Jenkins & Dingle or Posh & Addae-Wusu

Beasts of the East said:
I sort of feel for him because he appears to be a guy who needs a lot of shots to get his rhythm and heat up. Wouldn't be shocked if he scores 12 points in two or three mins but difficult to happen on this team. He can IMO be an efficient 17-18 ppg scorer at this level. Prob not here tho.
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I didn't see him at Penn but he seems a lot more comfortable when he has the ball and can create for himself. He's talented, it's logical Penn would clear out for him often and let him do his own thing. But I don't know, that's a guess. At SJU that situation doesn't make sense a lot of times. I like seeing him on the floor anytime Jenkins is not (this is not a shot at Daniss) especially if Zuby is also in as those are good times to just let him do his thing and offense needs to come from someone.

He really does not move well without the ball, and that is limiting his production at SJU.
 
I posted before the season started that a knowledgeable buddy of mine raved about Dingle’s ability to create for himself. I talked to him a week or so ago and he thought Dingle just looks to him to be very “in between” as to whether to go or not and when he does go, appears tentative to pull the trigger; described him as “thinking” not playing, which on the court is the classic “paralysis by analysis”.
 
logen said:
I posted before the season started that a knowledgeable buddy of mine raved about Dingle’s ability to create for himself. I talked to him a week or so ago and he thought Dingle just looks to him to be very “in between” as to whether to go or not and when he does go, appears tentative to pull the trigger; described him as “thinking” not playing, which on the court is the classic “paralysis by analysis”.
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Also, I am sure it is different to go from the main point of the offense, to being one of the points of offense.

I am sure if he missed his first five shots last year, he would still be in there attempting his fifth.

He is becoming a better player and finding a niche. The kid has smarts obviously. He will get there and be a valuable piece to this season.
 
kranmars said:
Also, I am sure it is different to go from the main point of the offense, to being one of the points of offense.

I am sure if he missed his first five shots last year, he would still be in there attempting his fifth.

He is becoming a better player and finding a niche. The kid has smarts obviously. He will get there and be a valuable piece to this season.
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Not sure about the rest of the season but certainly agree about the changing of the role being a very difficult adjustment.
 
Posh and Dylan each leading their team in scoring at the half in their matchup.
 
Amaseinyourface said:
Here is a look at how Daniss matches up numbers wise with the rest of the starting PG's in the BE. Personally, I think we could be in a much worse spot than we are with Jenkins as our lead guard. Not perfect, but capable.

Near Top of the Pack: Assists & Steals
Middle of the Pack: Points, Rebs, TO & FT%
Near Bottom of the Pack: FG% & 3pt%
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Update with BE numbers.

2nd in FG%, 2pt%, & 3pt%
3rd in points & ft%
4th in assists
5th in steals
6th in rebs
 

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This thread reminds me of the Ponds vs. Posh thread during Posh's freshman year...

Though both players have their flaws, and Dingle has disappeared at times, the Jenkins-Dingle backcourt is much better.
 
Amaseinyourface said:
Update with BE numbers.

2nd in FG%, 2pt%, & 3pt%
3rd in points & ft%
4th in assists
5th in steals
6th in rebs
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.... and 1st in FG attempts with 363 (!) followed (I think) by Kadary Richmond at 337, Tristan Newton at 313, and Tyler Kolek at 307.

Also 1st on SJU by 100+ in FGA.
 
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lawmanfan said:
.... and 1st in FT attempts with 363 (!) followed (I think) by Kadary Richmond at 337, Tristan Newton at 313, and Tyler Kolek at 307.

Also 1st on SJU by 100+ in FGA.
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Can’t tell if you’re confused or working an angle here
 
Amaseinyourface said:
Can’t tell if you’re confused or working an angle here
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Possibly confused - I assumed the stats were Jenkins, if so I thought FGA helped add context.

I was looking at stats for him vs. Posh WRT the Butler game (posted a comparison there without commentary, figured it would be interesting to see what people thought) and the discrepancy in FGA between those 2 jumped out at me (Jenkins has about 100 more points than Posh on the season but has also taken (literally) 100 more shots).

So then I decided to take at look at FGA for the other PGs in the league to see how they compared. I figured Jenkins would be comparable to Richmond given Richmond's usage, but that Posh would be more comparable to Kolek and Newton in FGA given the better talent/shooters around them.

Richmond was about where I expected him to be in relation to Jenkins; Kolek and Newton were a little higher than I expected, I figured after looking at Jenkins and Posh they would come in around 290.

After that it occurred to me to see how the FGA numbers for the PGs stacked up against the FGA numbers for their teams - Posh is (I think) 4th on Butler; Newton is 1st on UConn with Spencer and Karaban both about 25 shots behind him; Kolek is 2nd (basically tied for first) on Marquette with Igodaro and Joplin about 50 behind him. Jenkins is 1st on SJU and about 100 FGA against whoever is in second.

Anyway after looking at all of that I remembered that there was a post here with what I thought was Jenkins vs the other BE PGs and figured I would add the context of FGA because I thought it provided some worthwhile context and the distribution among PGs was interesting. At the time I decided there weren't any other PGs worth looking at (who cares about Depaul and Georgetown, Xavier is sort of a 3-headed monster at guard, Armstrong is technically a PG but not a real starter, I don't know what to do with Devin Carter - in retrospect I should have included Ashworth (duh)).

So, no agenda - just poked around in some stats, thought they were interesting, and figured I would add them to your post for anyone else who thought they were interesting.

Overall I think they probably reinforce any point that anyone wants to make about Jenkins. You could say that he's 100 shots ahead of everyone else on the team because he is more essential to the offense than anyone else and that we would be lost without him - and point to Kadary Richmond as a player with a similar role who has similar numbers. Or you could say that no PG in the league, no matter how good they are, has more than 100 FGAs more than the next guy on the team and that's evidence that Jenkins should distribute the ball more (of course that would assume other players would then convert on those shots).

Ultimately I think agree with your point, which is that we could do worse than Jenkins at PG, but that there is room for improvement (which IMO becomes clearer when you add FGA into the equation).

Anyway, I thought the numbers were interesting. Probably needs a longer analysis and post (including Ashworth and anyone else I forgot) but since I'm back from vacation now I don't know that I have the time to do it.

[Edited to change FTA to FGA, h/t Mase]
 
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lawmanfan said:
Possibly confused - I assumed the stats were Jenkins, if so I thought FTA helped add context.

I was looking at stats for him vs. Posh WRT the Butler game (posted a comparison there without commentary, figured it would be interesting to see what people thought) and the discrepancy in FTA between those 2 jumped out at me (Jenkins has about 100 more points than Posh on the season but has also taken (literally) 100 more shots).

So then I decided to take at look at FTA for the other PGs in the league to see how they compared. I figured Jenkins would be comparable to Richmond given Richmond's usage, but that Posh would be more comparable to Kolek and Newton in FTA given the better talent/shooters around them.

Richmond was about where I expected him to be in relation to Jenkins; Kolek and Newton were a little higher than I expected, I figured after looking at Jenkins and Posh they would come in around 290.

After that it occurred to me to see how the FTA numbers for the PGs stacked up against the FTA numbers for their teams - Posh is (I think) 4th on Butler; Newton is 1st on UConn with Spencer and Karaban both about 25 shots behind him; Kolek is 2nd (basically tied for first) on Marquette with Igodaro and Joplin about 50 behind him. Jenkins is 1st on SJU and about 100 FTA against whoever is in second.

Anyway after looking at all of that I remembered that there was a post here with what I thought was Jenkins vs the other BE PGs and figured I would add the context of FTA because I thought it provided some worthwhile context and the distribution among PGs was interesting. At the time I decided there weren't any other PGs worth looking at (who cares about Depaul and Georgetown, Xavier is sort of a 3-headed monster at guard, Armstrong is technically a PG but not a real starter, I don't know what to do with Devin Carter - in retrospect I should have included Ashworth (duh)).
So, no agenda - just poked around in some stats, thought they were interesting, and figured I would add them to your post for anyone else who thought they were interesting.

Overall I think they probably reinforce any point that anyone wants to make about Jenkins. You could say that he's 100 shots ahead of everyone else on the team because he is more essential to the offense than anyone else and that we would be lost without him - and point to Kadary Richmond as a player with a similar role who has similar numbers. Or you could say that no PG in the league, no matter how good they are, has more than 100 FTAs more than the next guy on the team and that's evidence that Jenkins should distribute the ball more (of course that would assume other players would then convert on those shots).

Ultimately I think agree with your point, which is that we could do worse than Jenkins at PG, but that there is room for improvement (which IMO becomes clearer when you add FTA into the equation).

Anyway, I thought the numbers were interesting. Probably needs a longer analysis and post (including Ashworth and anyone else I forgot) but since I'm back from vacation now I don't know that I have the time to do it.
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I was just wondering where you are getting the FTA numbers. Jenkins has 52 on the year.
 
Amaseinyourface said:
I was just wondering where you are getting the FTA numbers. Jenkins has 52 on the year.
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My bad - it should be FGA. I made the same typo on the other post and then fixed it; clearly didn't do that here. My brain is fried from a week in the sun, I guess - thanks for spotting and correcting it
 
monte said:
Let's put aside stats for a moment. IMO this team is the smartest and highest character team that we've had here in a very long time. And that's a testiment to the HC and the staff that assembled this team. I don't care one iota about the kids who left. I'll take this group of kids, hands down, over any of our recent teams. The phrase "easy to root for" has been tossed around here more loosely and more often then Luis's draft prospects, but let me tell you all something, I can't recall the last time we had a team as easy to root for as this one.

Now, can we please look forward instead of constantly looking back?
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My neck surgeon friend “Dr Crane” told me Redmen site referrals lead the USA in neck replacements caused by “coulda, woulda syndrome” and “whatifitis neck muscle deterioration”
 
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Ok the words of posh and WSU should be banned now. Its february 27th, these guys have no been on our team in almost a YEAR. Nobody care, I wish them well, but get over it already! Im tired of hearing about any former players, outside of them doing well at their respective colleges.
 
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