Kadary

Jack Williams said:
But who expected him to replicate those numbers? Fans?Annoying thing about the NIL era is we hear about the price tag and automatically expect his seton hall numbers to translate. That’s not how it works

His usage% is down significantly from last season. Seton hall did not have RJ Luis, Devion Smith, Zuby level players on their team last year. Kadary was asked to handle way more of the workload and his numbers reflected that.

Yea the FT% is concerning but if you expected Kadary to just be plugged into a better lineup and have the same averages as last season that’s kind of on you, no?
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You expected the #1 player in the portal to come to St. John's and just be a 4th option type?
 
paultzman said:
In simplest terms, Kadary is valuable, has some flaws like every player has, but he has to improve in certain areas like FT shooting, all out effort on 50/50 balls and imo on ball defending. Do that we will all be happy. No one is looking for “All Everything” stats.

Smith has corrected some early warts, so it is fair to expect Kadary to do likewise. Having three guards who can make plays on both ends of court and perform well consistently is such a plus and puts pressure on opponents game planning. Hopefully we see that soon with some hiccups of course.
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100%
 
SJUDave said:
You expected the #1 player in the portal to come to St. John's and just be a 4th option type?
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he’s second on the team in FGA per game, and tied for 3rd on the team in PPG?

His usage is down from last year, he’s a willing passer and on a better team than 2023-24 seton hall. It’s not surprising to me. But it’s not like he isn’t contributing or isn’t a top option on the team

I get the frustration, as there are things he needs to improve, but I don’t think a portal ranking or his seton hall stats should be the bar for whether or not he’s playing poorly. It’s a new situation, new team, new system.

He can be better but don’t think he’s been playing poorly either.
 
My guess is that Kadary is having trouble adjusting to the steep usage decline he’s seeing on a team with far more viable options. He hasn’t had to defer to others this much since his Freshman season at Syracuse. Kadary is obviously better with the ball in his hands but he’s playing with Smith and Luis who are the same so there’s definitely an adjustment that needs to be made there
 
hardytime said:
You are right, but I also consider the difference in the rosters. Richmond was a very talented kid who finally broke out last year. His game this year isn't altogether that different than last. But on the Hall he had the ball in his hands constantly, either operating off PNR or the occasional designed post-up. You don't exactly have an offensive genius coaching over there in South Orange (like Sha, but let's be real). So, the offense was let Richmond have it all the time, and using his passing ability or ability to draw help to feed someone like Dawes or Dre Davis for better looks. Or, when Richmond needed a blow, it was lots of isolation for Dre Davis or PNR for Dawes, who had an excellent year shooting.

He's being asked to play in a different system, with other kids who can handle the ball and make plays.

He's also deferential by nature, and always has been. I'm fine with him not forcing it and playing in the context of team basketball.

He's below the expectations set by some, but for me, having watched him play a lot, he looks like the same guy except at the free throw line, where he is inexplicably significantly below his career average (which was probably close to 75% coming into the season). I don't know the reason for that. I do know that last year he changed his jump shot, and it led to a dramatic drop in his percentages compared to his prior seasons at Cuse and Seton Hall (he was 27% from 3 last year although he took his most attempts ever). Folks are joking that it is because Pitino and the staff have tinkered with his jump shot, but they are far more qualified than me to know if that's better in the long run or not.

He's always been a "fill the box score" kind of guy more than a dominant scorer. I do think he can be a weapon in close games with the midrange or at the rim. We'll see.

Besides the FT %, he looks "looser" with the ball than in the past. But I don't know if that's because I'm watching every play now, as opposed to parts of different games in the past.
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Great post
 
hardytime said:
You are right, but I also consider the difference in the rosters. Richmond was a very talented kid who finally broke out last year. His game this year isn't altogether that different than last. But on the Hall he had the ball in his hands constantly, either operating off PNR or the occasional designed post-up. You don't exactly have an offensive genius coaching over there in South Orange (like Sha, but let's be real). So, the offense was let Richmond have it all the time, and using his passing ability or ability to draw help to feed someone like Dawes or Dre Davis for better looks. Or, when Richmond needed a blow, it was lots of isolation for Dre Davis or PNR for Dawes, who had an excellent year shooting.

He's being asked to play in a different system, with other kids who can handle the ball and make plays.

He's also deferential by nature, and always has been. I'm fine with him not forcing it and playing in the context of team basketball.

He's below the expectations set by some, but for me, having watched him play a lot, he looks like the same guy except at the free throw line, where he is inexplicably significantly below his career average (which was probably close to 75% coming into the season). I don't know the reason for that. I do know that last year he changed his jump shot, and it led to a dramatic drop in his percentages compared to his prior seasons at Cuse and Seton Hall (he was 27% from 3 last year although he took his most attempts ever). Folks are joking that it is because Pitino and the staff have tinkered with his jump shot, but they are far more qualified than me to know if that's better in the long run or not.

He's always been a "fill the box score" kind of guy more than a dominant scorer. I do think he can be a weapon in close games with the midrange or at the rim. We'll see.

Besides the FT %, he looks "looser" with the ball than in the past. But I don't know if that's because I'm watching every play now, as opposed to parts of different games in the past.
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His playing 2 less mpg.
He's taking 3 less shots per game. That said he's actually shooting better from the field this year compared to any previous year.
From 3 he's even more atrocious than last year. All summer we heard how he's a jump shot away from the NBA and he actually went backwards.
His FT shooting is confounding. 2 less FT's a game and not even 50% when he's aways been between 70-80%.
He's still dishing the rock at a good 4-5 apg.

I get he went from being THE man on Hall to a piece in the SJU puzzle. The lackadaisical moments are likely putting shade over the rest, but for someone who came in with much anticipation its been quite alarming how he's arguably the 4th or 5th option on the team.
 
NCJohnnie said:
Free throws are mostly concentration and confidence. I’m pretty sure Kadary, Deivon and Zuby will all wind up somewhere between 60-70%. As far as Kadary and outside shooting I’d prefer to see him not taking shots much beyond the foul line.
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Would have to go 53-64 to get him to 70% for 100 free throw attempts
 
KenPom shows Kadary having a 48.5% effective field goal percentage (gives more weight to 3 pointers) which is the highest of his career. It’s the lowest of the top 6 players on the team. If he can return to his average 3 point shooting he will be one of our most efficient scorers.

In addition, KenPom also shows comparative players based on their stats and the comparison is to our old friend Justin Simon specifically his final year in 2019. I think that’s a great comparison honestly. A do it all guard who fills up the box score but never feeling good when he is shooting a 3. If only he could match Simon’s defensive output.

I think Amase is correct in saying he isn’t playing poorly at all. He just isn’t playing up to expectations that us fans set whether that is fair or not. If we consistently made outside shots then his numbers would look even better. Higher assists and open up more lanes for him to drive.

I think we should all understand that a lack of sprinting is not a lack of hustle. Deivon is averaging .4 more steals a game and he is sprinting everywhere. Everyone has a different game and style, it might not be your flavor but he isn’t playing bad and is actually playing very well.
 
rlogazino said:
KenPom shows Kadary having a 48.5% effective field goal percentage (gives more weight to 3 pointers) which is the highest of his career. It’s the lowest of the top 6 players on the team. If he can return to his average 3 point shooting he will be one of our most efficient scorers.

In addition, KenPom also shows comparative players based on their stats and the comparison is to our old friend Justin Simon specifically his final year in 2019. I think that’s a great comparison honestly. A do it all guard who fills up the box score but never feeling good when he is shooting a 3. If only he could match Simon’s defensive output.

I think Amase is correct in saying he isn’t playing poorly at all. He just isn’t playing up to expectations that us fans set whether that is fair or not. If we consistently made outside shots then his numbers would look even better. Higher assists and open up more lanes for him to drive.

I think we should all understand that a lack of sprinting is not a lack of hustle. Deivon is averaging .4 more steals a game and he is sprinting everywhere. Everyone has a different game and style, it might not be your flavor but he isn’t playing bad and is actually playing very well.
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yeah but you have to look at things that don't show up in the first four columns on a stat sheet (not to mention things that don't show up on a stat sheet at all) to understand that.

Or you have to figure that Pitino isn't playing useless slugs 30 MPG, what does he know anyway, it isn't like he's trying to win games or anything
 
I like the can Dunlap shoot or not discussion much better than Kadary is playing well despite the fact he can’t shoot and doesn’t hustle debate.
 
Moose said:
His playing 2 less mpg.
He's taking 3 less shots per game. That said he's actually shooting better from the field this year compared to any previous year.
From 3 he's even more atrocious than last year. All summer we heard how he's a jump shot away from the NBA and he actually went backwards.
His FT shooting is confounding. 2 less FT's a game and not even 50% when he's aways been between 70-80%.
He's still dishing the rock at a good 4-5 apg.

I get he went from being THE man on Hall to a piece in the SJU puzzle. The lackadaisical moments are likely putting shade over the rest, but for someone who came in with much anticipation its been quite alarming how he's arguably the 4th or 5th option on the team.
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The lackadaisical stuff can be frustrating. I get it. And I get the performance v expectations some had preseason.

I expect the FT shooting to improve because it’s such an outlier. We will see if the handle and other stuff does.

Him being a 4th or even 5th scoring option doesn’t bother me because of everything else he brings to the table. I’ve posted before but he reminds me of Artest in how he can impact various parts of a game, even though he isn’t as good as Artest. There were moments during the 98-99 and 99-00 teams where there were 3 or 4 guys on the floor with Artest who were the better scoring option in a given game.
 
Kadary is not a bad player, he hasn't been bad this year. He just hasn't been top 3 guy in the portal good / impactful yet / on a consistent basis. Does he turn it on for conference play, hopefully. I'm looking forward to it happening on a game in and game out basis. Creighton doesn't have many players who I'd think could give Kadary fits. Ashworth is 6'0 and should have his hands full with Sim and Deivon. I assume Jamaya Neal gets the first Kadary assignment, he's Creighton's 3rd leading scorer now without Pop. Aggressive Kadary should be ale to get him into some foul trouble and try to neutralize one of their scoring weapons.

Kadary was great vs DePaul because he was getting down hill. That's where he's at his best. Obviously will have to manage how to do that with that tree Kalkbrenner in the paint but it could help create options for everything around KR.
 
Aside from the price tag I don’t get the negativity about kadary. Even with the poor stats with free throws and 3 point shooting he has brough a lot to the table to help our team win. Wait for those numbers to self correct then so much more better he will be. But he’s been good at doing a lot of things.

If you thought he was coming in to be our leading scorer then that’s a misjudgment on your part. His 10 ppg should climb to to 12-14 by years end.
 
Eric said:
Aside from the price tag I don’t get the negativity about kadary. Even with the poor stats with free throws and 3 point shooting he has brough a lot to the table to help our team win. Wait for those numbers to self correct then so much more better he will be. But he’s been good at doing a lot of things.

If you thought he was coming in to be our leading scorer then that’s a misjudgment on your part. His 10 ppg should climb to to 12-14 by years end.
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I expected him to play hard and shoot free throws better than Shaq did. Don’t think those were ridiculous expectations.
On other hand Smith even better than I hoped so hitting. 500 with transfers.
 
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