LJ in Transfer Portal?
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[quote="Moose" post=388381][quote="fordham96" post=388380][quote="Moose" post=388378][quote="fordham96" post=388374][quote="Moose" post=388373][quote="MarkRedman" post=388369][quote="Paultzman" post=388346]St. John's transfer L.J. Figueroa has heard from a number of schools, sources told ESPN, including:
Memphis
Texas Tech
Arkansas
Dayton
Ohio State
Oregon
Georgia Tech
Samford
UCLA
Auburn
Per Jeff Borzello[/quote]
It's be a real bitch if he goes to TT, gets a waiver, and plays against us next season[/quote]
I would hope we at least put a restriction with teams on our schedule. It’s not unrealistic or over the top request.[/quote]
How? That is the whole point of the Portal vs Asking for a formal release when you transfer. No more "needing permission." The only restrictions are conference rules.
This was the whole point of the Portal, gives players freedom. They no longer need to ask for permission. Just give the school compliance 48 hour notice of intent and then they can drop their name in the Portal. The flip side with no permission needed no need for the coach to release a kid from his scholarship. They don't have that power anymore. Think about it, you think Matt Painter likes the fact that Nojel Eastern left Purdue for a conference rival, Michigan? Probably not. So what can he do about it since the B10 no longer has intra-conference trnasfer rules? Nothing. Old days he could refuse to release Eastern unless he approves of the school and without a release the kid cannot go on scholarship to his next school.[/quote]
Because it’s happens? Is that a good enough reason? If LJ wants to play next year SJU can support him. He can’t transfer to BE school because of rules in place. You mention the B10 which has always been an outlier. If he plans to sit out a year different story but we all know that’s bull. Sure LJs camp can push back and a discussion can happen. If I was CMA I would saw good luck but not anyone on the schedule. It’s happened before plenty of times.[/quote]
I' must be missing something.
Once he is in the Portal neither SJU nor Anderson can place any restrictions on him. Period.
Now if he requests a waiver the outgoing school is not obliged to support it.[/quote]
Maybe I’m missing something. Maybe it was under the table dealings? Thought it was common practice when kids were trying to get immediate eligibility. Yes we support your claim but out of respect stay away from scheduled teams. 330 plus schools out there. Staying away from the at most 3-5 non conference schools shouldn’t be over the top.
If he goes to Tech he vaults past Nuri and Lovett then for sole place on the top of my list[/quote]
That was my last point the waiver, not the transfer itself. So if he transfers to Texas Tech and asks for a waiver SJU is under no obligation to support it. They can't block him from going to TT, that was my initial point. But the outgoing school is usually asked as part of the waiver process to either support or not support and SJU is under no obligation to support it if they choose not to. That does not mean he won't get it but it can factor into it, yes. But again I thought you were talking about blocking him from transferring to a certain school not just the waiver.
Memphis
Texas Tech
Arkansas
Dayton
Ohio State
Oregon
Georgia Tech
Samford
UCLA
Auburn
Per Jeff Borzello[/quote]
It's be a real bitch if he goes to TT, gets a waiver, and plays against us next season[/quote]
I would hope we at least put a restriction with teams on our schedule. It’s not unrealistic or over the top request.[/quote]
How? That is the whole point of the Portal vs Asking for a formal release when you transfer. No more "needing permission." The only restrictions are conference rules.
This was the whole point of the Portal, gives players freedom. They no longer need to ask for permission. Just give the school compliance 48 hour notice of intent and then they can drop their name in the Portal. The flip side with no permission needed no need for the coach to release a kid from his scholarship. They don't have that power anymore. Think about it, you think Matt Painter likes the fact that Nojel Eastern left Purdue for a conference rival, Michigan? Probably not. So what can he do about it since the B10 no longer has intra-conference trnasfer rules? Nothing. Old days he could refuse to release Eastern unless he approves of the school and without a release the kid cannot go on scholarship to his next school.[/quote]
Because it’s happens? Is that a good enough reason? If LJ wants to play next year SJU can support him. He can’t transfer to BE school because of rules in place. You mention the B10 which has always been an outlier. If he plans to sit out a year different story but we all know that’s bull. Sure LJs camp can push back and a discussion can happen. If I was CMA I would saw good luck but not anyone on the schedule. It’s happened before plenty of times.[/quote]
I' must be missing something.
Once he is in the Portal neither SJU nor Anderson can place any restrictions on him. Period.
Now if he requests a waiver the outgoing school is not obliged to support it.[/quote]
Maybe I’m missing something. Maybe it was under the table dealings? Thought it was common practice when kids were trying to get immediate eligibility. Yes we support your claim but out of respect stay away from scheduled teams. 330 plus schools out there. Staying away from the at most 3-5 non conference schools shouldn’t be over the top.
If he goes to Tech he vaults past Nuri and Lovett then for sole place on the top of my list[/quote]
That was my last point the waiver, not the transfer itself. So if he transfers to Texas Tech and asks for a waiver SJU is under no obligation to support it. They can't block him from going to TT, that was my initial point. But the outgoing school is usually asked as part of the waiver process to either support or not support and SJU is under no obligation to support it if they choose not to. That does not mean he won't get it but it can factor into it, yes. But again I thought you were talking about blocking him from transferring to a certain school not just the waiver.
[quote="otis" post=388232][quote="PharmDJohnnie11" post=388223]
........I'm not thrilled with CMA and staff on this one. If he wasn't sure if LJ would be back he should have gone harder on Perez, and should have signed Salnave if LJ refused to commit for next season..........
Now he's caught with his pants down. Even though I don't think losing LJ will hurt the team much, we still lost out on at least two other good pieces because LJ and his snake advisor, Alex Arias, basically screwed us as CMA stood idly by. ......[/quote]
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You don’t know what conversations occurred between LJ and CMA
By all accounts CMA is a hands on coach who is in daily contact with his players.
In my mind it is just as likely that LJ double crossed CMA as it is that CMA naively failed to ask LJ if he would return to StJ’s.[/quote]
Don’t think it is LIKELY, think it is ABSOLUTE...this guy is a pro’s pro...Based on the accounts put out here, he didn’t even meet Salnave until the very end...I could be wrong but I don’t think so...LJ and his handlers played SJ
........I'm not thrilled with CMA and staff on this one. If he wasn't sure if LJ would be back he should have gone harder on Perez, and should have signed Salnave if LJ refused to commit for next season..........
Now he's caught with his pants down. Even though I don't think losing LJ will hurt the team much, we still lost out on at least two other good pieces because LJ and his snake advisor, Alex Arias, basically screwed us as CMA stood idly by. ......[/quote]
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You don’t know what conversations occurred between LJ and CMA
By all accounts CMA is a hands on coach who is in daily contact with his players.
In my mind it is just as likely that LJ double crossed CMA as it is that CMA naively failed to ask LJ if he would return to StJ’s.[/quote]
Don’t think it is LIKELY, think it is ABSOLUTE...this guy is a pro’s pro...Based on the accounts put out here, he didn’t even meet Salnave until the very end...I could be wrong but I don’t think so...LJ and his handlers played SJ
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=388244]Jack, you can be realistic. It's ok...really. There's being optimistic and just being ridiculous. Implying losing LJ our leading scorer and one of the only guys who can hope to make a 3 or a big play consistently is not a big loss is ridiculous. Some people want to act happy about our chances no matter what it seems. The 1927 Yankees lose Babe Ruth...no biggie! Obviously LJ is nowhere near that comparison but my point is that sometimes it's ok to admit things are bad when they are. You can't just always repress things and pretend they don't matter because they are unfortunate. Venting is natural in humans. No reason to cover your ears and yell I can't hear you lalalala. This just immediately took us out of any tourney consideration for yet another season. Excuse me if that annoys me.
LJ was no superstar, but he was a very important piece. He had a knack for heady plays in key moments. He may have regressed a bit this past season since he was not as efficient, but he was still our best all around player. Capable defender, can at worst keep you honest from 3 and at best be red hot from 3 at least a handful of games. So yes he probably now makes next year at best a repeat of this previous year instead of a season with real NCAA hope. That doesn't even annoy you a little as a big SJ fan? As Joe Biden would say....come on man. It's also the way LJ left clearly tampered with by other programs and on top of all that we lost out on 2 guys we could've had as replacements because he waited. We will see how CMA fares and he's still doing well in my book, but I hope this isn't just going to be more of the same 1 step forward 2 steps back we're all way too used to.[/quote]
I wish he stayed. But, make a 3 consistently?
His value next year was 1000% based on him fitting in...not taking over...he is not a lead dog, but could have had a big year on a young team...he had a good nose for the ball, but was not a good defensive player...couldn’t stay in front of his man...I hope beyond hope that he changes his mind because he is a big piece but I don't think he wants to be a piece which is exactly what he will be if he goes anywhere decent.
LJ was no superstar, but he was a very important piece. He had a knack for heady plays in key moments. He may have regressed a bit this past season since he was not as efficient, but he was still our best all around player. Capable defender, can at worst keep you honest from 3 and at best be red hot from 3 at least a handful of games. So yes he probably now makes next year at best a repeat of this previous year instead of a season with real NCAA hope. That doesn't even annoy you a little as a big SJ fan? As Joe Biden would say....come on man. It's also the way LJ left clearly tampered with by other programs and on top of all that we lost out on 2 guys we could've had as replacements because he waited. We will see how CMA fares and he's still doing well in my book, but I hope this isn't just going to be more of the same 1 step forward 2 steps back we're all way too used to.[/quote]
I wish he stayed. But, make a 3 consistently?
His value next year was 1000% based on him fitting in...not taking over...he is not a lead dog, but could have had a big year on a young team...he had a good nose for the ball, but was not a good defensive player...couldn’t stay in front of his man...I hope beyond hope that he changes his mind because he is a big piece but I don't think he wants to be a piece which is exactly what he will be if he goes anywhere decent.
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JackofVirginia
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[quote="MarkRedman" post=387992]At St John's, LJ can be "the man" on a team that could go to the NCAA's
If he looks to go to a more successful program, he won't be "the man" anymore
He'll be the second, third or fourth option on such a team
I don't see how that enhances his chances of getting drafted next year
It would not behoove LJ to transfer IMO[/quote]
I may be wrong but doesn't he have to sit out a year.unless he secures a waiver. Most of our concerns was worrying about his age thus expecting him to go pro not transfer and sit a year.
If he looks to go to a more successful program, he won't be "the man" anymore
He'll be the second, third or fourth option on such a team
I don't see how that enhances his chances of getting drafted next year
It would not behoove LJ to transfer IMO[/quote]
I may be wrong but doesn't he have to sit out a year.unless he secures a waiver. Most of our concerns was worrying about his age thus expecting him to go pro not transfer and sit a year.
Class of 72
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He will need a waiver unless his grandmother is sick or something close to his home is an issue due to Covid but NCAA has not issued any global waiver to sitting out unless I missed something. LJ has now played this game twice with Anderson. Fool me once, yada, yada..........don't let the door his your ass on the way out. He can take his awkward shot and attitude elsewhere.
Over analyzing these decisions never looks good over a keyboard. Couldn’t there be a chance he just decided he didn’t want to be at St. John’s anymore? Yea it sucks and no one liked LJ more than me. But this is just a college kid who transferred.
When another player from another school does the same tomorrow we will all be in line to grab him up.
When another player from another school does the same tomorrow we will all be in line to grab him up.
[quote="Rob" post=388357][quote="Paultzman" post=388346]St. John's transfer L.J. Figueroa has heard from a number of schools, sources told ESPN, including:
Memphis
Texas Tech
Arkansas
Dayton
Ohio State
Oregon
Georgia Tech
Samford
UCLA
Auburn
Per Jeff Borzello[/quote]
Where is Nebraska on that list? I wouldn't put it past that sleeze-bag from being in LJ's ear since February 2019 while still be paid by us as an AC.[/quote]
Matt left St Johns for Nebraska of his own volition before Chris left. He stopped getting paid by STJ that day I would assume.
Never mind I see you said Feb 19. So Matt was playing the very long game. Got it.
Memphis
Texas Tech
Arkansas
Dayton
Ohio State
Oregon
Georgia Tech
Samford
UCLA
Auburn
Per Jeff Borzello[/quote]
Where is Nebraska on that list? I wouldn't put it past that sleeze-bag from being in LJ's ear since February 2019 while still be paid by us as an AC.[/quote]
Matt left St Johns for Nebraska of his own volition before Chris left. He stopped getting paid by STJ that day I would assume.
Never mind I see you said Feb 19. So Matt was playing the very long game. Got it.
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[quote="dee" post=388393]If LJ goes to texas tech I hope there is some way we can hold him to sitting out for a year. This would be the 2nd player they stole from us. Tarik Turner being the other.[/quote]
Tarik isn't going to be working BE games for Fox anymore?
Tarik isn't going to be working BE games for Fox anymore?
[quote="dee" post=388393]If LJ goes to texas tech I hope there is some way we can hold him to sitting out for a year. This would be the 2nd player they stole from us. Tarik Turner being the other.[/quote]
I think Tarik played all four years at St. John's, but that was some time ago. Is this more Dee fake news?
I think Tarik played all four years at St. John's, but that was some time ago. Is this more Dee fake news?
[quote="MarkRedman" post=388369][quote="Paultzman" post=388346]St. John's transfer L.J. Figueroa has heard from a number of schools, sources told ESPN, including:
Memphis
Texas Tech
Arkansas
Dayton
Ohio State
Oregon
Georgia Tech
Samford
UCLA
Auburn
Per Jeff Borzello[/quote]
It's be a real bitch if he goes to TT, gets a waiver, and plays against us next season[/quote]
For him
Memphis
Texas Tech
Arkansas
Dayton
Ohio State
Oregon
Georgia Tech
Samford
UCLA
Auburn
Per Jeff Borzello[/quote]
It's be a real bitch if he goes to TT, gets a waiver, and plays against us next season[/quote]
For him
redmen4life
Well-known member
don't know how credible he is, but.....
would explain why this took so long... LJ was looking to lock up the credits/make sure he got the grades to transfer....
RL
@RavishinRUde
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May 26
LJ has been taking extra courses and will most likely be a grad transfer.
LJ has been taking extra courses and will most likely be a grad transfer.— RL (@RavishinRUde) May 26, 2020
would explain why this took so long... LJ was looking to lock up the credits/make sure he got the grades to transfer....
RL
@RavishinRUde
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May 26
LJ has been taking extra courses and will most likely be a grad transfer.
LJ has been taking extra courses and will most likely be a grad transfer.— RL (@RavishinRUde) May 26, 2020
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redmen4life
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guinness77
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I don’t want my first post in months to be a negative one so I’ll just leave it at that.
[quote="dee" post=388393]If LJ goes to texas tech I hope there is some way we can hold him to sitting out for a year. This would be the 2nd player they stole from us. Tarik Turner being the other.[/quote] You mean Tariq Owens.
left for a better program, which worked out well for him. Also don’t remember him waiting till the end of May.
left for a better program, which worked out well for him. Also don’t remember him waiting till the end of May.
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