Isaiah Whitehead, SG (Seton Hall verbal)

And you need to stop taking being a crazy sports fan and mistaking it for being a real nut job in real life. There is life and then there are sports. You are allowed to get crazy about sports. Ever watch the NFL draft? Are they nut jobs too or just crazed fans? You have to separate sports and one's normal life then you will see the difference. There is no hole in my wall over this...it was just an insane roller coaster ride so why were you expecting a calm board during it? Your expectations based on the situations are strange.
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I honestly feel you should leave the board. We are all fans here however we don't act like a nut job like you do. Your negativity is a cancer to this board. Logical thinking would suggest that our scoring will be better this year because we added a top 20 point guard, a Juco AA and a lights out 3 point shooter. Yet you act like you don't know how our scoring will improve from last year. Oh wait, the way it would've would be if we got Isaiah even though he wouldn't even play this flippin year for us. Do you not realize how asinine your thinking is? I really feel like you want attention, whether it be negative or positive attention. Always playing the victim. It's ok to get pissed when your team loses... you take it to a crazy person level though. Anyway its a waste of energy because you'll never look at your issues. If out of 100 people, 98 think you have issues... there's a good chance you do. Think about it like that.
 
I would love to see you go to a Duke game and call the Cameron Crazies "nut jobs". I am just an SJU equivalent. Why do you guys try to make it so formal on here? It's a forum about college basketball. This is supposed to be an escape from life, not serious business. That's why I think we have different views. I put stuff out there assuming others won't take it too seriously or harp on it. I'll admit I post with emotion much more than others, but that's also how 99% of forums are online especially sports ones with big fans.

You want to bring up logic? Ok. Whitehead's recruitment was an absolute crazy roller coaster ride. Thus, reactions to it will be similar. If recruiting is consistent and calm, the reaction generally will be calm as well. That's logic. Being pissed when another team got sneaky and dirty on us after thinking we had him is 100% normal. I'm over it though because it turned out to be even shadier than I thought and we should stay away from that. If your expectation is for every poster to be 100% even-keeled and non-reactionary then you clearly are new to forums. And I'm really not trying to get the last word in, but I'm done with this talk. All I'm saying is I'm worried our offense won't improve enough. I think that's a valid worry based on how awful we were last year. No excuses this year (even though I know some of you have endless excuses why we can't have our expectations too high) i.e. youth, injury, Lavin had cancer a few yrs ago, and whatever this year's theme is.
 
If having issues was grounds for removal, this board would have half as many members as it does now. Im not a moderator but to me the golden rules are keep the conversation St. John's basketball related(in this section at least) and dont attack anyone personally. Joe doesn't do that.


As far as IW, lets not call the kettle black. There are already rumors Lavin tried to get Tiny a different job. And if our staff had any wiggle room at all, I don't think it's out of the question we would've brought him on to the staff. We play the games just like everyone else. We just couldn't guarantee the playing time and focal point status that the Hall could.

The first few classes were easier for Lavin because he could offer tons of playing time. Now things get a little more difficult. That's why I think his most impressive recruiting job so far was Rhysheed. He convinced him to join Harrison Branch and Phil. Not everybody will be willing to do that. Jermaine Lawrence for one didn't want to join a team with Jakarr Dom and co. But this is a problem good programs have ... The big difference is we haven't won enough yet to entice really good players to wait their turn. Syracuse Duke and other programs regularly convince top 50 guys to come and sit for a year. We need to win a little more before that's going to become the norm at SJU.
 
I would love to see you go to a Duke game and call the Cameron Crazies "nut jobs". I am just an SJU equivalent. Why do you guys try to make it so formal on here? It's a forum about college basketball. This is supposed to be an escape from life, not serious business. That's why I think we have different views. I put stuff out there assuming others won't take it too seriously or harp on it. I'll admit I post with emotion much more than others, but that's also how 99% of forums are online especially sports ones with big fans.

You want to bring up logic? Ok. Whitehead's recruitment was an absolute crazy roller coaster ride. Thus, reactions to it will be similar. If recruiting is consistent and calm, the reaction generally will be calm as well. That's logic. Being pissed when another team got sneaky and dirty on us after thinking we had him is 100% normal. I'm over it though because it turned out to be even shadier than I thought and we should stay away from that. If your expectation is for every poster to be 100% even-keeled and non-reactionary then you clearly are new to forums. And I'm really not trying to get the last word in, but I'm done with this talk. All I'm saying is I'm worried our offense won't improve enough. I think that's a valid worry based on how awful we were last year. No excuses this year (even though I know some of you have endless excuses why we can't have our expectations too high) i.e. youth, injury, Lavin had cancer a few yrs ago, and whatever this year's theme is.
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Can you give your closing argument and call it a thread? Maybe we would like to read other posters' posts. I get so mad at you because I have to read your drivel every third post on my iphone. It's not easy.
 
So I'm not allowed to question our offense because the season didn't start yet. Apparently the season not starting yet somehow alleviates that. If you aren't worried about our offense you weren't watching last year. We couldn't shoot FT's we could not buy a 3 with Bill Gates money, and we depended on running the shot clock down to 5 seconds, chucking and praying. We were among the worst offenses in major college hoops.

You guys talk about the future all the time with no qualms, but when your favorite poster asks, it all of a sudden becomes "Oh my god! There he goes again! What a douchebag!". How about just giving a normal response for a change? For Christ's sake, if you can't reply without insulting then don't reply at all. My point is very much relevant. Our offense is essentially what is getting us #6 and #7 rankings in some previews. We are like the Jets...plenty of defense but zero offense.
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Please be patient with those posters. They're not used to having someone so frakking stupid around.

Just continue questioning an offense you haven't seen with players you haven't seen being coached by a new coach you don't know. Oh and make sure you do it at least a week before they even start practicing. What a maroon.

Oh and please do it on the Whitehead thread cause that makes perfect freaking sense.
 
D'Angelo must have been the happiest guy in Queens yesterday.
I hope he spends the next 2 years making us for forget about Whitehead.
 
Though I would have liked IW to commit to SJU, I have no problem with what SHU did to land him. It is legal and they (SHU) need to get better. IW should make them a lot better. I think it bodes well for SJU and the Big East for teams like SHU to improve. Other coaches (some highly respected) from around the country have hired people in order to land recruits. I am glad SJU was not in the position of having to do what SHU did-since from all I have heard/read, Tiny is not the kind of person I would want on the SJU staff-my apologies to Tiny if his rep has been besmirched unfairly.
I am high on this years team, and if it attains what many here think it can, we will have no trouble landing top classes in the future. Players want to be on a team with a good chance to Dance and then some-when we demonstrate we are in that class, the rest will take care of itself.
 
Though I would have liked IW to commit to SJU, I have no problem with what SHU did to land him. It is legal and they (SHU) need to get better. IW should make them a lot better. I think it bodes well for SJU and the Big East for teams like SHU to improve. Other coaches (some highly respected) from around the country have hired people in order to land recruits. I am glad SJU was not in the position of having to do what SHU did-since from all I have heard/read, Tiny is not the kind of person I would want on the SJU staff-my apologies to Tiny if his rep has been besmirched unfairly.
I am high on this years team, and if it attains what many here think it can, we will have no trouble landing top classes in the future. Players want to be on a team with a good chance to Dance and then some-when we demonstrate we are in that class, the rest will take care of itself.
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IMO where Tiny crossed the line was when he asked Lavin why he didn't have a position for him. It comes off as passive-aggressive and entitled. Keep in mind that although legal (stupidly so), he pimped out his own player. Without the position at SHU he would not be headed there. Take the Tiny situation out of it and IW is headed to SJU. He literally is walking over a kid's back to get to a job for himself. It's pathetic. Just because others do it doesn't make it right.
 
It was a meeting in the family apartment of high school hoops star Isaiah Whitehead in the initial days of the summer recruiting period, where Kevin Willard decided to push everything to the center of the table. Whitehead, a 6-foot-4 shooting guard from famed Lincoln High School in Brooklyn, was one of the top unsigned players in the 2014 class and Seton Hall needed a star at the top of its list.

Seton Hall pitched its family atmosphere, its improving facilities and the Big East Conference's new national television deal. It was making an impact, but it didn't feel like enough. Willard then pulled an ace.

He offered one of the vacancies on his staff to Whitehead's high school coach, Dwayne "Tiny" Morton to show just how serious he was. According to two people familiar with the contents of that meeting who asked remain anonymous because they don't speak on the interests of Whitehead, Morton or Seton Hall — that was a major selling point. Whitehead's mother, Ericka Rambert had heard all she needed to.


http://www.nj.com/setonhall/index.s...ehead_seton_hall_recruiting.html#incart_river
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If that's all true, then why all the histrionics yesterday? Doesn't seem necessary... I'm still scratching my head about yesterday.
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Tried to see if SJU would up the ante for Tiny.
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That's my guess. Or just match what Seton Hall was offering because if they were offering that from the beginning then why not just take the offer immediately instead of dragging us back in it this late in the game
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Yeah, that makes sense -
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I don't know because I wasn't there but I am pretty sure that version of the recruitment is revisionist history at its finest.
 
Having read all the orhestrations that have transpired, between IW/Mom/Morton and SH, I wonder how we were lured back in or whether we re-engaged...and whether we intentionally or unitentionally were used...

Some aspects don't make sense..why ask SJ to jump back in if you weren't serious? Did he just realize that he wasn't going to be "the face" of the program? If the idea of a job for Morton was floated in early summer, why waste time with us?

Only thing I can think of is Morton's job preference was SJ and he used the kid to see if he could get SJ to offer a job. He probably reached out to SHU because he knew they were desperate and would be open to offering him an opportunity.

I know he has had success at Lincoln but not sure what he will add to SHU beyond IW (and that might only be for a year).
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I personally don't think it was decided in the summer.

And there's no question Lavin was intentionally used.
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Bingo
 
So now I'm a troll and compared to an animal that someone wants killed. Here's the thing: I move on and talk SJ hoops, and hours later we still have other posters who have it out for me not allowing me to live anything down and throwing more jabs in there. All you do is continue the cycle. Really beginning to wonder if it's even worth it to try and stick around because I have what seems like hundreds of people who would love nothing more than to see me banned and maybe 1 person who sees through the BS and realizes I have good intentions. You guys really are some of the mostt you call "moving on" is frankly, n ruthless people I've ever encountered even if it's online save for 1 or 2 of you. I mean that with 100% honesty. Now go ahead and whine about how I don't let things go even though I'm the one who moved on and others brought it back to attacking me.
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Joe, relax, just relax. No one has it in for you and what you call "moving on" is frankly, nonsensical drivel at this time. If you really wanted to discuss our "offense" then why post it on the Whitehead thread? You wanted to vent, plain and simple and that's okay, except you ALWAYS want to vent and that becomes very, very tedious. I don't think many want you to quit the board AGAIN but I think everyone would like you to relax and think a little before you post. IM Kranmars and get some Ralph Kramden relaxation methods and try them, take up yoga, get a dog, do something.,
 
I remember someone said that Lavin said something like "We won't get you a job, because we have some class in our organization" to Tiny when he asked Lav why they wouldn't offer him a position. Does anyone have the source for that? Was it an article or through word of mouth?
 
Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling!

Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes...

The dead rising from the grave!

Human sacrifice...dogs and cats living together...mass hysteria!
 
After a night of processing, I am at the place where I can wish Whitehead good luck in college.

But I can also say that Seton Hall has becone Rutgers to me. I want SJU to kick the living snot out of them each and every time.
 
As far as IW, lets not call the kettle black. There are already rumors Lavin tried to get Tiny a different job. And if our staff had any wiggle room at all, I don't think it's out of the question we would've brought him on to the staff. We play the games just like everyone else. We just couldn't guarantee the playing time and focal point status that the Hall could.
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Thank you. I have no idea what SHU actually did and did not do in this recruitment, and I have no idea what SJU actually did and did not do. It appears that this one became more involved than most, especially if SHU brings Morton aboard.

But even if that turns out to be the case accusing the school who gets the recruit of playing dirty is just a bad look, not to mention cliche. It's the default for the losing fan base(s) in every recruitment, especially when it's close until the end. We've won our fair share of those in the last 18 months and have lost some as well. SHU won this one, hats off to them and best of luck to IW.
 
After a night of processing, I am at the place where I can wish Whitehead good luck in college.

But I can also say that Seton Hall has becone Rutgers to me. I want SJU to kick the living snot out of them each and every time.
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I feel 'ya! Although, I was cool after I knew he was gonna go to Seton Hall.

I also told a poster last night that I hope we kick the Hall's arse for the remainder of Willard's tenure (which, will probably end there in 3 years or less).
 
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