Larry Wright
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Kadary
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I can think of a half dozen SJU teams since I’ve been a fan where any one of Smith, Luis, Richmond or Zuby could be considered the best player on the roster. We have a super talented group.
RJ is 5th in league in scoring. Zuby 13th. Wilcher is at this point almost exclusively a scorer. We havnt needed Kadary or Smith to be scorers and they are still getting us 11 a game!
There is only one other BE team who has 2 guys averaging at least 4.5 assists. Thats not easy, and requires sacrifice.
If kadary was scoring 14 points, shooting 30% from 3, with the same numbers everywhere else, would that make any difference as to the team we will be moving forward? I just don’t think his play has been worthy of as much criticism as it has gotten. Fair argument he isn’t worthy of the money he got, but ridiculous IMO to say we’d be fine without him.
RJ is 5th in league in scoring. Zuby 13th. Wilcher is at this point almost exclusively a scorer. We havnt needed Kadary or Smith to be scorers and they are still getting us 11 a game!
There is only one other BE team who has 2 guys averaging at least 4.5 assists. Thats not easy, and requires sacrifice.
If kadary was scoring 14 points, shooting 30% from 3, with the same numbers everywhere else, would that make any difference as to the team we will be moving forward? I just don’t think his play has been worthy of as much criticism as it has gotten. Fair argument he isn’t worthy of the money he got, but ridiculous IMO to say we’d be fine without him.
Larry Wright
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He doesn’t play hard
Heard anyone say otherwise?
Larry Wright
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That kind of a big deal
Anything else can be overlooked
And that’s a fair concern
I think where I’ve landed on Kadary is there were a lot of expectations for him coming here but I don’t necessarily think he’s been all that much different from what he’s been at other schools (aside from the severe dip in FT% and lower usage rate)
He’s been disappointing compared to his expectations. Absolutely. But he still does things we need and are going to need moving forward.
I do think the concerns about him are valid. For example he often can’t stay in front of his man and he can’t hit free throws. Those are two things that will get you glued to the bench in crunch time of close games. He has to fix those things or else he is going to continue to piss off fans
Larry Wright
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He is going to lose a game at FT line and that is forgivable. If we lose a game because a loose ball is spinning around his feet as people are diving for it, then it is going to be a problem on here.
In simplest terms, Kadary is valuable, has some flaws like every player has, but he has to improve in certain areas like FT shooting, all out effort on 50/50 balls and imo on ball defending. Do that we will all be happy. No one is looking for “All Everything” stats.
Smith has corrected some early warts, so it is fair to expect Kadary to do likewise. Having three guards who can make plays on both ends of court and perform well consistently is such a plus and puts pressure on opponents game planning. Hopefully we see that soon with some hiccups of course.
Smith has corrected some early warts, so it is fair to expect Kadary to do likewise. Having three guards who can make plays on both ends of court and perform well consistently is such a plus and puts pressure on opponents game planning. Hopefully we see that soon with some hiccups of course.
Would be great for 1 of the beat writers to ask RP about the skills development/concerns re: Kadary’s shooting - and specifically his FT shooting which has not been an issue in the past.
I am hoping he fixes the things we are all talking about but agree 100% that there are multiple areas in which is doing fine. I love how he gets to the basket almost at will
Larry Wright
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I can see him improving his FT shooting. If someone doesn’t hustle, don’t see that as something that gets corrected. To me that is something you do it don’t.
You could be right, but we’ll see.
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If his FT dramatically (over 65% by year end) improves the rest of that will be a miracle. Something is broken and trying to totally undo that over the next 10 weeks of BE gauntlet will be a very hard.
If I was Kadary’s shooting coach I’d tell him when he shoots an outside jumper try and miss it as badly as you can and it just might go in.
Larry Wright
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Looks like that is what he is doingIf I was Kadary’s shooting coach I’d tell him when he shoots an outside jumper try and miss it as badly as you can and it just might go in.
I think we will see Kadary settle in the same Dingle did last year. I believe it will happen, I just hope it doesn’t take as long.
Moose
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Shouldnt be the case for someone who already played years in the BE at a high level.
braintrust
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Each one of those issues is an "effort" or "hustle" issue. He's not being asked to block shots or do things he is not physically capable of doing.
But, playing defense, which he doesn't do, fighting for loose balls, which he doesn't do, and free throw shooting, which he doesn't do well...all three are correctable with attitude and effort...which he hasn't shown.
Free throws are mostly concentration and confidence. I’m pretty sure Kadary, Deivon and Zuby will all wind up somewhere between 60-70%. As far as Kadary and outside shooting I’d prefer to see him not taking shots much beyond the foul line.
You are right, but I also consider the difference in the rosters. Richmond was a very talented kid who finally broke out last year. His game this year isn't altogether that different than last. But on the Hall he had the ball in his hands constantly, either operating off PNR or the occasional designed post-up. You don't exactly have an offensive genius coaching over there in South Orange (like Sha, but let's be real). So, the offense was let Richmond have it all the time, and using his passing ability or ability to draw help to feed someone like Dawes or Dre Davis for better looks. Or, when Richmond needed a blow, it was lots of isolation for Dre Davis or PNR for Dawes, who had an excellent year shooting.
He's being asked to play in a different system, with other kids who can handle the ball and make plays.
He's also deferential by nature, and always has been. I'm fine with him not forcing it and playing in the context of team basketball.
He's below the expectations set by some, but for me, having watched him play a lot, he looks like the same guy except at the free throw line, where he is inexplicably significantly below his career average (which was probably close to 75% coming into the season). I don't know the reason for that. I do know that last year he changed his jump shot, and it led to a dramatic drop in his percentages compared to his prior seasons at Cuse and Seton Hall (he was 27% from 3 last year although he took his most attempts ever). Folks are joking that it is because Pitino and the staff have tinkered with his jump shot, but they are far more qualified than me to know if that's better in the long run or not.
He's always been a "fill the box score" kind of guy more than a dominant scorer. I do think he can be a weapon in close games with the midrange or at the rim. We'll see.
Besides the FT %, he looks "looser" with the ball than in the past. But I don't know if that's because I'm watching every play now, as opposed to parts of different games in the past.