Jordan Done

Uggh... To tell you the truth, I don't buy 10% of this sappy stuff about Jordan going back and forth to care for his family. I know he's had some horrible stuff happen to him, seen death of people close to him, some violently, but I don't buy for one second that he was back home caring for younger siblings, as inferred in some posts. Do you think the birthday party he was planning for himself in Philly was with was with party hats and pin the tail on the donkey with his little brothers and sisters? At SJU was he surrounded by his younger sibling all the time who came to see him play? What I recall were reports of some pretty shaky guys he hung around with almost exclusively who came to NY to hang with him.

That's not to give any support to people who wish him badly. I think that many/most of us dealt the same hand of cards in life would not even done as much as he has with them. The odds were against him, and so far, he's failed. Maybe he lacks the inner fortitude of Harrison to persevere in the worst of times, or even to want a college degree. Maybe he lacks the type of grandparents the D'Angelo has who flew to New York to plead his case with Lavin, and likely also get in his face about his behavior.

But all in all, even if Jordan contributed to his own woes here, I just wish him well, hopes he points himself in the right direction, and has a helluva basketball career.
 
Uggh... To tell you the truth, I don't buy 10% of this sappy stuff about Jordan going back and forth to care for his family. I know he's had some horrible stuff happen to him, seen death of people close to him, some violently, but I don't buy for one second that he was back home caring for younger siblings, as inferred in some posts. Do you think the birthday party he was planning for himself in Philly was with was with party hats and pin the tail on the donkey with his little brothers and sisters? At SJU was he surrounded by his younger sibling all the time who came to see him play? What I recall were reports of some pretty shaky guys he hung around with almost exclusively who came to NY to hang with him.

That's not to give any support to people who wish him badly. I think that many/most of us dealt the same hand of cards in life would not even done as much as he has with them. The odds were against him, and so far, he's failed. Maybe he lacks the inner fortitude of Harrison to persevere in the worst of times, or even to want a college degree. Maybe he lacks the type of grandparents the D'Angelo has who flew to New York to plead his case with Lavin, and likely also get in his face about his behavior.

But all in all, even if Jordan contributed to his own woes here, I just wish him well, hopes he points himself in the right direction, and has a helluva basketball career.
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Thanks Beast for your reflections.
It's difficult to really put oneself in Mr. Jordan's shoes. Tough times, tougher background = not so easy to overcome. Most do not. Some do. I hope RJ is in the latter group.

All the best to this young man and to this apparently even emotionally younger man.
Perhaps we've beaten this topic enough and now each party should go in peace, go their respective separate ways.
 
Mods, please delete "dad's" post. It's pretty shameful and embarrassing.
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Why is your reaction to something you dont approve of always censorship?

I disagree with dad too. But he didn't insult another poster personalky, and he didn't use profanity. This isn't a booster club. The message boards aren't a part of the university. Let him say what he wants.
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Can't you see why? Get a pair of glasses. It's simple. Despite not using "profanity" nor being directed at another "poster", it is mean-spirited and unnecessary. It's a shameful and embarrassing post. Despite what you say, this is associated with the University. No one that wants to be associated with the University (or this forum for that matter, if I may be so bold to speak for it) should stand for that kind of thing. It's a joke how bad it is and should be deleted.
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II hear what you're saying BK, but if the mods start removing every post that's mean-spirited and unnecessary, they would likely have to spend their every waking hour deleting posts. Besides that , you really think that anyone, let alone a recruit, gives a rat's ass that one anonymous poster on this site doesn't wish one of our ex-players luck in the future?
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Agreed on all points. I know that recruits won't necessarily take into account a rogue poster's troll message. Agreed that Mods can't waste time deleting idiotic posts. I was just trying to drive a point home. I could have just have responded with "This is an idiotic post," .., but I went a different route.
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Understood bk.
we're on the same page then. I don't see why anyone would wish this young man ill-will. And it's classless to do so.


I just want to preserve the right of people to say idiotic things on here.
 
And without delving into each situation, I totally agree with Beast. His unfortunate personal situation clouded a lot of the poor decisions he was making off the court I imagine.
 
Uggh... To tell you the truth, I don't buy 10% of this sappy stuff about Jordan going back and forth to care for his family. I know he's had some horrible stuff happen to him, seen death of people close to him, some violently, but I don't buy for one second that he was back home caring for younger siblings, as inferred in some posts. Do you think the birthday party he was planning for himself in Philly was with was with party hats and pin the tail on the donkey with his little brothers and sisters? At SJU was he surrounded by his younger sibling all the time who came to see him play? What I recall were reports of some pretty shaky guys he hung around with almost exclusively who came to NY to hang with him.

That's not to give any support to people who wish him badly. I think that many/most of us dealt the same hand of cards in life would not even done as much as he has with them. The odds were against him, and so far, he's failed. Maybe he lacks the inner fortitude of Harrison to persevere in the worst of times, or even to want a college degree. Maybe he lacks the type of grandparents the D'Angelo has who flew to New York to plead his case with Lavin, and likely also get in his face about his behavior.

But all in all, even if Jordan contributed to his own woes here, I just wish him well, hopes he points himself in the right direction, and has a helluva basketball career.
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I agree with all you're saying beast, but I would stop short of saying the kid has failed. I would call him a work in progress and give him an "incomplete" for the time being. As we all know, RJ grew up under very difficult circumstances and has probably been given a lot of passes in his young life due to his exceptional basketball skills. Well now he's entering the real world where he's not going to get by on just his skills. Maybe, and hopefully, a dose of the real world will cause him to realize that if he wants to succeed he's going to have to make a whole lot of sacrifices. And one of the first things he's going to have to sacrifice are the bad influences in his life. Time will tell. I wish him the best.
 
Lavin recruited some guys with dicey backgrounds. Mullin won't. Amen I say to you.
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All coaches recruit players with so called "dicey" backgrounds, Mullin will not be an exception. A lot of the transfers Fred Hoiberg and Matt A. recruited to Iowa State had so called "dicey" backgrounds, but when given a second chance took advantage of the opportunity.
Let's get one thing straight, Mullin is here to win and will recruit players who can help him win. I believe that if he recruits a player with a so called "dicey" background, he will make sure that player has an adequate support system while he is at St. Johns.
 
Lavin recruited some guys with dicey backgrounds. Mullin won't. Amen I say to you.
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All coaches recruit players with so called "dicey" backgrounds, Mullin will not be an exception. A lot of the transfers Fred Hoiberg and Matt A. recruited to Iowa State had so called "dicey" backgrounds, but when given a second chance took advantage of the opportunity.
Let's get one thing straight, Mullin is here to win and will recruit players who can help him win. I believe that if he recruits a player with a so called "dicey" background, he will make sure that player has an adequate support system while he is at St. Johns.
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I believe Lavin had controls in place, as evidenced by his seniors graduating on time and being serious about their academics. Players must always must do their part, and their isn't a HONEST system in the world that will keep a player eligible if he doesn't
 
Lavin recruited some guys with dicey backgrounds. Mullin won't. Amen I say to you.
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It's not that simple.
I give Lavin a ton of sh*t. Which I think he deserves. But he didn't recruit kids with "dicey" backgrounds. He recruited potential college athletes. And like it or not, not all of them come from a two parent household in the suburbs and have kept their nose clean for 16+ years.
Some guys come from really unfortunate situations, others have been in a fight, or have struggled in school.
That's OK in my eyes. Lavin recruited high-quality kids for the most part. He also had to fill a lot of scholarships at once, and was trying to turn this into a winning program.
If I fault his recruiting at all, it's for how it fell off at the end, and for the academic risks he took under the circumstances, with guys like ADR and Keith Thomas when we absolutely needed a big man who would be eligible.

But I don't find any fault in the type of kids Lavin recruited. They'll be no different from the kids Mullin goes after.
 
Lavin recruited some guys with dicey backgrounds. Mullin won't. Amen I say to you.
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It's not that simple.
I give Lavin a ton of sh*t. Which I think he deserves. But he didn't recruit kids with "dicey" backgrounds. He recruited potential college athletes. And like it or not, not all of them come from a two parent household in the suburbs and have kept their nose clean for 16+ years.
Some guys come from really unfortunate situations, others have been in a fight, or have struggled in school.
That's OK in my eyes. Lavin recruited high-quality kids for the most part. He also had to fill a lot of scholarships at once, and was trying to turn this into a winning program.
If I fault his recruiting at all, it's for how it fell off at the end, and for the academic risks he took under the circumstances, with guys like ADR and Keith Thomas when we absolutely needed a big man who would be eligible.

But I don't find any fault in the type of kids Lavin recruited. They'll be no different from the kids Mullin goes after.
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I agree. Some of these kids come from dicey background and work out great in college. Look at all the great game Ron Artest played for SJU. He went a bit off the deep end in the NBA, but was nothing but a hard working player for us.
 
Lavin recruited some guys with dicey backgrounds. Mullin won't. Amen I say to you.
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It's not that simple.
I give Lavin a ton of sh*t. Which I think he deserves. But he didn't recruit kids with "dicey" backgrounds. He recruited potential college athletes. And like it or not, not all of them come from a two parent household in the suburbs and have kept their nose clean for 16+ years.
Some guys come from really unfortunate situations, others have been in a fight, or have struggled in school.
That's OK in my eyes. Lavin recruited high-quality kids for the most part. He also had to fill a lot of scholarships at once, and was trying to turn this into a winning program.
If I fault his recruiting at all, it's for how it fell off at the end, and for the academic risks he took under the circumstances, with guys like ADR and Keith Thomas when we absolutely needed a big man who would be eligible.

But I don't find any fault in the type of kids Lavin recruited. They'll be no different from the kids Mullin goes after.
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Yes. Sometimes you need to take chances in order to bring in talent. If Sheed was an honors student he would have went to Duke. Durand Johnson's background is questionable but the talent makes him worth the shot for one year. Lovett's grades are in question but again the talent warrants signing him.

We have always done this(Jakkar, Glover, Showtime, etc.) and always will to some extent. Just need the proper balance.
 
@____whynot: Everybody who really concerned about my career that want to know my next move will hear about it real soon
 
Lavin recruited some guys with dicey backgrounds. Mullin won't. Amen I say to you.
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It's not that simple.
I give Lavin a ton of sh*t. Which I think he deserves. But he didn't recruit kids with "dicey" backgrounds.
He recruited potential college athletes. And like it or not, not all of them come from a two parent household in the suburbs and have kept their nose clean for 16+ years.
Some guys come from really unfortunate situations, others have been in a fight, or have struggled in school.
That's OK in my eyes. Lavin recruited high-quality kids for the most part. He also had to fill a lot of scholarships at once, and was trying to turn this into a winning program.
If I fault his recruiting at all, it's for how it fell off at the end, and for the academic risks he took under the circumstances, with guys like ADR and Keith Thomas when we absolutely needed a big man who would be eligible.

But I don't find any fault in the type of kids Lavin recruited. They'll be no different from the kids Mullin goes after.
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I agree. Some of these kids come from dicey background and work out great in college. Look at all the great game Ron Artest played for SJU. He went a bit off the deep end in the NBA, but was nothing but a hard working player for us.
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Arrest was extremely high maintenance with a lot of drama during his time here. If some of the social media available now was available then...
 
Lavin recruited some guys with dicey backgrounds. Mullin won't. Amen I say to you.
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It's not that simple.
I give Lavin a ton of sh*t. Which I think he deserves. But he didn't recruit kids with "dicey" backgrounds.
He recruited potential college athletes. And like it or not, not all of them come from a two parent household in the suburbs and have kept their nose clean for 16+ years.
Some guys come from really unfortunate situations, others have been in a fight, or have struggled in school.
That's OK in my eyes. Lavin recruited high-quality kids for the most part. He also had to fill a lot of scholarships at once, and was trying to turn this into a winning program.
If I fault his recruiting at all, it's for how it fell off at the end, and for the academic risks he took under the circumstances, with guys like ADR and Keith Thomas when we absolutely needed a big man who would be eligible.

But I don't find any fault in the type of kids Lavin recruited. They'll be no different from the kids Mullin goes after.
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I agree. Some of these kids come from dicey background and work out great in college. Look at all the great game Ron Artest played for SJU. He went a bit off the deep end in the NBA, but was nothing but a hard working player for us.
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Arrest was extremely high maintenance with a lot of drama during his time here. If some of the social media available now was available then...
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Freudian?
 
Uggh... To tell you the truth, I don't buy 10% of this sappy stuff about Jordan going back and forth to care for his family. I know he's had some horrible stuff happen to him, seen death of people close to him, some violently, but I don't buy for one second that he was back home caring for younger siblings, as inferred in some posts. Do you think the birthday party he was planning for himself in Philly was with was with party hats and pin the tail on the donkey with his little brothers and sisters? At SJU was he surrounded by his younger sibling all the time who came to see him play? What I recall were reports of some pretty shaky guys he hung around with almost exclusively who came to NY to hang with him.

That's not to give any support to people who wish him badly. I think that many/most of us dealt the same hand of cards in life would not even done as much as he has with them. The odds were against him, and so far, he's failed. Maybe he lacks the inner fortitude of Harrison to persevere in the worst of times, or even to want a college degree. Maybe he lacks the type of grandparents the D'Angelo has who flew to New York to plead his case with Lavin, and likely also get in his face about his behavior.

But all in all, even if Jordan contributed to his own woes here, I just wish him well, hopes he points himself in the right direction, and has a helluva basketball career.
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Thanks Beast for your reflections.
It's difficult to really put oneself in Mr. Jordan's shoes. Tough times, tougher background = not so easy to overcome. Most do not. Some do. I hope RJ is in the latter group.

All the best to this young man and to this apparently even emotionally younger man.
Perhaps we've beaten this topic enough and now each party should go in peace, go their respective separate ways.
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Agree totally with your post. Playing basketball on St Johns you sign up to be family That family value stays not only with each player for yes to come but with the staff and coach If a family member is inn trouble they will always be there for them.They are young men who at times need advise and a helping hand .But a college degree is not for everyone.if a player feels or can not do what is required I am sure CM will wish them the best andST JOHNS WILL DO WHAT THEY CAN to help them. But there are times when you can lead a horse to water but they will not drink
 
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