brainer" arguments but those arguments are superficial at best. I would not have any discussion with or about a St John's player's future without the same kind of consideration that I'd give to my own kid and I have never pushed my kids to pursue money but instead to be better people.
The quick cash even in abundance, isn't always the best choice and now we have historical stats that show that it is an overwhelmingly bad, long term choice. Go to college. Develop yourself as a human. Then when you make some cash you will be more mature and capable to deal with it and other things in your life that
come along because rich or poor, they surely will.
Paul, my post was not directed towards you, but to the tone of the thread in general. I am all for allowing kids to develop as human beings and expand their horizons. However, that is no longer possible in Big time sports. When I first went to college in 1965, it was a whole different atmosphere. In the summer the schools used to find paid internships for their athletes. This allowed them to experience the world of work so that they would be prepared when they graduated. Now basketball is a 12 month a year job. You are expected to be on campus to work out over the summer. You also take classes so that your class load during the season will allow for more time for practice and individual workouts.
It would be ideal if the players were fully able to take advantage of all the opportunities that college life has to offer but that is not happening. They are here for one reason and one reason only, to play ball. They also need to win games and keep the alumni and fans happy. I have not seen anyone post that we need to help Lovett get a summer internship that will help prepare him for life after basketball. I may be wrong, but most posters are concerned about our players only as it relates to basketball, and wins and losses.
In the thread on Tariq Owens, no one said, this young man played above expectations. Let's look into fining him a Summer Internship to help him prepare for life after ball. Everyone had ideas on what he needed to work on to make him a better and more productive player for good old St. Johns. Let's not kid ourselves, big time college sports is a year round job that leaves very little time for anything else.
Someone else talked about kids leaving early and then not being able to handle their business responsibly when they are through playing. How about the young man who represents his school admirably for four years and then has a hard time finding employment because he never had an internship or practical experience and does not have any familial connections. How about the fact that athletes are sometimes placed n majors that are not very challenging in order to keep them eligible and give them plenty of time to practice. I see this happening because when these young men finish school, they come back to my neighborhood. Then it is up to people like myself to help them readjust to the real world.
Those are legitimate issues that IMHO the NCAA created. Alumni/boosters have been taught for decades not discuss anything financially related wrt athletes to the point where there is a whole subculture of subterfuge where there are professional anonymous individuals that handle these issues between athletes/families and boosters and provide deniability for coaches and administrators (and politicians). And as we know it is the big money schools that primarily engage and benefit from this culture. Moreso in football but in basketball too. Pretty sure every big football school engages in this in basketball as well.
There are plenty of generous alumni and boosters and I don't remember any of them bragging about it online. I know several on this site that have helped the school pay for things like Tournament/travel expenses where it was sanctioned by the NCAA to do so. Just because they don't talk about it online, doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I could be wrong but I don't believe that an Alum can blankly offer to provide an internship. If at all, I'm guessing there would be a lot of NCAA red
tape.
Paul, I am not saying an Alumnus should do it themselves, but the Athletic Dept. should be able to refer young men for internships. However, the point I am making is that there is not time in their schedules for internships. These young men were brought here to play basketball and there is no time for thins like a summer job or an internship because the summer is spent getting better for the following season.
I remember a while back one of our players had a wife and at least one kid and I think his wife was pregnant. The NCAA would not let him get a job short of quitting the team. Aside from that, I don't completely buy your argument. My last semester at St Johns I took 21 credits to graduate on time and also had 3 jobs and a serious girlfriend that I somehow spent a lot of time with. When you are young you can handle a lot. I also hung out with some of the student athletes at St Johns. The 80s was a while back but a lot of these guys had a lot of time on their hands and were frequently at local bars, parties etc. If you train a few hours ever day that is a lot. There is time and even a need to be doing other things not to mention that there are some world class athletes that distinguished themselves as college scholars even in recent years.