LJ in Transfer Portal?

[quote="MJDinkins" post=388469][quote="AlexSTJ" post=388466][quote="MJDinkins" post=388462]To Redmen4life and AlexSTJ.... Legendary, historical, great.... Semantics. I don't use the word "great" lightly, and Figueroa isn't a great player. Sorry.

Those "legendary" and "historical" players were great players. Simple. Figueroa is a good player. There's nothing wrong with that. Not everyone can be "great."[/quote]

The difference between legendary and great is simply semantics?[/quote]

Yep.[/quote]

Got it, that explains a lot.
 
[quote="redmen4life" post=388464][quote="MJDinkins" post=388462]To Redmen4life and AlexSTJ.... Legendary, historical, great.... Semantics. I don't use the word "great" lightly, and Figueroa isn't a great player. Sorry.

Those "legendary" and "historical" players were great players. Simple. Figueroa is a good player. That's nothing wrong with that. Not everyone can be "great."[/quote]

fine.

you don't think that next season, with full year under CMA, his system, culture, developed players like GW, ME, Julian, and the new crop of guys, that LJ really would've been the star on this team?[/quote]
So the top player on any given team has to be considered great?
 
This evaluation of LJ's game is pretty wild. At best, he's probably equivalent to someone like Postell. Don't get me wrong, nice player, but in no way a game changer. Would like him back, however, he doesn't want to be here. Don't really see this being a huge problem for next year. Guys will step up, it happens.
 
[quote="SJUFAN2" post=388431][quote="Amaseinyourface" post=388426][quote="SJUFAN2" post=388417][quote="Amaseinyourface" post=388391]Over analyzing these decisions never looks good over a keyboard. Couldn’t there be a chance he just decided he didn’t want to be at St. John’s anymore? Yea it sucks and no one liked LJ more than me. But this is just a college kid who transferred.

When another player from another school does the same tomorrow we will all be in line to grab him up.[/quote]

That's fair, but let's also be realistic. He didn't just wake up Monday morning and decide "I don't like it here anymore." He was in the transfer portal a year ago.

He has every right to do what he's doing. He also deserves all the criticism he gets for handling this in a poor/selfish manner.

I wish him good luck wherever he ends up, but I won't quickly forgive him for how he played this.[/quote]

I just think selfish is a weird word choice coming from fans who selfishly want him at the school so we can all selfishly enjoy a good season.[/quote]

Ok, clearly he doesn't owe fans anything. But what about the staff that was holding the spot for him in the event his pro aspirations didn't pan out??
Its kinda like keeping the girl you've been dating, and know you are going to dump in two months, at arms length while you are on every dating app looking for someone to spend New Years Eve with. She's your worst case scenario for the holiday but then you find a hottie on tinder and you dump the GF the day before the big party.
Works out great for you, but not so much for her. That's what makes it selfish.

As for this fan, I would like to have him here because he's a good, not great player. But have no problems with him leaving and our moving forward without him. Just wish he'd handled it better.[/quote]

To be clear, I totally understand how this timing is bad for st. Johns. Can’t dispute that. I’m Just saying isn’t there a possibility LJ was struggling with this decision on his own? Maybe it wasn’t an easy decision for him to transfer from St. John’s? I mean, look at how its being treated now. To say it’s a selfish move for a college kid to transfer comes off a bit selfish to me. Just my opinion.
 
LJ would have had 3 straight winning seasons at sju. Who was our last player to do that? Jesus that’s scary.
 
Amaseinyourface wrote: LJ would have had 3 straight winning seasons at sju. Who was our last player to do that? Jesus that’s scary.

Would have been the Green, Pointer class with Lavin I think.
 
[quote="Amaseinyourface" post=388488]LJ would have had 3 straight winning seasons at sju. Who was our last player to do that? Jesus that’s scary.[/quote]

So would of greg williams and josh roberts.
 
[quote="Duke of Earlington" post=388491][quote="Amaseinyourface" post=388488]LJ would have had 3 straight winning seasons at sju. Who was our last player to do that? Jesus that’s scary.[/quote]

So would of greg williams and josh roberts.[/quote]


Yea you’re right but I meant in a leading role. Those guys (plus you of course) might be the first class to go all 4 years this millennium. Let’s hope.
 
I must say, there really is a lot of circumstantial evidence pointing to LJ having little regard for the staff. Whether he was unhappy with them or just immature, I am not sure. But, it does appear he was not being straight with them.
 
[quote="NCJohnnie" post=388490]Amaseinyourface wrote: LJ would have had 3 straight winning seasons at sju. Who was our last player to do that? Jesus that’s scary.

Would have been the Green, Pointer class with Lavin I think.[/quote]

Yea you’re right I was thinking that sophomore year ended one game under but it was one game over .500.
 
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[quote="Moose" post=388473][quote="Monte" post=388457]Maybe I missing something, but why is everyone so sure that LJ "screwed" CMA over? Who's to say that he hasn't kept CMA apprised all along the way, and that CMA was willing to go along with things in the hopes that LJ would decide to return, as he did last year? There was never any statement from LJ or the staff that he was definitely returning. The more time went on, the more promising it looked, but again it was never said that he was returning. It's entirely possible that CMA was well aware of this possibility, but wasn't going to say anything about it until it was a done deal, one way or the other.[/quote]

I am 1000% sure that back around May 10th there was a tweet from our favorite beat writer after he said Salnave was no longer on SJU radar because a scholarship didn't open up (notice never mentioning McGriff) but ALSO he mentioned that expectation was LJ was to return. I went back and looked (Yes I'm that bored) and I don't see that tweet. But I know I saw it then. So over the last 2 weeks things have changed. There is smoke to the extra course load fire. The word 'screwed' can be dissected all day long but something is off here because a kid was begging to come to SJU and we didn't have the room. Now all of a sudden we do and the kid is laughing. I'm pretty sure a buttoned up staff like this did their homework then and again 'expectations' were he was to return so they said sorry Ray. Now we're left holding the bag.[/quote]

I agree that something smells rotten, all I'm saying is that since there was no confirmation from anyone of importance that LJ was staying, then it's safe to assume that CMA knew that this wasn't a done deal. Maybe CMA was willing to take the gamble that LJ would decide to return, even though it meant loosing Salnave. All guesswork at this point, but short of CMA or LJ saying he was coming back, I'll assume that CMA knew things were still up in the air.
 
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Amaseinyourface wrote:
NCJohnnie wrote:
Amaseinyourface wrote: LJ would have had 3 straight winning seasons at sju. Who was our last player to do that? Jesus that’s scary.

Would have been the Green, Pointer class with Lavin I think.


Yea you’re right I was thinking that sophomore year ended one game under but it was one game over .500.

Me too, I was about to respond that the last player to play on teams with winning records 3 years in a row might well have been Lavor Postell when I checked Lavin's record and saw the 17-16 in year 3.
 
Dave from Johnny Jungle has posted this on his site.........please don't shoot the messenger:

Starts with M and ends with N.

Didn't get along. A lot of other players aren't exactly fond of him either but they also don't have many options to play on this level and get playing time. I think if they did Roberts and Williams were gone. I also think that's why you saw Williams get a bump in minutes towards end of last year because he was very close to bouncing.
 
[quote="capmaker" post=388503]Dave from Johnny Jungle has posted this on his site.........please don't shoot the messenger:

Starts with M and ends with N.

Didn't get along. A lot of other players aren't exactly fond of him either but they also don't have many options to play on this level and get playing time. I think if they did Roberts and Williams were gone. I also think that's why you saw Williams get a bump in minutes towards end of last year because he was very close to bouncing.[/quote]

I love the use of the words A LOT. What constitutes A LOT? He 3 players. All 3 were not CMA recruits. There is nothing shocking there. If I was hired by Jim but ended up working for Dave I might not pick with Dave.
 
[quote="capmaker" post=388503]Dave from Johnny Jungle has posted this on his site.........please don't shoot the messenger:

Starts with M and ends with N.

Didn't get along. A lot of other players aren't exactly fond of him either but they also don't have many options to play on this level and get playing time. I think if they did Roberts and Williams were gone. I also think that's why you saw Williams get a bump in minutes towards end of last year because he was very close to bouncing.[/quoteI

Is he implying that some players don't like LJ or Earlington?
 
[quote="QueensBall" post=388509][quote="capmaker" post=388503]Dave from Johnny Jungle has posted this on his site.........please don't shoot the messenger:

Starts with M and ends with N.

Didn't get along. A lot of other players aren't exactly fond of him either but they also don't have many options to play on this level and get playing time. I think if they did Roberts and Williams were gone. I also think that's why you saw Williams get a bump in minutes towards end of last year because he was very close to bouncing.[/quoteI

Is he implying that some players don't like LJ or Earlington?[/quote]

Pretty sure he's implying LJ and others didn't like CMA.
 
[quote="NCJohnnie" post=388501]Amaseinyourface wrote:
NCJohnnie wrote:
Amaseinyourface wrote: LJ would have had 3 straight winning seasons at sju. Who was our last player to do that? Jesus that’s scary.

Would have been the Green, Pointer class with Lavin I think.


Yea you’re right I was thinking that sophomore year ended one game under but it was one game over .500.

Me too, I was about to respond that the last player to play on teams with winning records 3 years in a row might well have been Lavor Postell when I checked Lavin's record and saw the 17-16 in year 3.[/quote]

Throughout this discussion of "great" why has no one mentioned D'Angelo Harrison as a comparison to LJ since they played in the same decade. He was vastly superior to LJ. He even had "issues" and corrected them and came back stronger and left as one of our top all time scorers. He never dogged it and was an enthusiastic team leader. LJ was not a team leader which may have been his personality to be reticent. D'Angelo thrived in it and is still a wonderful supporter of SJU.
 
Thank you, Moose. That makes more sense.

This must be what my wife feels like when I pause the movie to explain whats going on.
 
Not comparing, but I don’t think Bobby Knight was everyone’s cop of tea.
 
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