Lets turn this into a "we should switch leagues to the SWAC"
Julian Draft Spots
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The league looks for "develop-able" players
Unfortunately the more you try and prove yourself the more it potentially hurts your chances
people in Philly are thrilled with his pickup, based on this analysis of his collegiate career:
Champagnie was one of the class' most overlooked prospects after an impressive three-year career with the Red Storm. He compiled a 109.2 offensive rating and 97.7 defensive rating across 88 appearances (81 starts) at the college level, according to Sports Reference.
The 6'6'' wing, who's the twin brother of Toronto Raptors forward Justin Champagnie, has all the tools to quickly become an effective two-way role player at the NBA level, and it wouldn't be a surprise to see him develop into a starter for Philadelphia over time.
His offensive game has evolved to the point where he's able to score in a variety of ways, which is important since his three-point shot can be a little streaky, and he's got the length and quickness to guard multiple positions at the defensive end.
The NBA looks for a certain set of criteria in selecting Players . Size , Length , Wing Span , Speed , etc . And , they have those standards for every position . Also , they estimate the Potential of the Player to improve . I would say the BE does better than ok in the NCAA tourney every year , judging by past accomplishments . And , who can forget the Knicks choosing Frederick Weis of France instead of Ron Artest . So the NBA isn’t infallible in drafting players . Another example is Max Strus on the Miami Heat , from DePaul. A undrafted player who wound up as significant contributor this season .
The other factor is that for the most part the BE schools are fairly highly ranked as it relates to Academics . I would say some of the State Schools might have lower standards for Admission . Kids who want to earn a Degree and build a foundation for life after BB will certainly get a quality education at every BE school . And , if you aren’t a One and Done player , spending 4 years and earning a quality degree might be the best thing for them .
I never read anything by this guy Maxwell Baumbach, but it seems, to me at least, to be a pretty fair analysis of Julian's game.
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In the end, I think the intangibles of Champ's desire and work ethic should pay off for him.
Julian Champagnie and the Power of the Jump Shot | The Prospect Overview
Julian Champagnie is a long-range bomber and solid team defender, but has been haunted by concerns about his athleticism. Can he stick in the NBA? Plus: Portsmouth Invitational coverage and more!
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In the end, I think the intangibles of Champ's desire and work ethic should pay off for him.
Rocket
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Maybe you missed the memo but he did declare last season, got injured and was sent back to first base because he was guaranteed to not get drafted.
The unpleasant reality is he was not 6'8.
The unpleasant reality is he had a mediocre junior year in comparison to every player drafted at his position.
The unpleasant reality is was less than creative with the ball in his hands.
The unpleasant reality is he was the quintessential 4 year player who could have turned it around inyear four since he was developing slowly in comparison to the super freshmen and sophomores in the draft.
Now he has to toil at a lower marketing level and still risk injury.
The reality is the NBA is saturated with career players with guaranteed contracts that make it harder for younger players to get drafted who are not the 5 star level players that routinely spend just 1 or 2 years at high paying NIL factories like Kentucky, Kansas, Duke, North Carolina, etc.
Finally, foreign players are developing quickly to make it even harder for the Champagnie of college basketball to become career pros.
Those players need to have more global ambition and make career choices that involve earning a university degree because in Europe you are not considered too old by the time you are 24 to be a long term basketball player.
Johnny Rapper
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Glad you agree with me on the experience factor.
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Plenty of kids prove themselves worthy in college, but a lot more prove themselves the opposite. There's not that many jobs to go around, and even less that matter. NBA teams can find end of the bench guys anywhere so of course they look to find needles in a haystack om the draft. Everything about playing in the NBA is how high is your ceiling. If it's not higher than everyone else why should they bother.
The one big east player drafted along with Champ, Cole, Lewis and Gillespie could probably give the Duke one and done players a decent game today because of the big east players maturity.
In a year or two the Duke players would wipe them out. The NBA draft is based on potential and the longer you stay in college you drop in the NBAs evaluation.
In a year or two the Duke players would wipe them out. The NBA draft is based on potential and the longer you stay in college you drop in the NBAs evaluation.
We all Love Julian for his contribution at SJU but no one should be surprised he went undrafted, I know I certainly am not. I wish him all the very best and hope to see him in the big league one day and hope he has a long , productive, rewarding career wherever it may be.
Johnny Rapper
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When I read a comment that a poster thinks that Julian should have stayed in the draft last year, here's where I think that poster is missing the point. Julian did not get picked in the draft cause he didn't have a stellar season, it was his performance at the NBA compounds where players who are considered marginal NBA prospects are evaluated. Thats why many times, little known college players end up on NBA rosters.
Great post redman north We love Julian for his contribution to Sju but if you’ve watched all the games The result is not surprising
I am hoping he gets called up next season and shows everyone he belongs
I was not at all surprised and this is better than getting drafted in the later part of the 2nd round (All those foreign players drafted late will never see the NBA). I think that Philadelphia is a good situation for JC. They do not have a ton of roster depth and don't have any room under the salary cap. I do think that JC's shooting drop this year lead to him not getting drafted. However, his improvement across the board in this athletic measurables at the combine is a very positive trend in his biggest weakness. I think his role in the NBA is as a floor spacer and to be versatile (and at least average) defensively. Every team is looking for guys that are 6' 8" and shoot. If Max Strus can play in the NBA than JC certainly can.
Except he's not 6'8"
No he is 6' 7.75" in shoes ( which is how the NBA records heights). Also his standing reach was 8' 11" which was relatively high. Everybody above him was taller than he was (in shoes).
The reality is it doesnt matter what school one goes to. If you can ball or have the size and athleticism they crave, the league will find you. Case in point #1 is Jalen Williams from Santa Clara who was drafted #12 overall. He was drafted higher than Steve Nash, who only went #15, He got very little exposure playing there. But, he performed well at the pro days and shot up the draft board. Or look at the draftee from UCLA who went in the late first round, the guy hardly played at all at UCLA. I had never heard of him.
Rocket
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The teams measure you with and without heightening sneakers!
He is barely a half inch taller than his TWIN brother Justin.
Champagnie measured at 6-6.25 without shoes and 212 pounds at the NBA draft combine.
Stop with the height debate. He was never 6'8" but it looked good on the SJ roster. Maybe the day he was measured he wore 2 pair of socks with his sneakers.
I hope he gets to play some BB for Philadelphia and improves his overall game. Barring injury he could play many years of international BB.
Its*Over*Johnny
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Does Theo John have dirt on somebody? First Coach K wants him and now the Timberwolves sign him! He wasn't at all good at the college level...I just don't get it.