Joey DelaRosa

[Class of 72]

In the Lavin era we have been reduced to starting threads about walk ons. Such has become the state of recruiting under this regime.

 

[Jack Williams]

In the Lavin era we have been reduced to starting threads about walk ons. Such has become the state of recruiting under this regime.

Well, with our roster, if there was a waterboy over 6'7 on this team I'd start a thread about him

 

[Class of 72]

In the Lavin era we have been reduced to starting threads about walk ons. Such has become the state of recruiting under this regime.

Well, with our roster, if there was a waterboy over 6'7 on this team I'd start a thread about him

Actually we have a walk on from Cali who is 6'7. Lavin does have a unique talent as a recruiting guru. He recruits good walk ons. Unfortunately, they come from places like California and Florida where he loses out on those state's best players. At least he gets to visit friends and soak by a pool.

 

[monte]

In the Lavin era we have been reduced to starting threads about walk ons. Such has become the state of recruiting under this regime.

Well, with our roster, if there was a waterboy over 6'7 on this team I'd start a thread about him

Actually we have a walk on from Cali who is 6'7. Lavin does have a unique talent as a recruiting guru. He recruits good walk ons. Unfortunately, they come from places like California and Florida where he loses out on those state's best players. At least he gets to visit friends and soak by a pool.

...and our state"s best players

 

[Andrew]

Joey could have banged with the massive big man on Gonzaga. Might have kept Obekpa in the game a little longer.

 

[Marillac]

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7 ppg 4 rpg 2 bpg

Is Marillac holding you hostage? :dry:

I know this was in jest, but I don't think this kid will average half those #s. I am just not as ready as everyone else to write a kid's career off so quickly when he has only played 34 games--2/3's of which were for two different head coaches that didn't recruit him AFTER he tried to get released from his LOI and was denied.

There seems to be a constant theme on this board: expect too much from a player as a frosh or soph, write them off completely when they don't meet those expectations, and then praise programs like Creighton and Xavier for having previously unknown juniors and seniors stepping up to replace lost players.

Can you provide an example of one of those Creighton and Xavier players please? And off the tip of your tongue dont start pouring through their stat pages. Leave that to me to blow holes in your theory

You can close your eyes and point at a player on Creighton...Artino,Chatman, Brooks, Zierden (I'm sure there are more, but you've handicapped me with your conditions).

Xavier is tougher off the top of my head...transfers Remy Abel (did not do much at IU) the fat kid from Teen Wolf played relatively well at a lower level and is a star now. Reynolds did nothing as a freshman except one weird game against our awful front court. The backup big Farr.

Then go to teams like Cuse and guys like James Southerland...even Michael Carter-Williams didn't play as a first year player.

Once again, worth repeating, I don't think JDR will be that good, but I wouldn't be all that shocked if he became a decent backup or third string center.

"A decent third-string center." And what exactly is that?

Is it so hard to correctly quote the post you are responding to? I wrote: " a decent backup or third string center." You don't think teams have played a third big man? A Souleymane Wane type of guy that can come in and give 5-10 minutes when need without costing his team the game. I say third string because I believe ADR will be slightly better due to his skill set, but who knows when ADR will start playing.

My bad, Marillac. (And lighten up; I'm not someone who takes digs at you regarding your optimism.) All I meant is that a third-string center rarely contributes to a team's success. It was was positively awful to watch Harrison forced defend the low post at the end of the Gonzaga game, and Joey's presence on defense might have been made a difference. But had he replaced CO, he would have been our second-string center ... third-string centers rarely see any minutes, let alone 5-10. Bottom line: we'll all have I better idea of what he and can and can't do by the end of the month.

Marillac feels every post is an attack and is overly defensive of late. Apologies. Marillac is not even that optimistic, but lately not killing Lavin and St. John's at ever opportunity qualifies one as a traitor that views everything through rose-colored glasses while sipping on a fresh glass of Lavinade. One would think a fan base following a team that has done so poorly the last 15 years would try to he happy with a 4-1 record, votes in two polls, and a close defeat that came down to one possession under 20 seconds to a top 10 undefeated opponent with the #1 RPI in the country.

 

[Moose]

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7 ppg 4 rpg 2 bpg

Is Marillac holding you hostage? :dry:

I know this was in jest, but I don't think this kid will average half those #s. I am just not as ready as everyone else to write a kid's career off so quickly when he has only played 34 games--2/3's of which were for two different head coaches that didn't recruit him AFTER he tried to get released from his LOI and was denied.

There seems to be a constant theme on this board: expect too much from a player as a frosh or soph, write them off completely when they don't meet those expectations, and then praise programs like Creighton and Xavier for having previously unknown juniors and seniors stepping up to replace lost players.

Can you provide an example of one of those Creighton and Xavier players please? And off the tip of your tongue dont start pouring through their stat pages. Leave that to me to blow holes in your theory

You can close your eyes and point at a player on Creighton...Artino,Chatman, Brooks, Zierden (I'm sure there are more, but you've handicapped me with your conditions).

Xavier is tougher off the top of my head...transfers Remy Abel (did not do much at IU) the fat kid from Teen Wolf played relatively well at a lower level and is a star now. Reynolds did nothing as a freshman except one weird game against our awful front court. The backup big Farr.

Then go to teams like Cuse and guys like James Southerland...even Michael Carter-Williams didn't play as a first year player.

Once again, worth repeating, I don't think JDR will be that good, but I wouldn't be all that shocked if he became a decent backup or third string center.

"A decent third-string center." And what exactly is that?

Is it so hard to correctly quote the post you are responding to? I wrote: " a decent backup or third string center." You don't think teams have played a third big man? A Souleymane Wane type of guy that can come in and give 5-10 minutes when need without costing his team the game. I say third string because I believe ADR will be slightly better due to his skill set, but who knows when ADR will start playing.

My bad, Marillac. (And lighten up; I'm not someone who takes digs at you regarding your optimism.) All I meant is that a third-string center rarely contributes to a team's success. It was was positively awful to watch Harrison forced defend the low post at the end of the Gonzaga game, and Joey's presence on defense might have been made a difference. But had he replaced CO, he would have been our second-string center ... third-string centers rarely see any minutes, let alone 5-10. Bottom line: we'll all have I better idea of what he and can and can't do by the end of the month.

Marillac feels every post is an attack and is overly defensive of late. Apologies. Marillac is not even that optimistic, but lately not killing Lavin and St. John's at ever opportunity qualifies one as a traitor that views everything through rose-colored glasses while sipping on a fresh glass of Lavinade. One would think a fan base following a team that has done so poorly the last 15 years would try to he happy with a 4-1 record, votes in two polls, and a close defeat that came down to one possession under 20 seconds to a top 10 undefeated opponent with the #1 RPI in the country.

Moose hates when Marillac refers to himself in the 3rd person.

 

[logen]

All I know is the rumors of st johns fans apathy is certainly overblown when a JDR thread gets up to 4 pages on the site

It is actually a bit sad. We get fired up over even the slightest glimpses of hope...

Hope is all we got... Question is, can he rebound and box out?

No, but he can core a apple (a small tribute to kranmars, one of my favorite posters.)

 

[Marillac]

L

7 ppg 4 rpg 2 bpg

Is Marillac holding you hostage? :dry:

I know this was in jest, but I don't think this kid will average half those #s. I am just not as ready as everyone else to write a kid's career off so quickly when he has only played 34 games--2/3's of which were for two different head coaches that didn't recruit him AFTER he tried to get released from his LOI and was denied.

There seems to be a constant theme on this board: expect too much from a player as a frosh or soph, write them off completely when they don't meet those expectations, and then praise programs like Creighton and Xavier for having previously unknown juniors and seniors stepping up to replace lost players.

Can you provide an example of one of those Creighton and Xavier players please? And off the tip of your tongue dont start pouring through their stat pages. Leave that to me to blow holes in your theory

You can close your eyes and point at a player on Creighton...Artino,Chatman, Brooks, Zierden (I'm sure there are more, but you've handicapped me with your conditions).

Xavier is tougher off the top of my head...transfers Remy Abel (did not do much at IU) the fat kid from Teen Wolf played relatively well at a lower level and is a star now. Reynolds did nothing as a freshman except one weird game against our awful front court. The backup big Farr.

Then go to teams like Cuse and guys like James Southerland...even Michael Carter-Williams didn't play as a first year player.

Once again, worth repeating, I don't think JDR will be that good, but I wouldn't be all that shocked if he became a decent backup or third string center.

"A decent third-string center." And what exactly is that?

Is it so hard to correctly quote the post you are responding to? I wrote: " a decent backup or third string center." You don't think teams have played a third big man? A Souleymane Wane type of guy that can come in and give 5-10 minutes when need without costing his team the game. I say third string because I believe ADR will be slightly better due to his skill set, but who knows when ADR will start playing.

My bad, Marillac. (And lighten up; I'm not someone who takes digs at you regarding your optimism.) All I meant is that a third-string center rarely contributes to a team's success. It was was positively awful to watch Harrison forced defend the low post at the end of the Gonzaga game, and Joey's presence on defense might have been made a difference. But had he replaced CO, he would have been our second-string center ... third-string centers rarely see any minutes, let alone 5-10. Bottom line: we'll all have I better idea of what he and can and can't do by the end of the month.

Marillac feels every post is an attack and is overly defensive of late. Apologies. Marillac is not even that optimistic, but lately not killing Lavin and St. John's at ever opportunity qualifies one as a traitor that views everything through rose-colored glasses while sipping on a fresh glass of Lavinade. One would think a fan base following a team that has done so poorly the last 15 years would try to he happy with a 4-1 record, votes in two polls, and a close defeat that came down to one possession under 20 seconds to a top 10 undefeated opponent with the #1 RPI in the country.

Moose hates when Marillac refers to himself in the 3rd person.

Mean Moose hates everything since returning. Happy with this season Moose will be.

 

[Class of 72]

L

7 ppg 4 rpg 2 bpg

Is Marillac holding you hostage? :dry:

I know this was in jest, but I don't think this kid will average half those #s. I am just not as ready as everyone else to write a kid's career off so quickly when he has only played 34 games--2/3's of which were for two different head coaches that didn't recruit him AFTER he tried to get released from his LOI and was denied.

There seems to be a constant theme on this board: expect too much from a player as a frosh or soph, write them off completely when they don't meet those expectations, and then praise programs like Creighton and Xavier for having previously unknown juniors and seniors stepping up to replace lost players.

Can you provide an example of one of those Creighton and Xavier players please? And off the tip of your tongue dont start pouring through their stat pages. Leave that to me to blow holes in your theory

You can close your eyes and point at a player on Creighton...Artino,Chatman, Brooks, Zierden (I'm sure there are more, but you've handicapped me with your conditions).

Xavier is tougher off the top of my head...transfers Remy Abel (did not do much at IU) the fat kid from Teen Wolf played relatively well at a lower level and is a star now. Reynolds did nothing as a freshman except one weird game against our awful front court. The backup big Farr.

Then go to teams like Cuse and guys like James Southerland...even Michael Carter-Williams didn't play as a first year player.

Once again, worth repeating, I don't think JDR will be that good, but I wouldn't be all that shocked if he became a decent backup or third string center.

"A decent third-string center." And what exactly is that?

Is it so hard to correctly quote the post you are responding to? I wrote: " a decent backup or third string center." You don't think teams have played a third big man? A Souleymane Wane type of guy that can come in and give 5-10 minutes when need without costing his team the game. I say third string because I believe ADR will be slightly better due to his skill set, but who knows when ADR will start playing.

My bad, Marillac. (And lighten up; I'm not someone who takes digs at you regarding your optimism.) All I meant is that a third-string center rarely contributes to a team's success. It was was positively awful to watch Harrison forced defend the low post at the end of the Gonzaga game, and Joey's presence on defense might have been made a difference. But had he replaced CO, he would have been our second-string center ... third-string centers rarely see any minutes, let alone 5-10. Bottom line: we'll all have I better idea of what he and can and can't do by the end of the month.

Marillac feels every post is an attack and is overly defensive of late. Apologies. Marillac is not even that optimistic, but lately not killing Lavin and St. John's at ever opportunity qualifies one as a traitor that views everything through rose-colored glasses while sipping on a fresh glass of Lavinade. One would think a fan base following a team that has done so poorly the last 15 years would try to he happy with a 4-1 record, votes in two polls, and a close defeat that came down to one possession under 20 seconds to a top 10 undefeated opponent with the #1 RPI in the country.

Moose hates when Marillac refers to himself in the 3rd person.

Mean Moose hates everything since returning. Happy with this season Moose will be.

Great to have him back since he is a hardcore fan who even scouted recruits which is more than I can say for most here. Even Dr. Fun has made a welcomed return with his dark humor. Hit is back as well and if only Joe could be resurrected it will be one big disFUNctional family again! Can't wait for the Syracuse game when all our daggers will be sharpened and ready to slice. Not sure if this a rumor but I hear OTIS is hosting a pregame beer bash with complimentary handouts of every available recuit left in this cycle.

 

[ras]

Has anyone heard any thing about ADRs eligibility?

 

[fuchsia]

Rich, do you think there might be more value in a full redshirt year for ADR?... lose some weight and add stamina? If JDR can give five to ten minutes of down low relief to Obekpa, it might be worth it to let ADR sit through til 15/16.

 

[gman]

Rich, do you think there might be more value in a full redshirt year for ADR?... lose some weight and add stamina? If JDR can give five to ten minutes of down low relief to Obekpa, it might be worth it to let ADR sit through til 15/16.

No, we will need any minutes we can out of our big men this year.

 

[Moose]

Rich, do you think there might be more value in a full redshirt year for ADR?... lose some weight and add stamina? If JDR can give five to ten minutes of down low relief to Obekpa, it might be worth it to let ADR sit through til 15/16.

No, we will need any minutes we can out of our big men this year.

Also you get to a point of redshirting when you have depth and balance. We still amazingly don't have that after 5 years. Still playing catch up in that regard.

 

[paultzman]

Rich, do you think there might be more value in a full redshirt year for ADR?... lose some weight and add stamina? If JDR can give five to ten minutes of down low relief to Obekpa, it might be worth it to let ADR sit through til 15/16.

Very reasonable point, but I think you have to play him over Joey if available. He is a work in progress on conditioning level, but can do some things this team can use; pass to cutters & open men, set picks, hit FTs & obviously bang in post. Joey Imo falls short in all those areas compared to Adonis. On a team with such a limited margin of error, getting a little something out of a back up post player a few minutes a game is a plus. Btw, as often said, if Adonis pays the price on conditioning end, by his Junior year he could be a fan favorite & a Stainbrook type producer. "Stain" paid the price. Will Adonis?

 

[usguard]

Rich, do you think there might be more value in a full redshirt year for ADR?... lose some weight and add stamina? If JDR can give five to ten minutes of down low relief to Obekpa, it might be worth it to let ADR sit through til 15/16.

Very reasonable point, but I think you have to play him over Joey if available. He is a work in progress on conditioning level, but can do some things this team can use; pass to cutters & open men, set picks, hit FTs & obviously bang in post. Joey Imo falls short in all those areas compared to Adonis. On a team with such a limited margin of error, getting a little something out of a back up post player a few minutes a game is a plus. Btw, as often said, if Adonis pays the price on conditioning end, by his Junior year he could be a fan favorite & a Stainbrook type producer. "Stain" paid the price. Will Adonis?

So why did we take Joey? Was it because we had to to get a project player like his brother??

 

[paultzman]

Rich, do you think there might be more value in a full redshirt year for ADR?... lose some weight and add stamina? If JDR can give five to ten minutes of down low relief to Obekpa, it might be worth it to let ADR sit through til 15/16.

Very reasonable point, but I think you have to play him over Joey if available. He is a work in progress on conditioning level, but can do some things this team can use; pass to cutters & open men, set picks, hit FTs & obviously bang in post. Joey Imo falls short in all those areas compared to Adonis. On a team with such a limited margin of error, getting a little something out of a back up post player a few minutes a game is a plus. Btw, as often said, if Adonis pays the price on conditioning end, by his Junior year he could be a fan favorite & a Stainbrook type producer. "Stain" paid the price. Will Adonis?

So why did we take Joey? Was it because we had to to get a project player like his brother??

Perhaps to entice Adonis. See Felix/Chris, Marco/Sanchez, Max / JaKarr. Lav seems to like this approach.

 

[Jack Williams]

Speaking of ADR has anyone seen cam Ridley on Texas this year? The dude is a junior now and he looks so fit. And mind you he was ADR size his freshmen year, might've been even bigger. Now you can't even tell he was so big, he looks great.

Like ADR, he was all about eating unhealthy crap all day. His story is that his mom monitored over him and got him to stop eating that crap over the off season and he worked out daily. Hopefully ADR can get that kind of help.

 

[Moose]

Rich, do you think there might be more value in a full redshirt year for ADR?... lose some weight and add stamina? If JDR can give five to ten minutes of down low relief to Obekpa, it might be worth it to let ADR sit through til 15/16.

Very reasonable point, but I think you have to play him over Joey if available. He is a work in progress on conditioning level, but can do some things this team can use; pass to cutters & open men, set picks, hit FTs & obviously bang in post. Joey Imo falls short in all those areas compared to Adonis. On a team with such a limited margin of error, getting a little something out of a back up post player a few minutes a game is a plus. Btw, as often said, if Adonis pays the price on conditioning end, by his Junior year he could be a fan favorite & a Stainbrook type producer. "Stain" paid the price. Will Adonis?

So why did we take Joey? Was it because we had to to get a project player like his brother??

He's a walkon for like half a year. Not like we turned away others in his place.

 

[ras]

Rich, do you think there might be more value in a full redshirt year for ADR?... lose some weight and add stamina? If JDR can give five to ten minutes of down low relief to Obekpa, it might be worth it to let ADR sit through til 15/16.

No, we re just too thin up front and Jones and Amar havnt shown anything, or Lavin has no confidence in them.